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Services
by Martin Wilck 25 Oct '02

25 Oct '02

I have had a look at dlls/advapi/services.c and found that it is pretty incomplete. Can anybody tell what the current implementation is used for (are there any known programs starting services?) In particular I'd like to know what people generally think about the usefulness of Services in Wine. The fact that wine cannot change user personalities and is lacking most of the NT security concepts makes services pretty useless. However it may be desirable to translate services into something useful on Unix, especially for winelib (it would be useful for the app I am trying to port). Has there been a discussion yet how to set this up without compromising system security? Martin -- Martin Wilck Phone: +49 5251 8 15113 Fujitsu Siemens Computers Fax: +49 5251 8 20409 Heinz-Nixdorf-Ring 1 mailto:Martin.Wilck(a)Fujitsu-Siemens.com D-33106 Paderborn http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/primergy

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eTax status report
by Ben Stanley 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Hi, I have now completed using the eTax program from the Australian Taxation Office (http://etax.ato.gov.au) under wine, and have some concluding remarks. * Yellow Note Popups over buttons: these notes pop up almost immediately you put your mouse over a button, and if you click on them, the button does not respond. This causes great user frustration, as you point the mouse at a button, click the mouse, and nothing happens because the popup note appeared and stole the mouse click. Perhaps this could be solved by moving the popup note position so that it's not directly under the mouse pointer? I don't know if this is an etax problem or a wine problem. Workaround: move mouse over button and click again, or be very quick with your mouse click the first time. * ListView (tree): when hovering over items with long names, the same popup note appears, and also greedily steals mouse clicks, preventing you from selecting the item underneath. The note must pass the mouse click through for proper handling by the list item. Workaround: Wait for popup to disappear and then click on list item. * I had some refresh issues with the print preview section of the program. When it draws a page for the first time, all form fields appear to be filled in correctly, but when scrolling the form fields are often left blank when they should be filled in. This may be verified by going forward and then back a page, to force a complete re-draw of the original page, and verifying that fields which were previously blank are now drawn properly. * I didn't try to submit the tax return under wine, as I did not know about the wine integration of the web browser which would be used to perform the submission. (I failed to download the security codes under Mozilla, so I resorted to a Windows box for downloanding security codes and submission.) * Help problems, partly to do with launching winhelp from within etax, and also partly because WINE help can't yet read the etax help file properly. I used etax in the desktop windowing mode, as I had problems with both the managed and unmanaged modes. I set all dlls to builtin (except for "*"). This is the first year that I have been able to use eTax to do the tax return. I want to thank all of the wine contributors for making it possible! Last year I gave up and used a Windows box for the whole thing. Ben Stanley

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Re: Services
by Dustin Navea 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

--- Steve Langasek <vorlon(a)dodds.net> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 11:19:21AM -0700, Dustin > Navea wrote: > > > --- Steve Langasek <vorlon(a)dodds.net> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 08:08:49AM -0700, Dustin > > > Navea wrote: > > > > Just as wine should not be run as root, file i/o > in > > > wine should NEVER be > > > done in a security context other than that of > the > > > user running the Windows > > > app. Anything that would cause user data files > to > > > be written out under a > > > different uid is broken. > > > Thats not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is > this: > > Yes, that *is* what you're saying. Having the file > get saved to the Unix > fs with owner and group wine is most definitely a > user data file "[being] > written out under a different uid." That is > absolutely out of the > question. I will never knowingly permit software > that works this way > to be installed on my systems. > Not exactly, because as the fact that wine is the program saving it, and wine is running under user/group wine (in the future), it will save it as user/group wine. > > So he goes and changes the owner/group to > > speeddy/speeddy, oepns the file in kword, adds a > few > > more lines, and saves it. > > Um, and how exactly is this supposed to happen on a > multiuser system? You > *cannot* change the ownership of a file without root > privileges. that is what im saying, he does: sudo chown speeddy.speeddy /path/to/filename At best, > if you have write perms on the directory the file's > in and you have read > access to the file, you can copy the file and delete > the original, giving > you a single copy that's owned by you. But this is > only the least of the > reasons why Windows apps should not be writing to > files as user "wine" to > begin with. I knew that much already ;) But if wine is to run as a "service" (i.e. load at bootup via an initscript) and acutally be functional as well as user-friendly, it will have to run in it's own account, just like apache and pgsql do and like i believe named does... -Dustin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

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Why would Installshield want WINSPOOL.DRV
by David.Goodenough＠DGA.co.uk 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

I was asked by my son to install a couple of games for him on his Linux laptop. Wine is installed (at the current Debian unstable level) but when I try to run the installer, which says it is InstallShield, it gets to 99% and stops, and the console says that it can not load WINSPOOL.DRV. Firstly I can think of no good reason for InstallShield to want this (can anyone else, as far as I know this game - Star Trek Elite Force - does not have a print facility), and secondly what do you think is my best route fix the problem. There are some Windows machines (98/ME/NT4) in the house, I am using Win 98 mode in Wine, which machine should I copy WINSPOOL.DRV from if it will help? Thanks in advance David

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Third listview status update
by Dimitrie O. Paun 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Folks, With my latest W-series patches, the listview should now be a pleasure to work with: fast, *no* flicker, etc. It should be a lot better than before I started working on it. If this is not the case (there are regressions, there is nasty flicker *anywhere*, it's slow, or in general it's not a pleasure to interact with it, i.e. you don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling) let me know now. Internally, the code is a lot cleaner. I have started on Sep. 9, 2002, at revision 1.138. A month and a half, and almost 150 revisions later, most of the code has changed multiple times. Large number of visible, and mostly invisible bugs have been fixed, a lot of corner cases covered, features implemented, listview has been made scalable, flicker has been eliminated by redrawing the absolute minimum, etc. We are now on solid ground to implement more stuff. This has been an extenuating exercise. I am tired, and on top of it all, real life has knocked on my door. This does not mean I'll stop working on it, but it probably means that I will not be able to put as much time into it. For the above mentioned reasons, I think it's best for everybody if we stabilize the code as much as possible, before we start working on the large number of missing features. For this I need your help -- the few apps that I test with work just fine now. I would like to thank everybody that helped me with testing, patches, or reporting bugs. I couldn't have done the half of it without that support. This sounds like this is a done deal. It's not. There's a lot of stuff that remains to be done, but I needed some closure. :) -- Dimi.

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Impressive success
by John K. Hohm 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

I just got an ATAPI Plextor PlexWriter 40/12/40A (which rocks), and Plextor's Win32-only firmware updater worked flawlessly in wine, a few months old CVS. Kudos to all involved in supporting that sort of access!

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Re: wine not detecting CUPS printers
by Dan Fer 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

>From: "Dan Fer" <ezra_daniel(a)hotmail.com> >To: wine-devel(a)winehq.com >Subject: wine not detecting wine printers >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:32:09 +0200 > > > > >Has anyone tried using cups under Wine in any of the latest builds? > >I tried to builds from this month and none detect any printer. > >Is there a patch? Anything I could use to fix it? > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN. Más Útil Cada Día http://www.msn.es/intmap/ _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.microsoft.com/es

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Re: French resources
by Vincent Béron 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Le mer 23/10/2002 à 16:09, Vincent Béron a écrit : > This brings some French resources up-to-date with the English ones. > There are 3 resources not yet done: dlls/avifil32/avifil32_Fr.rc, > dlls/comctl32/comctl_Fr.rc and programs/winefile/Fr.rc. > > Plus it corrects a small typo in Shell32_En.rc. > > License: X11 and LGPL, as usual > > Changelog > Bring some French resources in sync with English ones. > > Vincent > ---- > Alexandre, Forget the programs/progman/Fr.rc from this patch. The one you just commited is better. But the rest of the patch is meant to be applied. Do you want me to resend a new one without that file? Vincent

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Re: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Fwd: Opinions on running VST or DirectX plugins
by chrismorgan＠rcn.com 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

Just so people don't think the code has fallen off of the face of the planet ;-) Currently I'm working on two things with the wine jack driver , one of which needs to be complete before I submit the patch, the other can wait until some ongoing jack support is complete. 1. The driver currently closes and opens jack connections synchronously with wodOpen and wodClose. The problem is that jack doesn't actually close the clients right away, sometimes it can take many seconds for this to occur. Apparently this is a known jack bug but I'm also wondering if this is a problem in wines pthread implementation of conditions(there is no support for them right now). Either way I've implemented a workaround that basically consists of opening jack connections and marking them as in-use or available as apps open or close audio devices. This behavior can be enabled/disabled via a define in the driver. This isn't complete yet but it should be soon and would prevent the lockups and delays that currently make things a pain. 2. I don't know of an easy way to do resampling so the input audio matches the sample rate that jack expects. What I want is to be able to do something along the lines of: set_sample_rates(input_rate, jack_output_rate); set_resample_algorithm(x); /* pick a reasonable algorithm based on the current cpu and latency requirements */ And then in the callback routine something like: resample(audio_data_in, *audio_data_out); I haven't found anything even close to this simple as of yet, if anyone has any suggestions feel free to mail me about them. There is someone on the jack mailing list working on a resampling library that is supposed to be easy to use and flexable. Either way, this isn't critical although your music sounds funny if your sample rates don't line up very well ;-) Otherwise I'm also looking into a crash with using the jack driver and directsound that might be due to the client process and memory allocation. After working on the arts driver I realized that the future of audio servers really is callback based. It is quite frustrating to see so little use of jack and so much use of poor solutions like direct hardware drivers(alsa/oss) or high latency servers like artsd. No offense intended to people that work on or use either of those audio solutions, it just doesn't make sense when you want to have multiple apps outputting audio at the same time or if you need low latency(high end audio, games?, etc). I'll see what I can do to get things cleaned up and a patch submitted in the next week, conditional of course upon Alexandre accepting jack support into wine. At least now I have someone other than myself with an interest in using jack and wine together ;-) Thanks, Chris > > From: "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> > Date: 2002/10/23 Wed PM 12:18:13 EDT > To: linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu > CC: wine-devel(a)winehq.com > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Fwd: Opinions on running VST or DirectX plugins > on Linux in real time > > > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Taybin Rutkin wrote: > > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > > > > Could it be possible to overcome all problems mentioned just by simply > > > adding jack-support to the wine-server? Then someone could make a simple > > > windows-program for chaining directx and vst plug-ins. > > > > Someone has done this, I believe: > > http://kt.zork.net/wine/wn20021011_139.html#2 > > > Wow, it allready exist. Hey, wine-people, this driver is really needed for > real-time audio-work, and for programs as sound-editors, multitrackers > and interactive dsp programs as pd, jmax, and a lot of others. Artsd > (f.ex) is not an alternative in its current form, and probably never will > be either. Its something else. I guess Paul or some other competant person > can explain a bit more why jack is so important. > > > -- > > > > >

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Re: using native regedit
by Jeff Smith 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

I did some testing and found that *\\whatever.exe does not work, while *whatever.exe does. In case anyone thinks to themselves, "but that could cause problems for xwhatever.exe!", I tested further and found that it only affects programs with the name whatever.exe and not those such as xwhatever.exe. -- Jeff S. >We could add this to show different behaviours : > >; you can specify applications too >; This one will apply for all notepad.exe >;"*\\notepad.exe" = "native, builtin" >; This one will apply only for a particular file >;"C:\\regedit.exe" = "native, builtin" > >Is everyone ok ? _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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