Ahh, with 0.9.12, we are one step away from using Java!! So far, I have tried to use a Java-based game that provides it's own JRE in Wine. It start up fast, and i do mean *fast*, and displays the game's splash-banner, and draws a quick black all over the screen (which other X clients remove by repainting their windows). It then decides to crash, but alas, it did do *something*. javaw.exe -version gives this: java version "1.4.0_01" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.0_01-b03) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.0_01-b03, mixed mode) the crash gives just this, and nothing more: swapper.jar: stack smashing attack in function WAVEMAP_widMessage() Aborted -- The real problem with C++ for kernel modules is: the language just sucks. -- Linus Torvalds