[Bug 15559] New: winealsa vs. kotor regression: scratchiness/stutter

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15559

           Summary: winealsa vs. kotor regression: scratchiness/stutter
           Product: Wine
           Version: 1.1.5
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P2
         Component: winmm&mci
        AssignedTo: wine-bugs(a)winehq.org
        ReportedBy: knan-wine(a)anduin.net
                CC: m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com


717df5b2972b3cb998ca5a43279ae2283b117eaa
winealsa.drv: Don't hang on last few bytes not played.

... in current git causes a regression for me in Knights of the Old Republic.
Music is stuttery, sounds like it plays old/uninitialized data for small
fractions of a second.

Reverting it makes sound return to normal.

Doesn't happen in Medieval Total War 2, so seems to be a winmm/waveout-specific
regression, dsound unaffected.

Nothing triggers in a warn+wave trace.


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--- Comment #1 from Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-09 16:09:18 ---
A +wave trace would be helpful


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--- Comment #2 from knan-wine(a)anduin.net  2008-10-09 16:41:44 ---
Created an attachment (id=16561)
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+wave trace


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--- Comment #3 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com>  2008-10-17 02:11:40 ---
*** Bug 15645 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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--- Comment #4 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-17 03:00:39 ---
*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***


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--- Comment #5 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-17 03:03:13 ---
I've also done regression testing and got this:

717df5b2972b3cb998ca5a43279ae2283b117eaa is first bad commit
commit 717df5b2972b3cb998ca5a43279ae2283b117eaa
Author: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten(a)codeweavers.com>
Date:   Sat Oct 4 12:04:12 2008 +0200

    winealsa.drv: Don't hang on last few bytes not played.

    Fixes winmm:wave test hanging.

:040000 040000 b58669103ba3743ad67dd567c2ee9dd5d591c529
566930ff46efb40c90159380051d9d90682b298a M      dlls


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--- Comment #6 from Ray Rees <rayrees(a)ameritech.net>  2008-10-18 22:31:24 ---
I wonder if this is related to a no sound issue I have with Quake 2.  With Wine
1.1.6 the PCM channel mutes immediately after I launch the game.  The PCM
channel stays muted until I use the mixer to unmute.  I must use OSS with Wine
for my audio to work.  This muting issue does not occur with Wine 1.1.5.


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--- Comment #7 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-19 03:11:55 ---
Why can't you use Alsa? It works much better than OSS for me. Do you have the
latest version (of Alsa)?

Why don't you run a regression test? http://wiki.winehq.org/RegressionTesting


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--- Comment #8 from Ray Rees <rayrees(a)ameritech.net>  2008-10-19 17:33:37 ---
(In reply to comment #7)
> Why can't you use Alsa? It works much better than OSS for me. Do you have the
> latest version (of Alsa)?

[RR] ALSA does not work with Wine at all. I must use OSS.  I would prefer using
ALSA although.  For Ubuntu, the functioning ALSA audio HW driver is Aureal
Vortex au8820 (alsa mixer).  For Wine, I must select the OSS Sigmatel STAC9704
(OSS mixer).

Not sure if Ubuntu Hardy (the distro I'm using) is using the latest ALSA.
> Why don't you run a regression test? http://wiki.winehq.org/RegressionTesting

[RR] Thanks for the link, but I don't have the time to do that now; I know it
will help the Wine community.  I also know when I remove 1.1.6 and replace w/
1.1.5 Quake 2 does not mute the PCM channel.  However, I do experience
occasional game stuttering that coincides with the audio.  :(


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--- Comment #9 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-20 15:58:37 ---
Just wanted to tell you I've contacted the author of that commit and he's aware
of the bug.


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--- Comment #10 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-20 16:53:39 ---
I was aware of the bug, but I should have responded sooner here, my bad.


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--- Comment #11 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-21 08:03:40 ---
Created an attachment (id=16771)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=16771)
Patch that might fix playback issues

Does this patch fix the issues?


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--- Comment #12 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-21 11:00:08 ---
(In reply to comment #11)
> Created an attachment (id=16771)
>  --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=16771) [details]
> Patch that might fix playback issues
>
> Does this patch fix the issues?

The sound _seems_ to hang not so often, but still does hang. So it's not fixed
yet.


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--- Comment #13 from knan-wine(a)anduin.net  2008-10-22 13:48:15 ---
Tested. No apparent improvement.


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--- Comment #14 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-24 06:07:17 ---
Just wanted to add - since no one mentioned it before - that this bug affects
almost all games and programs using Alsa, not only KOTOR. So it would be nice
to change the title of the bug.


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--- Comment #15 from Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-24 10:35:47 ---
*** Bug 15735 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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--- Comment #16 from knan-wine(a)anduin.net  2008-10-24 12:04:49 ---
It doesn't affect everything in my case. Affects Stalker, Kotor and Silent
Hunter III, does not affect MTW2 or UFO:Afterlight. Changed title.


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--- Comment #17 from tyle7(a)hotmail.com  2008-10-27 16:37:33 ---
I get the same symptoms as in wine (stuttering sound) when i run virtualbox OSE
2.0.4 with "host audio driver" set to alsa. Switching audio driver to OSS works
there as well.

It seems like this is not a problem only for wine.

This is on Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic, alsa-base 1.0.17.dfsg-2ubuntu1


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--- Comment #18 from volker.groeschel(a)sap.com  2008-10-28 04:24:10 ---
There is an interesting finding in duplicate bug
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15735

"I run alsa sound through pulseaudio with the default settings in ubuntu
intrepid.

Pulse 0.9.10 is from Ubuntu Intrepid and 0.9.13 is from Luke Yelavich's PPA at
http://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive

Distribution: Ubuntu Intrepid
Platform: AMD64
PA 0.9.10 default sample type: s16le 2ch 44100Hz

Wine    Pulse   Result
1.1.5   0.9.10  Fine
1.1.5   0.9.13  Cracks
1.1.6   0.9.10  Cracks
1.1.6   0.9.13  Cracks"


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--- Comment #19 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-10-28 13:53:37 ---
The PulseAudio is causing the problems, not Alsa!

I've stumbled upon this site
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/280534/ where you
can clearly see people are experiencing sound problems in many applications,
not only Wine. This particular comment -
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/280534/comments/2... -
gave me some hints what to do. I've terminated/killed PulseAudio
(/usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --log-target=syslog). Then I tested games on Steam with
OSS and with Alsa - no crackling, no stuttering :-)

The only thing you have to remember is only one application can play sound at
any given time. Especially, you have to disable sound driver in Winecfg before
you launch Steam, then enable sound after it loads and play any game.

Wine 1.1.7, Ubuntu 8.10, Metacity, Alsa 1.0.17, PulseAudio 0.9.10. Tested with
Team Fortress 2 and Everyday Shooter.

BTW I thought PulseAudio would be fixed in Ubuntu 8.10 :-/


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--- Comment #20 from Dennis Fagan <dfagan1(a)pride.hofstra.edu>  2008-10-29 01:59:04 ---
I am also currently experiencing this issue with ubuntu 8.04, using ALSA
without the presence of pulseaudio.

The only time crackling happens tho, is when Directsound's hardware
acceleration is set to Emulation, if it is set to anything else, other audio
quirks happen.


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--- Comment #21 from Florian Friedrich <friedrich(a)hooster.de>  2008-11-01 02:42:55 ---
Same problem here with Lord of the Rings Online under Ubuntu 8.10.

Wine 1.1.4 -> Works
Wine 1.1.7 -> Cracks
Wine 1.1.7 with the patch removed -> Works

By the way, I have found, that the line, which causes the sound to crack is the
line 293 in dlls/winealsa.drv/waveout.c
which is:

wwo->dwPlayedTotal += lpWaveHdr->reserved - wwo->dwPlayedTotal;

Is this really right? Because this is just a harder way to write:

wwo->dwPlayedTotal = lpWaveHdr->reserved;


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--- Comment #22 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-01 06:42:15 ---
Friedrich, I had attached a patch earlier, does this fix the crackling for you?


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--- Comment #23 from Florian Friedrich <friedrich(a)hooster.de>  2008-11-01 08:41:30 ---
Ok, I have tested the patch. It does NOT fix the bug. 
For now, only removing the above mentioned line of code fixed the bug for me.


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--- Comment #24 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-19 17:16:43 ---
I have also tested the patch for the related bug 16015. It does not work their
either :(.


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--- Comment #25 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-20 02:02:39 ---
Alright, I have tracked down the Cepstral SwiftTalker hang and the fix is to
revert the patch :)! Only the lines:
-    if (state == SND_PCM_STATE_XRUN)
-        snd_pcm_start(wwo->pcm);
seem to affect the fix; I can keep the others and this will work.

Tracking invalid states as well, I get the following with WINEDEBUG=+wave

trace:wave:wodPlayer_NotifyCompletions still playing 0x6fadf0 (28672/27146)
trace:wave:wodPlayer waiting 21ms (21,34)
warn:wave:wodUpdatePlayedTotal Unexpected state (4) while updating Total
Played, resetting
trace:wave:wodNotifyClient wMsg = 0x03bd dwParm1 = 6FADF0 dwParam2 = 0000
trace:wave:wodPlayer_NotifyCompletions Empty queue
trace:wave:wodPlayer waiting 21ms (21,4294967295)
warn:wave:wodUpdatePlayedTotal Unexpected state (4) while updating Total
Played, resetting
...
trace:wave:ALSA_wodMessage (0, WODM_UNPREPARE, 7EC34B1B, 006F8D90, 00000020);
trace:wave:ALSA_wodMessage (0, WODM_CLOSE, 7EC34B1B, 00000000, 00000000);

The interesting thing here is that I get about 3-4 NotifyCompletion Empty
queue, waiting 21ms, unexpected state (4) cycles before getting the first
WODM_UNPREPARE (I get 4 of these) and the WODM_CLOSE.

Also of interest here is the wodNotifyClient sending a WOM_DONE (0x03bd)
message before that sequence.

The final key thing of interest is that if I use WINEDEBUG=alsa or
WINEDEBUG=wave (even redirecting stderr to a file), the application does not
hang.

Putting all of this together, I believe that this fix for the winmm:wave tests
is invalid. The test - in response to a wodNotifyClient(wMsg = WODM_CLOSE)
should send the WODM_CLOSE and possibly the WODM_UNPREPARE messages (before the
WODM_CLOSE) to tell the wave audio handler "I'm done!".

So here, state 4 *is* a valid state for wodUpdatePlayedTotal, but only between
sending a WODM_CLOSE notification and receiving a WODM_CLOSE message.

I don't know if this solves the stuttering sound issue or how to go about
correcting the winmm:wave tests, though.


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--- Comment #26 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-20 14:37:05 ---
So obviously, reverting the patch has fixed stuttering audio on games (tested
with Azguard Defence by Oberon Media) :).


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--- Comment #27 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-24 16:18:15 ---
*** Bug 16015 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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--- Comment #28 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-24 16:21:04 ---
The patch to fix this is now in the git source tree. Could you verify that the
fix works and then close the bug.


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--- Comment #29 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-24 17:17:39 ---
It doesn't work for me, sound crackles a lot. But I messed up with PulseAudio
lately, so maybe it's just me. 


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--- Comment #30 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-24 17:22:49 ---
(In reply to comment #29)
> It doesn't work for me, sound crackles a lot. But I messed up with PulseAudio
> lately, so maybe it's just me.

Are you using the latest git (not wine 1.1.9, as the fix missed that release)?

Also, what version of PulseAudio are you using and what did you do to mess it
up? This would help when setting up a configuration that can reproduce the
issue.


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--- Comment #31 from Florian Friedrich <friedrich(a)hooster.de>  2008-11-25 03:42:21 ---
(In reply to comment #28)
> The patch to fix this is now in the git source tree. Could you verify that the
> fix works and then close the bug.

I have tried it but it is even worse than before.


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--- Comment #32 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-25 03:51:28 ---
(In reply to comment #30)
> (In reply to comment #29)
> > It doesn't work for me, sound crackles a lot. But I messed up with PulseAudio
> > lately, so maybe it's just me.
>
> Are you using the latest git (not wine 1.1.9, as the fix missed that release)?
>
> Also, what version of PulseAudio are you using and what did you do to mess it
> up? This would help when setting up a configuration that can reproduce the
> issue.

I'm sorry, I forgot to write about it. I used Wine 1.1.9-48-g79f24b5 on Ubuntu
8.10, PulseAudio 0.9.10-2ubuntu9.1, libasound2 1.0.17a-0ubuntu4.

I've experimented with newer versions of PulseAudio (0.9.13) and libasound2
(1.0.18) from Ubuntu 9.04, because I've read they fixed scratchiness, but it
was even worse. I've also deleted /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio at some
point, but it seems it is restored now.

I've also tried different settings for quality in Winecfg (they're default now)
and changed them in System -> Preferences -> Sounds (now everything there is
set to ALSA).

Games I've tried were Everyday Shooter (Steam), Peggle Extreme (Steam) and
IcyTower.


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--- Comment #33 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-25 08:48:45 ---
If the solution is to remove

    if (state == SND_PCM_STATE_XRUN)
        snd_pcm_start(wwo->pcm);

then Reece Dunn has fixed this in current wine. Closing bug.


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--- Comment #34 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-25 10:12:42 ---
(In reply to comment #33)
> If the solution is to remove
>
> if (state == SND_PCM_STATE_XRUN)
>         snd_pcm_start(wwo->pcm);
>
> then Reece Dunn has fixed this in current wine. Closing bug.

Two people confirmed this patch didn't fix the problem, and even made it worse.
Looks like that's not the solution! How can you close the bug in this
situation?


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--- Comment #35 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-25 10:19:21 ---
Comparing "winealsa.drv: Don't hang on last few bytes not played." and
"winealsa: Calculate the delay correctly as snd_pcm_delay is not reliable in
this context." shows that not everything was reverted to a pre-wine-1.1.5
state.

http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=717df5b2972b3cb998ca5a...

http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=ef0069cbf5dd7c65089aa9...


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--- Comment #36 from Alan Jackson <ajackson(a)bcs.org.uk>  2008-11-25 10:24:13 ---
I can confirm that, for me at least, the patch DOES NOT fix the problem, so I
think this needs reopening.


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--- Comment #37 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-25 11:29:03 ---
There are two changes. The first [1] introduced by Maarten:

+    if (state == SND_PCM_STATE_XRUN)
+        snd_pcm_start(wwo->pcm);

that caused the initial issues. The second [2], introduced by me:

+    int err;
-    snd_pcm_delay(wwo->pcm, &delay);
+    avail = snd_pcm_avail_update(wwo->pcm);
+    err = snd_pcm_hw_params_get_buffer_size(wwo->hw_params, &buf_size);
+    delay = buf_size - avail;

To understand the issue, this is noticeable on machines running Ubuntu 8.10
that have Intel HDA audio cards going through the PulseAudio ALSA layer that
came with Ubuntu. This is without doing anything to the setup apart from
updating Ubuntu to get bug fixes from there. The issue is noticeable on various
games such as Peggle Deluxe.

The observed behaviour is:
  (a) without [1] or [2] -- sound is good (no stuttering);
  (b) with [1] only -- stuttering, Cepstral SwiftTalker hangs second time you
listen to some text;
  (c) with [2] only -- stuttering is even worse, SwiftTalker does not hang.

On IRC it was deemed that [2] is the correct way to calculate the delay value.

Can the people experiencing the issues try Wine with the 3 configurations in
(a) - (c) and report that the stuttering behaviour is as stated above. This is
even if you have tried it with configuration (a) before so that there is a
control test environment.


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--- Comment #38 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-25 12:29:27 ---
I've just tested it and the results are:


Wine 1.1.9-91-gf552c90  (both commits for winealsa)
Sound is very bad, very "dirty".

Wine 1.1.6  (one commit for winealsa)
Sound is bad, sometimes it's fine but too slow.

Wine 1.1.5  (no commits for winealsa)
Sound is perfect!


Tested on Icytower 1.3, each time with different wineprefixes.

Full log from installation and lauch of the game is here -
http://pastebin.com/f93c5f2d


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         Resolution|FIXED                       |




--- Comment #39 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-25 12:32:53 ---
Reopened.

"too slow" probably means it underruns a lot.


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--- Comment #40 from mokrad <mokrad(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-25 14:48:33 ---
I installed the last git version. I have always the bug. 
My config :ubuntu 8.10 chipset audio ADI AD2000B (game tested : Team Fortress
2)
Nota: My solution to have the sound without scratchy is using OSS and launch
padsp winecfg then padsp steam.exe


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--- Comment #41 from mokrad <mokrad(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-26 02:15:17 ---
> Nota: My solution to have the sound without scratchy is using OSS and launch
> padsp winecfg then padsp steam.exe

Just to clarify my nota: padsp winecfg then padsp wine steam.exe


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--- Comment #42 from Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com>  2008-11-26 14:43:49 ---
This is invalid - not a bug in Wine bug pulseaudio. The original problem was
fixed. The remaining problem is outside Wine can can't be fixed by Wine.

Closing fixed (original problem).


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--- Comment #43 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-26 14:45:18 ---
Sigh, the real fix is sent in and should be ingit-wine tomorrow, not marking
fixed yet


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--- Comment #44 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com>  2008-11-30 15:01:19 ---
Looks like the patch wasn't sent until today?
http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2008-November/065324.html


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--- Comment #45 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-11-30 15:48:54 ---
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> Looks like the patch wasn't sent until today?
> http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2008-November/065324.html

I sent a patch
(http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=commitdiff;h=ef0069cbf5dd7c65089aa9...)
that fixed some issues, but didn't fix this issue (default configured Ubuntu
8.10 with PulseAudio 0.9.10).

The patch I sent today was based on the analysis on IRC by ernst. I am
currently using Ubuntu 8.10 with PulseAudio 0.9.10 and have reproduced this bug
and tested the fix.

The analysis on IRC was that while the sound is fine on PulseAudio 0.9.10,
there are still issues with version 0.9.13.


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--- Comment #46 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com>  2008-11-30 18:54:20 ---
Thanks.  Your patch today fixes Kidpix audio, but it's still
not enough to fix the pulseaudio problem described in bug 16237.


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--- Comment #47 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-01 00:29:27 ---
*** Bug 16297 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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--- Comment #48 from Ernst Persson <ernstp(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-01 00:40:29 ---
I did send the patch on the 26:th to wine-patches(a)winehq.org
Is it stuck in moderation perhaps?
Anyway, great that the change will be taken.


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--- Comment #49 from Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-01 07:59:10 ---
Reece's patch was committed today. Please retest.


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--- Comment #50 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-01 08:59:32 ---
wine-1.1.9-252-ga307243

Peggle Extreme - sounds fine.
World of Goo - sounds fine.
Audiosurf - sounds fine.
Team Fortress 2 - the menu music plays ok, with no distortion, but I can hear
cracles from time to time, like every 3 seconds.
Everyday Shooter - the menu music plays with no distortion, but with a "reverb"
effect, the sound repeats itself like an echo.

All games on Steam.

I've also noticed various sound effects, like i.e. menu items in TF2 and PE or
when I collect a block in Audiosurf - are played half a second too late. It
looks like this: I move my mouse on a menu item, there is silence for half a
second and then there is a sound played.


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--- Comment #51 from mokrad <mokrad(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-01 12:40:56 ---
wine --version : wine-1.1.9-252-ga307243
pulseaudio 0.9.10
alsa : 1.0.18a
ubuntu 8.10

Works fine with this version on Team Fortress 2
Good job ;-)


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--- Comment #52 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-03 11:36:07 ---
Fixed


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--- Comment #53 from Adam Petaccia <adam(a)tpetaccia.com>  2008-12-03 14:17:59 ---
Please reopen, this bug still affects Warcraft III for me; reverting the
original patch still fixes.


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--- Comment #54 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-03 14:29:08 ---
Adam: Are you using the latest git? If so, are you using pulseaudio 0.9.13?
Version 0.9.10 of pulseaudio should work, but apparently there are still issues
with 0..9.13.

Could you give some more information about the configuration (distribution name
& version, pulseaudio version, ALSA version, whether you are using an Intel HDA
soundcard, if you have done anything beyond the stock distribution
install/updates to fix any sound issues you may have experienced).

Do other games work, like World of Goo or Peggle? I have these as well as
Warcraft III on an up-to-date Ubuntu 8.10 (using the default configuration)
with pulesaudio 0.9.10; the sound in games is working for me now (with current
git).


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--- Comment #55 from Adam Petaccia <adam(a)tpetaccia.com>  2008-12-03 18:30:45 ---
Created an attachment (id=17628)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=17628)
WINEDEBUG=wave wine war3

I'm using Ubuntu 8.10, pulse audio version 0.9.10, with "Audio device: ATI
Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)" sound card. Now the sounds just seem
to continuously "echo". The only 3rd party repos I have are for Wine (not
installed, I usually use git) and Nouveau, I also have a custom build of
ffmpeg. Compressed because its over 1MB.


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--- Comment #56 from Alexandre Julliard <julliard(a)winehq.org>  2008-12-05 11:15:53 ---
Closing bugs fixed in 1.1.10.


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--- Comment #57 from Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo(a)o2.pl>  2008-12-05 12:50:49 ---
wine-1.1.10
alsa-1.0.18
pulseaudio-0.9.13 (with git patches)

Now sound seems to just work.
(I'm still changing snd_pcm_delay lines to snd_pcm_avail blocks
in dscapture.c and dsoutput.c, but I'm not sure if that's correct anyway
- probably not, but for the moment I'll keep doing that)


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--- Comment #58 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-05 14:12:20 ---
For pulseaudio changing the ds*.c files is useless, that code is simply not run
by pulseaudio.. :/


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--- Comment #59 from Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo(a)o2.pl>  2008-12-05 14:33:20 ---
Even if you have:
pcm.!default {
        type pulse
        }
ctl.!default {
        type pulse
        }

in /etc/asound.conf ?


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--- Comment #60 from Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo(a)o2.pl>  2008-12-05 15:28:04 ---
Perhaps you're right, but in a different way:
with WINEDEBUG=+dsalsa I seem to always get:
trace:dsalsa:wodDsCreate driver created
warn:dsalsa:wodDsCreate MMAP not supported for this device, falling back to
waveout, should be harmless

so those changes have probably no effect after all.


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--- Comment #61 from Casey <caseyjp1(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-05 19:25:26 ---
This did NOT fix the issues on this system. It made it worse.  The sound/music
for EVE online was scratchy with 1.1.9, but as of 1.1.10 it now sounds like
everything is being played through a distortion chamber AND scratchy/hitching.

system
ubuntu 8.10
wine 1.1.10
winecfg using alsa for sound

No difference using pasuspender as a prefix or not at this point.

hardware:
nforce4 motherboard
amd 3800 x2 dualcore
nvidia ck804 sound card (onboard)
nvidia 8800gts

ubuntu 8.10
pulseaudio .9.10
wine 1.1.10 from repository. 
winecfg set to alsa.


Also seeing this error when running winecfg from the command line following
dist update to new version of wine:
E: shm.c: shm_open() failed: Read-only file system
E: shm.c: shm_open() failed: Read-only file system
E: shm.c: shm_open() failed: Read-only file system


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--- Comment #62 from Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo(a)o2.pl>  2008-12-05 20:09:48 ---
The last block of errors means probably that your pulseaudio is incorrectly set
up.

Alsa version is important too (both lib and driver),
as during pulseaudio development quite a few bugs
in alsa were discovered (some of them were not fixed till 1.0.18,
after all 0.9.12 (or was it 0.9.13) requires alsa of at least
1.0.17a.

Anyway, can any of the people complaining name a small, freeware
app that demonstrates the error. I'd like to see, if the problem
is reproducible for me. After all, point-and-click and turn-based
strategies may not be the best test cases (that's what I'm using).


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--- Comment #63 from Casey <caseyjp1(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-05 23:20:04 ---
(In reply to comment #62)
> The last block of errors means probably that your pulseaudio is incorrectly set
> up.
>
> Alsa version is important too (both lib and driver),
> as during pulseaudio development quite a few bugs
> in alsa were discovered (some of them were not fixed till 1.0.18,
> after all 0.9.12 (or was it 0.9.13) requires alsa of at least
> 1.0.17a.
>
> Anyway, can any of the people complaining name a small, freeware
> app that demonstrates the error. I'd like to see, if the problem
> is reproducible for me. After all, point-and-click and turn-based
> strategies may not be the best test cases (that's what I'm using).

There were no errors until installing wine 1.1.10.  Prior version of wine 1.1.9
had no errors, and although it DID have the scratch/hiss described in this bug,
it was nowhere near as problematic as the sound is now.

Using padsp and OSS for winecfg is currently the ONLY way to get this
application (EVE-Online) to behave somewhat normally, but the latencies
introduced by using the oss solution is not optimal at all in a purely PVP
environment.

As to the request for a small freeware application, no.  EVE, however, IS a
free download and has 14 day trial available with no credit card usage.

The ONLY change to my system was to upgrade to wine 1.1.10.
alsa version: 1.0.17dfsg


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--- Comment #64 from John Beaulieu <john.beaulieu(a)comcast.net>  2008-12-06 08:21:03 ---
This bug is definitely not resolved, if you need an app to test it with try
winamp, the fix made it worse. I'm experiencing stuttering and garbled sound in
WoW, EQ2, Winamp and several other apps. I'm using a fully updated Ubunto 8.10
with wine 1.1.10. The only things that get sound to work in affected apps are
running  padsp winecfg and selecting oss or killing pulseaudio. These are not
optimal solutions.


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--- Comment #65 from Casey <caseyjp1(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-06 17:33:21 ---
I discovered the error:
E: shm.c: shm_open() failed: Read-only file system
E: shm.c: shm_open() failed: Read-only file system
E: shm.c: shm_open() failed: Read-only file system

was due to this change to fstab:

 tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,ro 0 0 

which is a recommended security change.

Re-commenting that line in fstab removed the error when running wine.

1.1.9 had NO issues with this line in fstab. 1.1.10 does.


The issues with sound remain.  This bug ain't fixed.


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--- Comment #66 from Matteo Modesti <mattemod(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-06 22:02:15 ---
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> tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,ro 0 0
>
> Re-commenting that line in fstab removed the error when running wine.

Don't comment that line, just remove that ",ro" and maybe add a 'size'
argument; for example:

tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,size=64m 0 0


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--- Comment #67 from Joni L-H <jonilh(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-07 20:51:21 ---
The stuttering sound was solved in Oblivion for me in WINE 1.1.10.
But remains in EQ2. But changed somewhat.
Now in EQ2 its more of a clean echo. Very anoying echo.


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--- Comment #68 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com>  2008-12-07 21:14:08 ---
Also affects Mia's Math adventure; 1.1.9 had scratchiness,
1.1.10 has the echo.  See bug 16378.


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--- Comment #69 from Ernst Persson <ernstp(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-08 23:20:55 ---
World of warcraft, warcraft 3 and peggle deluxe all work perfectly with wine
1.1.10 here. (No padsp, wine is using alsa and alsa is using pulseaudio..)


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--- Comment #70 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com>  2008-12-08 23:26:01 ---
How about winamp - can you check if that works now for you, too?


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--- Comment #71 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-09 01:50:06 ---
WinAmp works for me. It takes a long time to start playing, but when it does,
it plays fine (using the Lama test sound file). I haven't tried a dsound
application yet.


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--- Comment #72 from Antoine Mazeas <antoine(a)karthanis.net>  2008-12-09 03:56:11 ---
Hi,

It's getting obvious that the issue is going on a per app basis. Still, I'm
mostly experiencing distorted sound:

- WoW: OK
- Guild Wars: OK
- TF2, HL²: OK

But still:

- Rune: echo + scratchiness
- Call of Cthulhu Dark corners of the earth: idem
- Diablo II: idem
- Overlord: idem

Using ALSA 1.0.17a through Pulseaudio 0.9.10


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--- Comment #73 from Casey <caseyjp1(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-09 04:50:49 ---
(In reply to comment #72)
> Hi,
>
> It's getting obvious that the issue is going on a per app basis. Still, I'm
> mostly experiencing distorted sound:
>
> - WoW: OK
> - Guild Wars: OK
> - TF2, HL²: OK
>
> But still:
>
> - Rune: echo + scratchiness
> - Call of Cthulhu Dark corners of the earth: idem
> - Diablo II: idem
> - Overlord: idem
>
> Using ALSA 1.0.17a through Pulseaudio 0.9.10

I tend to agree with that. (per app)....BUT, none of the apps I've tried
have ANY issue with OSS using padsp.  The problem with that, again, is that its
not by any stretch an optimal solution for a long term fix.

    I'm a user, not a dev, but it seems to me that the wine folks and the pulse
folks should stop the bickering, get together and fix this crap.  I don't mean
to sound callous, but every mail list I've read regarding pulseaudio and wine
is more a finger pointing contest rather than an attempt at a longer term
solution.

     Pulseaudio ain't going away folks, and having to fumble through winecfg
and surfing maillists to find work arounds isn't gonna win many fans when all
that's wanted is to use the app of choice to play a game or listen to tunes or
what have ya.

My thoughts on it anyway, and now off my soapbox.


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--- Comment #74 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-09 08:36:46 ---
I think we can all agree that fixing the issues noted here is important. The
difficulty is in reproducing the issues in a reliable way.

I have a Ubuntu 8.10 install with PulseAudio 0.9.10 and no modifications to the
base audio configuration. For me, the fixes that have gone in to Wine have
fixed audio *on my machine*. I have tried Azguard Defense, Diablo II, WarCraft
III and other games, but have not reproduced the new errors that people are
experiencing.

Likewise, Maarten has said that he has not been able to reproduce the audio
glitches. If the developers cannot reproduce the problems, it is difficult for
them to investigate and fix them.

As far as I am aware, there are 2 known areas where there are audio problems:
1.  pulseaudio 0.9.13 - this has been reported to cause problems;
2.  applications using DirectSound - this has been reported in bug 16378 and
appears to exhibit itself as an echoing sound.

For the first issue, I am aiming to perform a regression test on the pulseaudio
code, but I am having some issues building 0.9.13 from source at the moment.

For the second issue, I am on the lookout for a DirectSound game that has a
demo that can be installed, so I can test it and investigate.

Thank you for your patience,
- Reece


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--- Comment #75 from Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo(a)o2.pl>  2008-12-09 09:00:52 ---
Well, 0.9.13 doesn't seem to create any problems for me, but
you should know that that official tarball is broken
without a few git-patches (best check Redhat src rpms).

It's possible that sound card plays a role here:
I'm on AC'97 (*intel8x0).


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--- Comment #76 from Arkadiusz Piekarz <piekarzarkadiusz(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-09 11:22:30 ---
(In reply to comment #74)
> As far as I am aware, there are 2 known areas where there are audio problems:
> 1.  pulseaudio 0.9.13 - this has been reported to cause problems;
> 2.  applications using DirectSound - this has been reported in bug 16378 and
> appears to exhibit itself as an echoing sound.
> (...)
> For the second issue, I am on the lookout for a DirectSound game that has a
> demo that can be installed, so I can test it and investigate.
>
> Thank you for your patience,
> - Reece

Download Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords demo from here -
http://www.infinite-interactive.com/puzzlequest/demo.php
It's around 14 MB.

I has the echo sound effect already in the menu. Tested with Wine
1.1.10-130-gfba5c4f.


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--- Comment #77 from Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo(a)o2.pl>  2008-12-09 16:19:21 ---
First a correction to comment 76:
web installer is 14MB, the demo itself is additional 34MB.

Yes, it does seem to stutter. waveout vs dsound ?
No idea yet.


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--- Comment #78 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-09 17:13:18 ---
Thanks for the Puzzle Quest link. I am experiencing the stuttering on that
game, so it looks like there is at least one sound issue that relates to
dsound.


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--- Comment #79 from Jörg Höhle <hoehle(a)users.sourceforge.net>  2008-12-09 17:16:26 ---
Here are my findings about recent radio-like noise mixins I get to hear. I'm
using yet another application, using DirectSound, so it seems. wine-1.1.10
makes no difference vs. 1.1.9.
You can download the 47MB demo of The Nations / Die Völker II at
http://www.jowood.com/?lang=de&site=2&gameid=voelker2&iid=Demo

I'm using Ubuntu Intrepid with
+ latest updates as of today,
+ pulseaudio 0.9.10-2ubuntu9
+ Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller
(rev 03)

Using or not (pactl exit) pulseaudio makes no difference to the sound glitches
I hear.

Using OSS works fine.

Much to my surprise, I also found out that using ALSA with:
+ driver emulation
+ HW accel. emul. (otherwise a hissing sound is heard / mixed in)
+ at 8bit, 22050Hz
works fine with 1.1.10 in Ubuntu Intrepid, with or without pulseaudio.
Using different settings in winecfg (e.g. 44100/16) produces various noise
mixins.
But is this really using ALSA? WINEDEBUG=+dsalsa comes out empty in this case.

Using ALSA instead of OSS prevents the bug where the PCM mixer mutes from
showing up.


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--- Comment #80 from Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo(a)o2.pl>  2008-12-11 15:23:40 ---
The patch in bug 16416 comment 6 seems to fix the problem.

BTW., the German demo is no longer there, it's just the English one.


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--- Comment #81 from Jörg Höhle <hoehle(a)users.sourceforge.net>  2008-12-13 17:05:07 ---
Here are my some of my test results about the patch in bug 16416 comment 6,
using Ubuntu Intrepid with wine-1.1.0 and pulseaudio. It indeed appears to fix
sound issues in at least 2 games:
(pa means PulseAudio; DL means a download is available; all apps are in AppDB)
- "Luka(DL) und das geheimnisvolle Silberpferd" sounds perfect, despite using
dsound (patch not needed).
- "CrazyMachines Operation Brainstorm"(DL) sounds perfect (dito).
- "Die Völker 2/The Nations" radio-like hissing noise mixin with pa, but not
with direct sound emulation toggle in winecfg (cf. comment #79); perfect with
patch
- Sierra's Pharaoh stutters with pa, but not with emulation (+dsound logs in
both cases); perfect with patch

One wonders how such a tiny patch about computing a 10ms fragment length can
have that dramatic impact.


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--- Comment #82 from knan-wine(a)anduin.net  2008-12-13 18:08:35 ---
I originally reported this one, and I can't reproduce anymore with the same set
of games and current git (1.1.10+).


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--- Comment #83 from Dan Farina <drfarina(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-14 18:43:25 ---
(In reply to comment #81)
> One wonders how such a tiny patch about computing a 10ms fragment length can
> have that dramatic impact.

I can also attest that the patch you linked to
(http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2008-December/065755.html) has
completely solved crackling sound and slow video replay issues in Dawn of War:
Soulstorm.

I applied the patch to bd25af9dba280e3d80f3080140f2f5ab2cd0dfb3, which
exhibited all the usual symptoms of this bug.


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--- Comment #84 from Carl Chatfield <carlchatfield(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-25 21:46:26 ---
i have an unmodified git with wine-1.1.11-135-gcb08534. not that this bug needs
confirming, but id just like to say that it is present in starcraft brood war,
and very likely also the demo although i have not tested this. the reason i
thought it was worth mentioning was because starcraft is a rather popular game
and perhaps some devs would have it installed. Wine 1.0 works fine.


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--- Comment #85 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-26 03:39:21 ---
Carl: BroodWars audio is working for me. I'm on Ubuntu Jaunty (9.04 alpha 1)
with PulseAudio 0.9.13.

What are you running on? Could you also do a regression test?
http://wiki.winehq.org/RegressionTesting


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--- Comment #86 from Carl Chatfield <carlchatfield(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-26 09:55:38 ---
im sorry i dont exactly know how to use git, and i just tried to do a
regression test and honestly i dont know whether or not it worked. i suspect
the problem is in dlls/dsound/primary.c with fraglen ()

i tried to bisect this file only, but it still recompiled the entire wine src.
I dont have enough time to do a full regression test right now if it will
require 30 minute compiles, sorry. If no one else confirms it i will have some
time in about 3 days. I need a ps3 cluster :(


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--- Comment #87 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-26 09:59:29 ---
Carl: ok. Do you know what Linux distribution & version you are using (e.g.
Ubuntu 8.10)?


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--- Comment #88 from Jamieson Christian <jamiesonc(a)tds.net>  2008-12-26 23:57:27 ---
I experienced a soft clicking sound (every half second, kind of a "flicking
paper" sound) when playing Half Life 2 under Wine 1.1.8. The problem did not
manifest in the stable release, Wine 1.0.1. The problem still existed as
recently as Wine 1.1.11.

However, the problem NO LONGER PRESENTS in Half Life 2 under a git from today
(wine-1.1.11-153-g424cb27). The most likely cause of the fixed behavior is the
Dec. 22 commit from Reece: "dsound: Correct the dsound fraglen calculations."
Thanks Reece!

Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid)
ALSA 1.0.17
PulseAudio 0.9.10
(I have not made any modifications to the default audio setup for Ubuntu 8.10.)


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--- Comment #89 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-27 03:08:30 ---
Jamieson: Thanks.

That would explain why Carl is still experiencing sound problems. Carl, does
updating to latest git (or to my fix) address your sound problems?


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--- Comment #90 from Carl Chatfield <carlchatfield(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-28 08:58:41 ---
im afraid not, i just compiled wine-1.1.11-184-gb15ba76 and the sound still
doesnt work properly. i forgot to mention that i use debian 64 bit stable
(lenny). again i have no time to do a full regression test, but i had a tiny
play and changed fraglen () to return twice its usual return value. When the
starcraft starts it now plays a split second (most likely 1/10 th of a second)
of music correctly before crashing. I hope this is of help, im afraid im very
busy at the moment, and i must set some time to learn how to use git.


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--- Comment #91 from Carl Chatfield <carlchatfield(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-28 09:01:15 ---
sorry, slight correction i use debian testing, not stable. whoops.


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--- Comment #92 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-28 09:20:50 ---
Carl: that's ok. Maybe what you are seeing is bug 16607 (there is a patch
attached there).


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--- Comment #93 from Carl Chatfield <carlchatfield(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-28 09:28:50 ---
yes, thank you after applying that patch sound works again.


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--- Comment #94 from Dan Farina <drfarina(a)gmail.com>  2008-12-30 00:06:34 ---
(In reply to comment #83)
> (In reply to comment #81)
> > One wonders how such a tiny patch about computing a 10ms fragment length can
> > have that dramatic impact.
>
> I can also attest that the patch you linked to
> (http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2008-December/065755.html) has
> completely solved crackling sound and slow video replay issues in Dawn of War:
> Soulstorm.
>
> I applied the patch to bd25af9dba280e3d80f3080140f2f5ab2cd0dfb3, which
> exhibited all the usual symptoms of this bug.

Fixed as of ce06de420874b9983324508f8257a580fee341ca for Dawn of War: Soulstorm


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--- Comment #95 from Aaryna Delsorou <delsorou(a)gmail.com>  2009-01-13 03:11:35 ---
Created an attachment (id=18668)
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+wave output from ALSA and OSS for app Culpa Innata

I get a strikingly similar, but slightly less severe output from using OSS in
Winecfg.  Not sure if this is a coincidence or not.


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--- Comment #95 from Aaryna Delsorou <delsorou(a)gmail.com>  2009-01-13 03:11:35 ---
Created an attachment (id=18668)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=18668)
+wave output from ALSA and OSS for app Culpa Innata

I get a strikingly similar, but slightly less severe output from using OSS in
Winecfg.  Not sure if this is a coincidence or not.


--- Comment #96 from Aaryna Delsorou <delsorou(a)gmail.com>  2009-01-13 03:19:56 ---
Created an attachment (id=18669)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=18669)
+wave output from ALSA and OSS for app Culpa Innata

I get a strikingly similar, but slightly less severe output from using OSS in
Winecfg.  Not sure if this is a coincidence or not.

ALSA log is in the top half of the file, OSS log is in the bottom half of the
file


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--- Comment #95 from Aaryna Delsorou <delsorou(a)gmail.com>  2009-01-13 03:11:35 ---
Created an attachment (id=18668)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=18668)
+wave output from ALSA and OSS for app Culpa Innata

I get a strikingly similar, but slightly less severe output from using OSS in
Winecfg.  Not sure if this is a coincidence or not.


--- Comment #96 from Aaryna Delsorou <delsorou(a)gmail.com>  2009-01-13 03:19:56 ---
Created an attachment (id=18669)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=18669)
+wave output from ALSA and OSS for app Culpa Innata

I get a strikingly similar, but slightly less severe output from using OSS in
Winecfg.  Not sure if this is a coincidence or not.

ALSA log is in the top half of the file, OSS log is in the bottom half of the
file


--- Comment #97 from Aaryna Delsorou <delsorou(a)gmail.com>  2009-01-13 03:42:21 ---
My apologies on the double attachment.  Did not intend to attach two copies of
that log, I was having problems with the upload process.

I have linked this bug to the app Culpa Innata, where I have been experiencing
garbled audio and slowness.  Interestingly, I have the same exact problem with
my app whether I set Winecfg to use OSS or ALSA, it is simply much less severe
with OSS.

I am using Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 x86_64, with the Realtek ALC850 onboard sound
card built into my motherboard and PulseAudio 0.9.10 under default
configuration.

There is an unfortunate testing gap in my application when I was unavailable,
but my last test under Hardy and with Wine 1.1.5 did not have this issue.


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--- Comment #98 from Joni L-H <jonilh(a)gmail.com>  2009-02-19 02:27:18 ---
This bugg seams to be solved for all games I play from WINE 1.1.14


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--- Comment #99 from Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>  2009-02-19 10:02:41 ---
Hasn't been reported broken for a while now...


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--- Comment #100 from Alexandre Julliard <julliard(a)winehq.org>  2009-02-27 16:31:14 ---
Closing bugs fixed in 1.1.16.


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--- Comment #101 from Thodoris Greasidis <thgreasi(a)gmail.com>  2009-02-28 02:20:08 ---
I do not want to disappoint anyone but my warcraft 3 still sounds like it spits
all around.
I think scratchiness/stutter should be reopened.
I hope this is not just me:)


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--- Comment #102 from Reece Dunn <msclrhd(a)gmail.com>  2009-02-28 06:11:04 ---
I have been subscribed to the pulseaudio mailing list since I started
investigating this issue in Wine. Of interest is
https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-February/003150.....

Essentially, for the Linux distributions that do not have sound glitches (e.g.
Fedora), they have very low scheduling latencies (around 5ms) whereas the ones
that have glitches (e.g. Ubuntu) show a latency of around 210ms. It is this
high latency that causes the ALSA audio buffer to run out before data is
fetched again, and thus cause sound glitches.

This is no longer a Wine issue. It is an issue with pulseaudio and the Linux
kernel configuration. If anybody is experiencing any further pulseaudio issues
they should file a bug report with their distribution and point them to the
link above.


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--- Comment #103 from Joni L-H <jonilh(a)gmail.com>  2009-02-28 14:54:24 ---
This can not only be about pulseaduio.
Even if the main problem might lie in pulseaudio config of the distro, it can
not soley be that as the problem did not exsist untill WINE 1.1.6 and above.

And if it is a matter of distro PA config Ubuntu must have solved it as I use
Ubuntu 8.10 and do not have the problem in WINE 1.1.14 and 1.1.15 (not yet
tested 1.1.16)


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