re: Icons, logos, Tango, consistency, the user experience, and our project looks like a 2D champaign flute
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote:
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
+1 -- -Austin
2009/4/17 Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>:
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote:
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
+1
+2 I just don't like the idea of deliberately scheduling decisions in Wine to match Ubuntu (or any other distro) releases. 1.2 should be out when it's done. I could go on a rant about Shuttleworth, but that would be flaming :)
Ben Klein wrote:
2009/4/17 Austin English <austinenglish(a)gmail.com>:
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote:
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
+1
+2
I just don't like the idea of deliberately scheduling decisions in Wine to match Ubuntu (or any other distro) releases. 1.2 should be out when it's done.
I could go on a rant about Shuttleworth, but that would be flaming :)
I was planning to put them in the beta packages anyway, but 90% of our users won't see them until 1.2 comes out (only 10% or so are on the betas). I said "eg Ubuntu" rather than "ie Ubuntu" because Ubuntu is just one of the distros coming out around October, mainly because that's roughly one month after Gnome is releasing. Thanks, Scott Ritchie
Austin English schrieb:
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote:
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
+1
+1 And what about our Website-Logo, it was wrong since the new design. e.g. the fact in which direction the glass falls was never the same as our logo.
I just had a play around with Tango-ifying Wine. The end result was quite pleasing. There aren't too many icons to deal with, so it's not a long job. All I've done here is swap out the shell32 icons, but I think the experience is definitely improved (see shell32.png). Is it worth me submitting the attached patch? I tried doing the same for user32 MessageBox icons, but the end result was less pleasing. These larger icons suffer from Wine's lack of alpha channel support when it comes to icon rendering. Semitransparent areas are rendered in black which looks yucky. I'm quite interested in pursuing this. I've been following wine for a long time, but I've never worked on the code. How hard is it likely to be for me, a wine newbie, to patch for icon alpha support? Joel On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 21:36 -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
I just had a play around with Tango-ifying Wine. The end result was quite pleasing. There aren't too many icons to deal with, so it's not a long job. All I've done here is swap out the shell32 icons, but I think the experience is definitely improved (see shell32.png). Is it worth me submitting the attached patch? I tried doing the same for user32 MessageBox icons, but the end result was less pleasing. These larger icons suffer from Wine's lack of alpha channel support when it comes to icon rendering. Semitransparent areas are rendered in black which looks yucky. I'm quite interested in pursuing this. I've been following wine for a long time, but I've never worked on the code. How hard is it likely to be for me, a wine newbie, to patch for icon alpha support? Joel On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 21:36 -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
Hi, Apologies if you've already read this - I've been having trouble getting the message to go through. I just had a play around with Tango-ifying Wine. The end result was quite pleasing. There aren't too many icons to deal with, so it's not a long job. All I've done here is swap out the shell32 icons, but I think the experience is definitely improved (see http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/shell32.png ). Is it worth me submitting the patch? http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/0001-Replaced-shell32-icons-with-Tango-icons.... I tried doing the same for user32 MessageBox icons, but the end result was less pleasing. These larger icons suffer from Wine's lack of alpha channel support when it comes to icon rendering. Semitransparent areas are rendered in black which looks yucky. I'm quite interested in pursuing this. I've been following wine for a long time, but I've never worked on the code. How hard is it likely to be for me, a wine newbie, to patch for icon alpha support? Joel On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 21:36 -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Joel Holdsworth <joel(a)airwebreathe.org.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Apologies if you've already read this - I've been having trouble getting the message to go through.
I just had a play around with Tango-ifying Wine. The end result was quite pleasing. There aren't too many icons to deal with, so it's not a long job.
All I've done here is swap out the shell32 icons, but I think the experience is definitely improved (see http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/shell32.png ). Is it worth me submitting the patch?
http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/0001-Replaced-shell32-icons-with-Tango-icons....
I tried doing the same for user32 MessageBox icons, but the end result was less pleasing. These larger icons suffer from Wine's lack of alpha channel support when it comes to icon rendering. Semitransparent areas are rendered in black which looks yucky.
I'm quite interested in pursuing this. I've been following wine for a long time, but I've never worked on the code. How hard is it likely to be for me, a wine newbie, to patch for icon alpha support?
Joel
I wouldn't be against having these patches in Wine. Half a year or so ago I was also looking at this but at that time this icon set was still under the creative commons license. The developers were willing to relicense the icons under the LGPL (they also mentioned that eventually the icons would become public domain but at that time it looked to happen months away). I'm glad that they are public domain now. Roderick
2009/4/17 Roderick Colenbrander <thunderbird2k(a)gmail.com>:
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Joel Holdsworth <joel(a)airwebreathe.org.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Apologies if you've already read this - I've been having trouble getting the message to go through.
I just had a play around with Tango-ifying Wine. The end result was quite pleasing. There aren't too many icons to deal with, so it's not a long job.
All I've done here is swap out the shell32 icons, but I think the experience is definitely improved (see http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/shell32.png ). Is it worth me submitting the patch?
http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/0001-Replaced-shell32-icons-with-Tango-icons....
I tried doing the same for user32 MessageBox icons, but the end result was less pleasing. These larger icons suffer from Wine's lack of alpha channel support when it comes to icon rendering. Semitransparent areas are rendered in black which looks yucky.
I'm quite interested in pursuing this. I've been following wine for a long time, but I've never worked on the code. How hard is it likely to be for me, a wine newbie, to patch for icon alpha support?
Joel
I wouldn't be against having these patches in Wine. Half a year or so ago I was also looking at this but at that time this icon set was still under the creative commons license. The developers were willing to relicense the icons under the LGPL (they also mentioned that eventually the icons would become public domain but at that time it looked to happen months away). I'm glad that they are public domain now.
Roderick
Congrats, it looks very nice and i hope it'll be included in the near future. Are there plans to support transparency? I hate to see a black background with icons...
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Warren Dumortier <nwarrenfl(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2009/4/17 Roderick Colenbrander <thunderbird2k(a)gmail.com>:
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Joel Holdsworth <joel(a)airwebreathe.org.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Apologies if you've already read this - I've been having trouble getting the message to go through.
I just had a play around with Tango-ifying Wine. The end result was quite pleasing. There aren't too many icons to deal with, so it's not a long job.
All I've done here is swap out the shell32 icons, but I think the experience is definitely improved (see http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/shell32.png ). Is it worth me submitting the patch?
http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/0001-Replaced-shell32-icons-with-Tango-icons....
I tried doing the same for user32 MessageBox icons, but the end result was less pleasing. These larger icons suffer from Wine's lack of alpha channel support when it comes to icon rendering. Semitransparent areas are rendered in black which looks yucky.
I'm quite interested in pursuing this. I've been following wine for a long time, but I've never worked on the code. How hard is it likely to be for me, a wine newbie, to patch for icon alpha support?
Joel
I wouldn't be against having these patches in Wine. Half a year or so ago I was also looking at this but at that time this icon set was still under the creative commons license. The developers were willing to relicense the icons under the LGPL (they also mentioned that eventually the icons would become public domain but at that time it looked to happen months away). I'm glad that they are public domain now.
Roderick
Congrats, it looks very nice and i hope it'll be included in the near future. Are there plans to support transparency? I hate to see a black background with icons...
We do support transparency. Fancy alpha blending effects might not work but this should work I think. It might depend on the file type which was used and perhaps the setting of a color key in a palette (look for other wine apps which uses, some of them must be using transparency). Further apps like Office 2007 must also be using it and the app looks fine. Roderick
We do support transparency. Fancy alpha blending effects might not work but this should work I think. It might depend on the file type which was used and perhaps the setting of a color key in a palette (look for other wine apps which uses, some of them must be using transparency). Further apps like Office 2007 must also be using it and the app looks fine.
Well as this screenshot shows, something is broken: http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/no-alpha.png . It may be that key transparency is supported but full alpha transparency channels are not. Something is wrong here, because the icons show up perfectly fine in any app I care to open them with.
2009/4/18 Joel Holdsworth <joel(a)airwebreathe.org.uk>:
We do support transparency. Fancy alpha blending effects might not work but this should work I think. It might depend on the file type which was used and perhaps the setting of a color key in a palette (look for other wine apps which uses, some of them must be using transparency). Further apps like Office 2007 must also be using it and the app looks fine.
Well as this screenshot shows, something is broken: http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/no-alpha.png . It may be that key transparency is supported but full alpha transparency channels are not. Something is wrong here, because the icons show up perfectly fine in any app I care to open them with.
Yeah, AlphaBlending is not supported (hence the diagonals look jagged) -- theming is also affected. NOTE: I have seen this happen on other Windows apps running on Windows. You need to have the image support an alpha channel - which I'm not sure icons do. I'm not sure of the API calls that are required, though, so it may require some changes to the static control support to render the bitmaps using alpha (in addition to keyed) transparency. - Reece
Hi, thanks for your work, its great. i just patch my wine with it ;) The only negativ point would be the color for me. i rather would see it in "Windowsyellow" just to keep a bit of the look and feel. Joel Holdsworth schrieb:
Hi,
Apologies if you've already read this - I've been having trouble getting the message to go through.
I just had a play around with Tango-ifying Wine. The end result was quite pleasing. There aren't too many icons to deal with, so it's not a long job.
All I've done here is swap out the shell32 icons, but I think the experience is definitely improved (see http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/shell32.png ). Is it worth me submitting the patch?
http://www.airwebreathe.org.uk/0001-Replaced-shell32-icons-with-Tango-icons....
I tried doing the same for user32 MessageBox icons, but the end result was less pleasing. These larger icons suffer from Wine's lack of alpha channel support when it comes to icon rendering. Semitransparent areas are rendered in black which looks yucky.
I'm quite interested in pursuing this. I've been following wine for a long time, but I've never worked on the code. How hard is it likely to be for me, a wine newbie, to patch for icon alpha support?
Joel
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 21:36 -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
The Ubuntu Studio logos look fine. I'd be happy with adopting them if they really make Wine fit in better with modern desktops. No need to wait for 1.2, just check 'em in now, 1.2 will be along soon enough.
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