[Bug 10000] New: The original win32 api is still more popular then wine.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Summary: The original win32 api is still more popular then wine. Product: Wine Version: 0.9.46. Platform: Other URL: http://www.winehq.org OS/Version: other Status: NEW Severity: critical Priority: P2 Component: wine-winelib AssignedTo: wine-bugs(a)winehq.org ReportedBy: M.B.Lankhorst(a)gmail.com Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. A lot of software depends on the win32 api, so wine should eventually have to be the most popular implementation of it. This idea came from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 ;-) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Jan Zerebecki <jan.wine(a)zerebecki.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|The original win32 api is |The original win32 api |still more popular then |implementation is still more |wine. |popular then wine. --- Comment #1 from Jan Zerebecki <jan.wine(a)zerebecki.de> 2007-10-11 13:23:42 --- This depends on having very good and complete documentation. Currently even though msdn contains many errors their documentation is more complete. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #2 from Alexandre Julliard <julliard(a)winehq.org> 2007-10-11 13:28:37 --- Actually the Wine source code is a much better documentation of the Win32 API than MSDN... -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dank(a)kegel.com Difficulty|--- |Years --- Comment #3 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> 2007-10-11 13:36:13 --- We can do it without extra documentation, we just have to write lots of conformance tests to see how MS win32 behaves. Setting "Difficulty" field. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #4 from Detlef Riekenberg <wine.dev(a)web.de> 2007-10-11 13:40:55 --- Created an attachment (id=8519) --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=8519) Windows API Documentation test The Windows API Documentation test failed -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Lei Zhang <thestig(a)google.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|The original win32 api |The original win32 api |implementation is still more|implementation is still more |popular then wine. |popular than wine. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #5 from Jan Zerebecki <jan.wine(a)zerebecki.de> 2007-10-11 17:31:29 --- Yes conformance tests are the first step. And yes the source code is good to find out what happens. But that is not a replacement for good documentation in written prose ( http://source.winehq.org/WineAPI/ ). -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #6 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> 2007-10-12 10:39:00 --- What is this bug about? Is it a joke to just take a bug with number 10000? I'm tempted to close it as invalid. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #7 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> 2007-10-14 00:07:47 --- Popularity is not a technical merit. Closing as invalid. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Comment #8 from Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> 2007-10-14 00:08:00 --- Closing. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 James Hawkins <truiken(a)gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|_obsolete_winelib |-unknown -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|CLOSED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | --- Comment #9 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> 2008-03-18 10:50:35 --- Think of this bug as a milestone rather than a conventional bug. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #10 from Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst(a)gmail.com> 2008-06-17 20:24:57 --- *** Bug 13396 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #11 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> 2008-06-17 22:11:45 --- Still an issue with wine-1.0. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keywords| |download --- Comment #12 from Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> 2008-12-15 13:53:19 --- Still present in git. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Rafał Rzepecki <divided.mind(a)gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |divided.mind(a)gmail.com --- Comment #13 from Rafał Rzepecki <divided.mind(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-02 18:13:09 --- I can confirm as of 1.1.16. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |shacklein(a)gmail.com --- Comment #14 from Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-18 18:42:06 --- I can't reproduce this bug, and haven't been able to for about 5 years or so. Does anyone have steps to reproduce? I suspect it has something to do with me deleting my Windows install from my desktop ... -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #15 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> 2009-03-18 18:46:19 --- 1. Visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems 2. Note that the wedge devoted to Linux is too small to see with the naked eye. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #16 from Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-18 22:03:46 --- You're such a buzzkill, Dan ;) I can see the wedge fine, but it doesn't prove much. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to accurately measure OS shares, partly due to the fact that Linux is free so you can't go by number of sales/downloads. With webservers logging user-agents, things like user-agent spoofing (User-Agent Switcher extension in Firefox, and built in to browsers like Opera and Konqueror) skew the results in favour of Windows. Even Wine Gecko will register as <insert Windows version here> in the user-agent string. Regardless, this bug is not apparent *for me*. I can't speak for the rest of the world, but the alternative win32 implementation irritates me much more than Wine does :) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #17 from Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> 2009-03-19 09:49:53 --- Web server access logs are a pretty good measure, and they show that this bug is still definitely a problem. As you point out, non-windows systems are now capable, but that wasn't the bug; the bug is that fewer people are using them than are using Windows. And that's demonstrably still true. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Ivan Baldo <ibaldo(a)adinet.com.uy> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ibaldo(a)adinet.com.uy -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Łukasz <lukp1(a)op.pl> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lukp1(a)op.pl --- Comment #18 from Łukasz <lukp1(a)op.pl> 2009-07-12 15:10:42 --- The Bug still present under 1.1.25. But not affect my life at all. Hardcore solve (may can help someone, but can make also your life hard): - make a list of at least ten friends using win32 api - find out when they are not at home - delete MS:W$ - install linux Some of them may not see the diffrence. But after some time of using linux they may consider "hey, where is my bluescreen? And why my OS is working so fast? Where are my viruses?" etc. Than you can explain what you did. I suppose they won't install W$ again. But if The Bug returns - try again. Hope it helped. Good luck! -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 zil <zilforever(a)gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |zilforever(a)gmail.com --- Comment #19 from zil <zilforever(a)gmail.com> 2009-10-17 05:51:36 --- Im using WindowsXP because of games. Until games will be multi OS or games will work with Wine, I need both OS on PC :(. Question: In theory, can windows games can run faster or at least equal under Wine. If Wine and drivers would be optimized? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #20 from Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> 2009-10-17 06:15:52 --- (In reply to comment #19)
Until games will be multi OS or games will work with Wine, I need both OS on PC :(.
You may be interested in www.linuxgamepublishing.com.
Question: In theory, can windows games can run faster or at least equal under Wine.
Yes and this does happen sometimes. In some cases, it's due to OpenGL running faster on Linux systems in general (typically thanks to nVidia's drivers) but other factors include better memory and process management in Linux compared to Windows. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Robert Wm Ruedisueli <esd45(a)earthlink.net> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |esd45(a)earthlink.net --- Comment #21 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli <esd45(a)earthlink.net> 2010-04-05 23:53:30 --- This is obviously an excellent milestone goal. Getting full support for Win32 standards to the vast majority of Alternative OSs will really be the first step towards this. The main disadvantage right now is that people feel safe with their applications and don't want to switch them all to switch OSs. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Luke Bratch <l_bratch(a)yahoo.co.uk> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |l_bratch(a)yahoo.co.uk -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Difficulty|Years |--- Severity|critical |enhancement -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 fracting <fracting(a)gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |fracting(a)gmail.com -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 olof <olof_nord_(a)hotmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |olof_nord_(a)hotmail.com --- Comment #22 from olof <olof_nord_(a)hotmail.com> 2011-05-19 12:02:17 CDT --- Issue still persists in latest wine (1.3.20). Have not tried the solution proposed in comment 18 though. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #23 from Henri Verbeet <hverbeet(a)gmail.com> 2012-03-25 10:21:00 CDT --- IMHO this should be closed WONTFIX as popularity shouldn't be a project goal purely on its own. I suppose "project goals" may be an interesting conversation to have at some point though. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 André H. <nerv(a)dawncrow.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |nerv(a)dawncrow.de --- Comment #24 from André H. <nerv(a)dawncrow.de> 2013-02-07 09:13:04 CST --- This might be fixed already for ARM or will be fixed for ARM at some point, just have a look what's going on with Windows RT. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 renee <bullcity216(a)att.net> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bullcity216(a)att.net -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #25 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli <ruediix(a)gmail.com> 2013-03-04 09:53:43 CST --- (In reply to comment #23)
IMHO this should be closed WONTFIX as popularity shouldn't be a project goal purely on its own. I suppose "project goals" may be an interesting conversation to have at some point though.
I think we will close this as NOTABUG once Wine functions more reliably and accurately than the more popular Win32 platform, as then it will be an issue with the keyboard to chair interface, or more often the case, the controlling process of the keyboard to chair interface. With the bugs pouring in on the latest version of that competing platform, with it's developer denying the existence of said bugs and even large companies like Valve refusing to work around those bugs, our job may have just gotten a lot easier. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 hamzaNouri <hamza.nouri(a)esprit.tn> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |hamza.nouri(a)esprit.tn -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Shubham <shubhambtps(a)live.in> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |shubhambtps(a)live.in --- Comment #26 from Shubham <shubhambtps(a)live.in> --- Comment on attachment 8519 --> https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=8519 Windows API Documentation test What are we supposed to do with this bug because i don't think it's a real bug. -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 rebe(a)gmx.net changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |rebe(a)gmx.net --- Comment #27 from rebe(a)gmx.net --- The original implementation removed .hlp file support (Win32help.exe). The option to reinstall the app only works for Win <10. Wine continues to support the legacy format. Some bugs remaining e.g. #29579 #14286 #14296 #14299 -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 tokktokk <fdsfgs(a)krutt.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |fdsfgs(a)krutt.org -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Jens N <jens.n(a)godlike.biz> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jens.n(a)godlike.biz --- Comment #28 from Jens N <jens.n(a)godlike.biz> --- Unfortunally this is still a big issue. I heard valve is also working towards a solution with their steam deck. Maybe there is a way to fix it with combined efforts? ;-) Btw. this bug should also include the win64 implementation. -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 --- Comment #29 from Ben Klein <shacklein(a)gmail.com> --- (In reply to Jens N from comment #28)
Unfortunally this is still a big issue. I heard valve is also working towards a solution with their steam deck. Maybe there is a way to fix it with combined efforts? ;-)
Btw. this bug should also include the win64 implementation.
I think we need to wait for bug #65535 before addressing the win64 issue -- Do not reply to this email, post in Bugzilla using the above URL to reply. You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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