[Bug 10707] New: Wine freezes X
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 Summary: Wine freezes X Product: Wine Version: 20050930 Platform: PC-x86-64 OS/Version: Linux Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: critical Priority: P3 Component: wine-binary AssignedTo: wine-bugs(a)winehq.org ReportedBy: His__Child(a)hotmail.com When trying to launch anything from wine (wine, wine notepad, winecfg) the system freezes up. I asked for help, who could connect using ssh (openssh-server) but as soon as i would run any part of wine it would freeze, including ssh. The same goes for if he runs any part of wine. After about 15-20 seconds it will reboot, acting like nothing had happened. However, when running it in console, i noticed wine spitting some stuff about sound cards. I have two sounds card, one on my motherboard, the other on a pci. Both are configured to use OSS. However, when i took my pci sound card out, it would run flawlessly. My system specs: AMD Athlon 3800+ X2 2ghz 2Gb DDR ram Asus A8R-MVP sounds card 1 is onboard on this motherboard second sound card is a trust SC-5200. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 --- Comment #1 from Stefan Dösinger <stefandoesinger(a)gmx.at> 2007-12-07 15:13:48 --- If wine freezes your X server it is an X server bug, not a wine bug... -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 --- Comment #2 from HisChild <His__Child(a)hotmail.com> 2007-12-07 15:16:53 --- (In reply to comment #1)
If wine freezes your X server it is an X server bug, not a wine bug...
If it was just X that froze, ssh would've continued to work. However, ssh froze and new connections could not be made. Since this is just the case when wine is run, this is a problem caused from wine. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID Version|20050930 |unspecified --- Comment #3 from Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> 2007-12-07 15:20:48 --- Invalid. Not Wine bug. Mostlikely bad/improperly installed video drivers. Unless of course you running Wine as root. This nothing we can do there either. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Comment #4 from Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> 2007-12-07 15:21:48 --- By definition Wine is a 100% user land app. If it "freezes" your whole PC - look elsewhere. Closing invalid. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 HisChild <His__Child(a)hotmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|CLOSED |UNCONFIRMED Resolution|INVALID | Version|unspecified |20050930 --- Comment #5 from HisChild <His__Child(a)hotmail.com> 2007-12-07 15:23:15 --- (In reply to comment #3)
Invalid. Not Wine bug. Mostlikely bad/improperly installed video drivers. Unless of course you running Wine as root. This nothing we can do there either.
My videodrivers are installed fine. I can use D3D in any application with perfect fps. Also, did you read that removing a soundcard helped and fixed it? Doesn't this give you a hint that it isn't the videodrivers? Why is this NOT a wine problem when it ONLY happens with wine? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 --- Comment #6 from Stefan Dösinger <stefandoesinger(a)gmx.at> 2007-12-07 15:25:54 --- then it is invalid installed soundcard drivers. Wine is an application that runs in user mode. A user mode application MUST NOT be able to crash your system, even if it deliberately tries to do it. Otherwise, any malware could crash your system. So it is a kernel bug, or a driver bug. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 --- Comment #7 from Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> 2007-12-07 15:26:57 --- Stefan would you bother to check if ANYTHING got changed after you hit submit button? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID Version|20050930 |unspecified --- Comment #8 from Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> 2007-12-07 15:27:55 --- Bleh NO THIS IS INVALID BUG DO NOT REOPEN! -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Comment #9 from Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> 2007-12-07 15:28:31 --- Closed INVALID DO NOT REOPEN! -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 --- Comment #10 from Stefan Dösinger <stefandoesinger(a)gmx.at> 2007-12-07 15:29:32 --- Vitaliy: Sorry, I am used to getting a mid-air warning if something changed while I was typing. It didn't happen this time for some reason. Race condition in bugzilla? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 HisChild <His__Child(a)hotmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version|unspecified |20050930 --- Comment #11 from HisChild <His__Child(a)hotmail.com> 2007-12-07 15:30:23 ---
Bleh
NO THIS IS INVALID BUG DO NOT REOPEN!
first off, would you mind not shouting. Also, don't you think triple posting is a bit useless? And it still is caused by wine. If i disable EITHER ONE of my sound cards it runs. with BOTH in, it crashes. Doesn't this give you a HINT that it isn't caused by sound drivers? also, i can just use both sound cards at the same time in any other prog. But fine, be ignorant if you wish. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|critical |minor Component|wine-binary |wine-misc Version|20050930 |unspecified --- Comment #12 from Vitaliy Margolen <vitaliy(a)kievinfo.com> 2007-12-07 15:38:50 --- What is your Wine version? Why are you trying to reset it to something that is 2+ years old? And again you should be filing bug with your distro/alsa/kernel. Wine is a user space app. If it can "freeze" your PC so any other app could. "Fixing" Wine would be avoiding the actual problem. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 --- Comment #13 from Stefan Dösinger <stefandoesinger(a)gmx.at> 2007-12-07 15:41:50 --- I'm sorry, but a user mode application must not be able to crash your system. This is how modern operating systems are defined. No matter what evil thing the app does, either maliciously or accidentally, the kernel must protect you from harm. If it does not, the kernel is broken. Get any good book about operating system that discusses topics like security, multi-user systems, resource quotas and similar things. They will all confirm what I said. Even if Wine is the old application on earth that crashes your system: If the system crashes, and you are not running Wine as root, it is a bug in your kernel, not wine. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 --- Comment #14 from HisChild <His__Child(a)hotmail.com> 2007-12-07 15:44:17 --- (In reply to comment #13)
I'm sorry, but a user mode application must not be able to crash your system. This is how modern operating systems are defined. No matter what evil thing the app does, either maliciously or accidentally, the kernel must protect you from harm. If it does not, the kernel is broken.
Get any good book about operating system that discusses topics like security, multi-user systems, resource quotas and similar things. They will all confirm what I said.
Even if Wine is the old application on earth that crashes your system: If the system crashes, and you are not running Wine as root, it is a bug in your kernel, not wine.
I'm not using a 2 year old version, i'm running the newest version -,- but i give up. I understand what you're trying to say, but you should know just as well as i do that there are always exceptions to the rule that an app can't crash a system. Anyway, go ahead, delete me, this bug or anything else. If you're unable to read what i'm typing then i can't be arsed to even try to file bug reports. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 Julian W. <Speedator(a)gmx.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |Speedator(a)gmx.de --- Comment #15 from Julian W. <Speedator(a)gmx.de> 2007-12-07 18:19:29 --- Is there a dialog with the developers of the related stuff? You are right, that is not a problem with wine, but one that often occurs. So is there a dialog between wine-developers(knowing there real issue more detailed than most users) and the other projects? Seems desirable. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 --- Comment #16 from Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com> 2007-12-07 18:28:06 --- wine is merely exposing the bug, not the source of the bug. The bug could be in X, your drivers, your kernel, ALSA, etc. The best recourse would be to file a bug in your distribution, who are more likely to know the best place to file this issue. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.
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