[Bug 33470] New: Don't allow to create wiki pages with external links
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Bug #: 33470 Summary: Don't allow to create wiki pages with external links Product: WineHQ.org Version: unspecified Platform: x86 OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: www-unknown AssignedTo: wine-bugs(a)winehq.org ReportedBy: dmitry(a)baikal.ru CC: dimi(a)lattica.com Classification: Unclassified Just have a look at http://wiki.winehq.org/RecentChanges, it really starts to take quite a bit of an effort to clean Wine wiki from spam. Apparently, spammers can't be stopped by keywords listed in the stop list http://wiki.winehq.org/LocalBadContent, and that's another problem. Disallowing to create wiki pages with external links is considered main and very efficient way to stop wiki spam, there are many resources explaining how to do that for various wiki engines. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 --- Comment #1 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)baikal.ru> 2013-05-15 22:04:53 CDT --- Dimi, can you please at least comment on this? It's ridiculous to fight with wiki spam manually when it can be automated with not that much efforts. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 --- Comment #2 from Dimi Paun <dimi(a)lattica.com> 2013-05-16 07:00:55 CDT --- LocalBadContent takes regexes why not add one for external links? For other ideas pls add links in here on how/what to do. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 --- Comment #3 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)baikal.ru> 2013-05-16 07:24:16 CDT --- (In reply to comment #2)
LocalBadContent takes regexes why not add one for external links?
How are you imaging that? LocalBadContent already contains hundreds of keywords but that doesn't prevent adding spam.
For other ideas pls add links in here on how/what to do.
http://www.google.com/search?q=stop+wiki+spam gives plenty of ideas/recommendations. Is that enough? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 --- Comment #4 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)baikal.ru> 2013-05-16 08:54:26 CDT --- Right now there is quite a bit of fresh spam in Wine wiki, try to figure out a pattern for a regexp to filter it. Note, that there is no point in filtering a web address, spammers always use a new one, they never reuse them. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 --- Comment #5 from Dimi Paun <dimi(a)lattica.com> 2013-05-16 11:03:46 CDT --- I understand there is a spam problem. I'm willing to help out, but pointing me to a generic Google search is not the way to do it. You can: - point me to a link with precise instructions for MoinMoin 1.5 (which is what we're running right now) - edit LocalBadContent and add regexs that match external urls. You don't need my help for that. Alternatively, you can ask for help from other folks like Kyle that are interested in helping out with the wiki. I have already written a bunch of scripts that are currently running in the background to eliminate as much of the stuff as possible. Beyond that, I need help. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dank(a)kegel.com --- Comment #6 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> 2013-05-16 15:41:24 CDT --- There's always the nuclear option: disable new user registration, and have people manually request accounts. glibc did this recently, see http://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/HomePage#EditingTheWiki -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 --- Comment #7 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)baikal.ru> 2013-05-16 19:42:19 CDT --- (In reply to comment #6)
There's always the nuclear option: disable new user registration, and have people manually request accounts.
glibc did this recently, see http://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/HomePage#EditingTheWiki
I think that's actually acceptable for Wine wiki as well. According to http://wiki.winehq.org/RecentChanges there is maybe 1 or 2 new real wiki users in several months (I'd say an year), so making new user accounts go through moderation is not going to create any problem. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)baikal.ru> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |ABANDONED --- Comment #8 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)baikal.ru> 2013-05-23 19:11:51 CDT --- Judging by http://wiki.winehq.org/RecentChanges the preferred way of fighting Wine wiki spam is the hands of somebody else. So be it. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Frédéric Delanoy <frederic.delanoy(a)gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Comment #9 from Frédéric Delanoy <frederic.delanoy(a)gmail.com> 2013-05-24 07:21:59 CDT --- Closing ABANDONED bugs. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Kyle Auble <kauble(a)lavabit.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kauble(a)lavabit.com --- Comment #10 from Kyle Auble <kauble(a)lavabit.com> 2013-08-04 23:28:35 CDT --- Sorry to raise this bug from the dead, but I just wanted to nominate the manual request option for consideration one more time. I discussed the problem briefly on the mailing list: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2013-August/100681.html. The new pages they create are trivial. The real problem is the regex filter gives false positives a lot. We could go through and make the patterns more precise, but there are always going to be weird cases. For example, I recently had to redo an edit because "another page" was detected as "her page." Then there are a few clever spammers that seem to know this so they vandalize our main pages (which are more likely to have a false positive that prevents reverting). Fixing this actually takes a lot of time. Among other things, I'd have to clear out my browser cache and cookies, log back in to use the updated bad content list, revert the page, revert the bad content list to its original state, and only then could I correct the brittle regex. Also, I think a person or bot is monitoring the site because the one time I made the mistake of temporarily wiping LocalBadContent to allow a revert, we had a spam edit every couple of minutes. Honestly, it makes me a little angry to think that most of our spammers are probably just poor peasants trying to supplement their income. Don't get me started on what it says about the modern economy that they're paid to do this instead of building themselves roads, factories, hospitals.... So yeah, I would definitely support account requests out of both convenience and principle. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|CLOSED |REOPENED Resolution|ABANDONED | --- Comment #11 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> 2013-08-05 00:07:38 CDT --- I feel strongly that the right short term measure is to turn off automated registration, and require new wiki editors to be added manually. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|Don't allow to create wiki |Implement effective |pages with external links |anti-spam measures on the | |wine wiki -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Luke Bratch <luke(a)bratch.co.uk> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |luke(a)bratch.co.uk -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #12 from Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net> --- While anyone can create an account on the new wiki, new users no longer automatically get edit access. That has to be requested by email: https://wiki.winehq.org/WineHQ_Wiki:General_disclaimer. Marking fixed. -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Comment #13 from Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net> --- Closing fixed website bugs. -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33470 Kyle Auble <kyle.auble(a)zoho.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC|kyle.auble(a)zoho.com | -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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