Celebrating some hard work

[Jeremy White]

Hi folks,

You may have noticed Rob submitting a long string of OLE
patches.

That is formally the last set of 'hard work' we planned to
do as part of our work on our 5.0 release.  Now we just
have to do the 'easy part' - stabilizing for release <g>.

The big picture items included the window manager rewrite,
the OLE/COM work, and the work on MSI.

I'd like to take a minute to thank all the people, both
inside and outside CodeWeavers, that helped to work on
these projects.

I think that these tasks represent a fairly signficant
milestone for Wine - we seem to have enough working that
Alexandre is willing to contemplate a non alpha release;
that's a pretty big deal.  (Another 11 years, and maybe 1.0
will actually happen :-/).

At any rate, this work has been a bit hard on us, because
it's largely been under the hood, unsexy work that tends
to cause regressions.  So from a customer perspective, the
rational analysis is:  "you did all that work and now my
windows don't scroll right?  Morons!"

But one of the key benefits that the OLE/MSI work gives
us, in particular, is that we can now intelligently
debug issues with COM, which was always a nightmare
to debug before.

And, as you all probably know, many installers rely heavily
on both COM and MSI to do their work.

So we now believe that many, many more installers will
'just work' than before.  And we further believe that those
that don't work can be fixed in a much more straightforward
way.

Thus, I am now making good on my promise to
lock Rob and Aric in a room and make installers go.
We've announced a formal, CrossOver based program over
on our web site.  However, I wanted to let you know that
we'll do the same on an informal basis, particularly
for known Wine developers.

I'm hoping that as a result of this work we'll soon be able
to claim with a straight face:  "Most things install."

So, if you have an app that doesn't install, post a message
to wine-devel, and let's see if we can't make some lemonade
and have a party!

Cheers,

Jeremy

[Hiji]

> Thus, I am now making good on my promise to
> lock Rob and Aric in a room and make installers go.
>
> So, if you have an app that doesn't install, post a
> message
> to wine-devel, and let's see if we can't make some
> lemonade
> and have a party!

Celebration time!!! :) :)  This is good news to my
eyes...

Hiji

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[Uwe Bonnes]

> > > > > "Jeremy" == Jeremy White <jwhite(a)codeweavers.com> writes:

...
    Jeremy> I'm hoping that as a result of this work we'll soon be able to
    Jeremy> claim with a straight face: "Most things install."

    Jeremy> So, if you have an app that doesn't install, post a message to
    Jeremy> wine-devel, and let's see if we can't make some lemonade and
    Jeremy> have a party!

Perhaps Alexandre should post when all the relevant patches are in place so
tests are valid.

Otherwise: Cheers!
-- 
Uwe Bonnes                bon(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik  Schlossgartenstrasse 9  64289 Darmstadt
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[Robert Shearman]

Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> Jeremy> I'm hoping that as a result of this work we'll soon be able to
>    Jeremy> claim with a straight face: "Most things install."
>
> Jeremy> So, if you have an app that doesn't install, post a message to
>    Jeremy> wine-devel, and let's see if we can't make some lemonade and
>    Jeremy> have a party!
>
> Perhaps Alexandre should post when all the relevant patches are in place so
> tests are valid.

I can put all of the patches in to one big patch if anyone wants to test 
before the patches are committed.

Here is a list of some of the applications I tested with:
Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.01 - has some graphical glitches and requires IE 
to be installed but still installs. InstallShield.
iTunes - Has some stability problems - sometimes deadlocks (due to 
marshaling proxies?), but installs most of the time. InstallShield.
Halo - Installs fine.
Everquest - Installs fine.
Dark Ages of Camelot - Installs fine.
World of Warcraft - Installs fine.
Starcraft - Installs fine.
Wordperfect Office 12 - Installs fine. InstallShield.
CSI Dark Motives - Installs fine. InstallShield.
Google Earth - Installs fine. InstallShield.
X-Win32 LX - Installs fine. InstallShield.
Sims 2 (CD) - Leaves files open on CD so can't install.
Final Fantasy XI - Hangs during install. InstallShield.
Call of Duty - Leaves setup.exe open on CD so can't change disks.
Palm Desktop - Fails as it requires interprocess ROT. InstallShield.
Battlefield 2 - Hangs during install. InstallShield.

-- 
Rob Shearman

[Felix Nawothnig]

Robert Shearman wrote:
> I can put all of the patches in to one big patch if anyone wants to test 
> before the patches are committed.

I'd appreciate it.

Felix

[Alexandre Julliard]

Uwe Bonnes <bon(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> writes:
> Perhaps Alexandre should post when all the relevant patches are in place so
> tests are valid.

Everything should be in now (with many thanks to Rob for doing a great
job of splitting his work in small self-contained chunks).

-- 
Alexandre Julliard
julliard(a)winehq.org

[Dimi Paun]

From: "Alexandre Julliard" <julliard(a)winehq.org>
> Everything should be in now (with many thanks to Rob for doing a great
> job of splitting his work in small self-contained chunks).

Yeah -- this was one of the nicest patch set I've seen in a while.

Guys, this is simply *amazing*! I'm in constant awe at the quality
and volume of the patches that I've seen lately, to speak nothing of
the difficulty behind them.

Kudos!

-- 
Dimi Paun <dimi(a)lattica.com>
Lattica, Inc.

[Hans Leidekker]

On Tuesday 19 July 2005 22:21, Dimi Paun wrote:
> Guys, this is simply *amazing*! I'm in constant awe at the quality
> and volume of the patches that I've seen lately, to speak nothing of
> the difficulty behind them.

Just yesterday I happened to came across this paragraph from the book
Open Sources (from the chapter written by Linus Torvalds), from 1999:
> But the most exciting developments for Linux will happen in user space,
> not kernel space. The changes in the kernel will seem small compared to
> what's happening further out in the system. From this perspective, where
> the Linux kernel will be isn't as interesting a question as what features
> will be in Red Hat 17.5 or where Wine (the Windows emulator) is going to
> be in a few years.

It's a few years later now. Wine hasn't reached 1.0 yet, but Red Hat
hasn't reached 17.5 either ;-) 

 -Hans

[Raphael]

On Tuesday 19 July 2005 16:43, Jeremy White wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> You may have noticed Rob submitting a long string of OLE
> patches.

Champagne ? :)

very impressive job Rob :)

Regards,
Raphael
> Jeremy

[Felix Nawothnig]

Jeremy White wrote:
> So, if you have an app that doesn't install, post a message
> to wine-devel, and let's see if we can't make some lemonade
> and have a party!

Here we go: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3146

Felix