Hello all, My machine: Linux-gentoo, wine 20050725 I'm quite new to wine, just installed it in order to use dns8, of which I have the french version. I looked at recent threads on this list and have been more or less hopeful, but right now I have had no success; here is the log of my last attempt with the command "wine setup.exe": === Début de l'écriture dans le journal : 22/08/2005 14:18:02 === Début de l'action 14:18:02 : INSTALL. Début de l'action 14:18:02 : ISMsiServerStartup. Fin de l'action 14:18:03 : ISMsiServerStartup. Valeur renvoyée : 1. 1: The InstallScript engine version currently installed on this machine is adequate. Début de l'action 14:18:03 : ISStartup. 1: Event 'E183186' is created 1: GetInstallDriver, Can not find InstallDriver in ROT table, Return Code = 0x800401e3 1: {DDDD0C4B-57F7-4A85-ACF0-DB3FC8F1DBB4} 1: ISMsiServerStartup Failure. Unknown Exception. Fin de l'action 14:18:03 : ISMsiServerStartup. Valeur renvoyée : 1603. 1: ISStartUp Failure. OpenEvent, Error = 0x2 Fin de l'action 14:18:03 : ISStartup. Valeur renvoyée : 3. Début de l'action 14:18:03 : SetupCompleteError. Informations 2898. Tahoma8, Tahoma, 0 Informations 2898. TahomaBold10, Tahoma, 0 Début de l'action 14:18:06 : ISCleanUpFatalExit. Fin de l'action 14:18:06 : ISCleanUpFatalExit. Valeur renvoyée : 3. DEBUG: Error 2896: Executing action ISCleanUpFatalExit failed. Erreur interne 2896. ISCleanUpFatalExit Fin de l'action 14:18:06 : SetupCompleteError. Valeur renvoyée : 3. Fin de l'action 14:18:06 : INSTALL. Valeur renvoyée : 3. === Fin de l'écriture dans le journal : 22/08/2005 14:18:06 === MSI (c) (0C:0E): Produit : Dragon NaturallySpeaking 8 -- L'installation a échoué. The eighth line of this seems to be tne interesting one; what would this InstallDriver and this ROT table be? Can I find them somewhere? Any hope still? TIA, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
This goes back a few months but I recall helping a guy who was trying to get ns8 german working (multilang in fact so it may be the same you have). I advised him to he would likely get further with v7 , initially he persisted with his efforts on ns8 (and he seemed pretty capable) then came round to my way of thinking and got v7 sorted fairly quickly. That's all I can tell you about v8. If you want to try v7 I think I put some more info (wine version etc) in the wine app DB, plus you already have my posts here it seems. Sorry I cant be more help , but I am pretty sure the rec. engine is just the same and you probably would not get any than some interprocess tweeks that wont be of any use on Wine , and maybe some install/security headaches. HTH On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:43:49 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
Hello all,
My machine: Linux-gentoo, wine 20050725
I'm quite new to wine, just installed it in order to use dns8, of which I have the french version. I looked at recent threads on this list and have been more or less hopeful, but right now I have had no success; here is the log of my last attempt with the command "wine setup.exe":
=== Début de l'écriture dans le journal : 22/08/2005 14:18:02 === Début de l'action 14:18:02 : INSTALL. Début de l'action 14:18:02 : ISMsiServerStartup. Fin de l'action 14:18:03 : ISMsiServerStartup. Valeur renvoyée : 1. 1: The InstallScript engine version currently installed on this machine is adequate. Début de l'action 14:18:03 : ISStartup. 1: Event 'E183186' is created 1: GetInstallDriver, Can not find InstallDriver in ROT table, Return Code = 0x800401e3 1: {DDDD0C4B-57F7-4A85-ACF0-DB3FC8F1DBB4} 1: ISMsiServerStartup Failure. Unknown Exception. Fin de l'action 14:18:03 : ISMsiServerStartup. Valeur renvoyée : 1603. 1: ISStartUp Failure. OpenEvent, Error = 0x2 Fin de l'action 14:18:03 : ISStartup. Valeur renvoyée : 3. Début de l'action 14:18:03 : SetupCompleteError. Informations 2898. Tahoma8, Tahoma, 0 Informations 2898. TahomaBold10, Tahoma, 0 Début de l'action 14:18:06 : ISCleanUpFatalExit. Fin de l'action 14:18:06 : ISCleanUpFatalExit. Valeur renvoyée : 3. DEBUG: Error 2896: Executing action ISCleanUpFatalExit failed. Erreur interne 2896. ISCleanUpFatalExit Fin de l'action 14:18:06 : SetupCompleteError. Valeur renvoyée : 3. Fin de l'action 14:18:06 : INSTALL. Valeur renvoyée : 3. === Fin de l'écriture dans le journal : 22/08/2005 14:18:06 === MSI (c) (0C:0E): Produit : Dragon NaturallySpeaking 8 -- L'installation a échoué.
The eighth line of this seems to be tne interesting one; what would this InstallDriver and this ROT table be? Can I find them somewhere? Any hope still? TIA,
Le 22 août à 19:49:56 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | This goes back a few months but I recall helping a guy who was trying to | get ns8 german working (multilang in fact so it may be the same you have).
| I advised him to he would likely get further with v7 , initially he | persisted with his efforts on ns8 (and he seemed pretty capable) then came | round to my way of thinking and got v7 sorted fairly quickly.
| That's all I can tell you about v8.
| If you want to try v7 I think I put some more info (wine version etc) in | the wine app DB, plus you already have my posts here it seems.
| Sorry I cant be more help , but I am pretty sure the rec. engine is just | the same and you probably would not get any than some interprocess tweeks | that wont be of any use on Wine , and maybe some install/security | headaches. Well I don't have v7 and I don't think I could install it from the package they sent me... so I will soon be quite frustrated with that :-( unless there is a miracle! Thanks anyway, maybe someone has some other idea? -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:13:54 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
Well I don't have v7 and I don't think I could install it from the package they sent me... so I will soon be quite frustrated with that unless there is a miracle! Thanks anyway, maybe someone has some other idea?
Well if you have paid them for the v8 product why not ask them to support it or give you a free down-grade! I've read that they have tested NS on Linux (some redhat version if I recall) so they are not blind to the potencial market Linux presents and that there is no credible equivalent on Linux. Dont know until you ask!
Le 22 août à 23:28:43 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:13:54 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
| > Well I don't have v7 and I don't think I could install it from the | > package they sent me... so I will soon be quite frustrated with that | > unless there is a miracle! | > Thanks anyway, maybe someone has some other idea?
| Well if you have paid them for the v8 product why not ask them to support | it or give you a free down-grade!
| I've read that they have tested NS on Linux (some redhat version if I | recall) so they are not blind to the potencial market Linux presents and | that there is no credible equivalent on Linux.
| Dont know until you ask!
Quite right! I'll ask them cheers, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
Le 23 août à 06:00:34 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment: | Le 22 août à 23:28:43 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment:
| | On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:13:54 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | | <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote: | > | | > Well I don't have v7 and I don't think I could install it from the | | > package they sent me... so I will soon be quite frustrated with that | | > unless there is a miracle! | | > Thanks anyway, maybe someone has some other idea? | > | > | | Well if you have paid them for the v8 product why not ask them to support | | it or give you a free down-grade! | > | | I've read that they have tested NS on Linux (some redhat version if I | | recall) so they are not blind to the potencial market Linux presents and | | that there is no credible equivalent on Linux. | > | | Dont know until you ask! | > | Quite right! | I'll ask them Hi, I have a v7 ns now but installation fails for some other reason, which I don't understand: jean(a)borlap /mnt/cdrom % wine setup.exe wine: Unhandled exception (thread 000b), starting debugger... WineDbg starting on pid 0xa Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x00000000 in 32-bit code (0x7 723c207). In 32 bit mode. Register dump: CS:0073 SS:007b DS:007b ES:007b FS:003b GS:0033 EIP:7723c207 ESP:7fc3f224 EBP:7fc3f25c EFLAGS:00210246( - 00 -RIZP1) EAX:00000000 EBX:cfffffff ECX:771b554c EDX:7fc3f258 ESI:00000000 EDI:772bdb78 Stack dump: 0x7fc3f224: 00000000 00406488 771b1bc0 00000000 0x7fc3f234: 00000000 00000000 771ce02a 7fc3f25c 0x7fc3f244: 00000000 00000000 00000010 00000000 0x7fc3f254: 00000000 00000000 7fc3f2b0 771c292d 0x7fc3f264: 00000000 00000017 00000000 00406488 0x7fc3f274: 771b1994 7fc3f2ac 00000000 771c29cd Backtrace: =>1 0x7723c207 in ole32 (+0x8c207) (0x7fc3f25c) 2 0x771c292d CoCreateInstance+0x7b6 in ole32 (0x7fc3f2b0) 3 0x771c2095 in ole32 (+0x12095) (0x7fc3f324) 4 0x7fc3f374 (0x00000000) 0x7723c207: movl 0x0(%eax),%ecx Modules: Module Address Debug info Name (52 modules) PE 0x00400000-00425000 Deferred setup2 PE 0x65340000-653db000 Deferred oleaut32 PE 0x771b0000-772d1000 Export ole32 PE 0x78000000-78086000 Deferred rpcrt4 ELF 0x7be95000-7bf00000 Deferred ntdll<elf> \-PE 0x7beb0000-7bf00000 \ ntdll ELF 0x7bf00000-7bf03000 Deferred <wine-loader> ELF 0x7f597000-7f59f000 Deferred libxrender.so.1 ELF 0x7f5b4000-7f5cf000 Deferred imm32<elf> \-PE 0x7f5c0000-7f5cf000 \ imm32 ELF 0x7f5cf000-7f5ec000 Deferred ximcp.so.2 ELF 0x7f5ec000-7f662000 Deferred libgl.so.1 ELF 0x7f662000-7f730000 Deferred libx11.so.6 ELF 0x7f730000-7f748000 Deferred libice.so.6 ELF 0x7f748000-7f7ba000 Deferred winex11.drv<elf> \-PE 0x7f760000-7f7ba000 \ winex11.drv ELF 0x7f7ba000-7f7df000 Deferred libexpat.so.0 ELF 0x7f7df000-7f809000 Deferred libfontconfig.so.1 ELF 0x7f809000-7f81b000 Deferred libz.so.1 ELF 0x7f81b000-7f88b000 Deferred libfreetype.so.6 ELF 0x7f89d000-7f8a0000 Deferred xlcdef.so.2 ELF 0x7f8b5000-7f8c9000 Deferred lz32<elf> \-PE 0x7f8c0000-7f8c9000 \ lz32 ELF 0x7f8c9000-7f8e2000 Deferred version<elf> \-PE 0x7f8d0000-7f8e2000 \ version ELF 0x7f8e2000-7f91a000 Deferred advapi32<elf> \-PE 0x7f8f0000-7f91a000 \ advapi32 ELF 0x7f91a000-7f99a000 Deferred gdi32<elf> \-PE 0x7f930000-7f99a000 \ gdi32 ELF 0x7f99a000-7faa7000 Deferred user32<elf> \-PE 0x7f9c0000-7faa7000 \ user32 ELF 0x7faa7000-7fb40000 Deferred comctl32<elf> \-PE 0x7fac0000-7fb40000 \ comctl32 ELF 0x7fc46000-7fc50000 Deferred libxcursor.so.1.0.2 ELF 0x7fc55000-7fc59000 Deferred iso8859-15.so ELF 0x7fc8c000-7fd80000 Deferred kernel32<elf> \-PE 0x7fcb0000-7fd80000 \ kernel32 ELF 0x7fe91000-7fea0000 Deferred libxext.so.6 ELF 0x7fea0000-7feb5000 Deferred libnsl.so.1 ELF 0x7feb5000-7febe000 Deferred libnss_compat.so.2 ELF 0x7fec9000-7fece000 Deferred libxxf86vm.so.1 ELF 0x7fece000-7fed3000 Deferred libxxf86dga.so.1 ELF 0x7fed3000-7fef6000 Deferred libm.so.6 ELF 0x7fef6000-7ffeb000 Deferred libwine_unicode.so.1 ELF 0x7ffec000-7fff4000 Deferred libsm.so.6 ELF 0x7fff4000-7fffe000 Deferred libnss_files.so.2 ELF 0xb7dc0000-b7dca000 Deferred libnss_nis.so.2 ELF 0xb7dca000-b7dce000 Deferred libdl.so.2 ELF 0xb7dce000-b7ee3000 Deferred libc.so.6 ELF 0xb7ee3000-b7f35000 Deferred libpthread.so.0 ELF 0xb7f36000-b7f4f000 Deferred libwine.so.1 ELF 0xb7f64000-b7f7b000 Deferred ld-linux.so.2 Threads: process tid prio (all id:s are in hex) 0000000a (D) E:\setup2.exe 0000000b 0 <== 00000008 00000009 0 WineDbg terminated on pid 0xa Any help welcome, TIA! -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
Le 31 août à 07:36:06 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment: Sorry, I must cancel this message; if IE is launched, the install of ns7 seems to start, but some problems arise; more on this later... | Le 23 août à 06:00:34 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment:
| | Le 22 août à 23:28:43 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | > | | | On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:13:54 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | | | <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote: | | > | | | > Well I don't have v7 and I don't think I could install it from the | | | > package they sent me... so I will soon be quite frustrated with that | | | > unless there is a miracle! | | | > Thanks anyway, maybe someone has some other idea? | | > | | > | | | Well if you have paid them for the v8 product why not ask them to support | | | it or give you a free down-grade! | | > | | | I've read that they have tested NS on Linux (some redhat version if I | | | recall) so they are not blind to the potencial market Linux presents and | | | that there is no credible equivalent on Linux. | | > | | | Dont know until you ask! | | > | | Quite right! | | I'll ask them
| Hi, | I have a v7 ns now but installation fails for some other reason, which I | don't understand:
| jean(a)borlap /mnt/cdrom % wine setup.exe | wine: Unhandled exception (thread 000b), starting debugger... | WineDbg starting on pid 0xa | Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x00000000 in 32-bit code (0x7 | 723c207). | In 32 bit mode. | Register dump: | CS:0073 SS:007b DS:007b ES:007b FS:003b GS:0033 | EIP:7723c207 ESP:7fc3f224 EBP:7fc3f25c EFLAGS:00210246( - 00 -RIZP1) | EAX:00000000 EBX:cfffffff ECX:771b554c EDX:7fc3f258 | ESI:00000000 EDI:772bdb78 | Stack dump: | 0x7fc3f224: 00000000 00406488 771b1bc0 00000000 | 0x7fc3f234: 00000000 00000000 771ce02a 7fc3f25c | 0x7fc3f244: 00000000 00000000 00000010 00000000 | 0x7fc3f254: 00000000 00000000 7fc3f2b0 771c292d | 0x7fc3f264: 00000000 00000017 00000000 00406488 | 0x7fc3f274: 771b1994 7fc3f2ac 00000000 771c29cd | Backtrace: | =>1 0x7723c207 in ole32 (+0x8c207) (0x7fc3f25c) | 2 0x771c292d CoCreateInstance+0x7b6 in ole32 (0x7fc3f2b0) | 3 0x771c2095 in ole32 (+0x12095) (0x7fc3f324) | 4 0x7fc3f374 (0x00000000) | 0x7723c207: movl 0x0(%eax),%ecx | Modules: | Module Address Debug info Name (52 modules) | PE 0x00400000-00425000 Deferred setup2 | PE 0x65340000-653db000 Deferred oleaut32 | PE 0x771b0000-772d1000 Export ole32 | PE 0x78000000-78086000 Deferred rpcrt4 | ELF 0x7be95000-7bf00000 Deferred ntdll<elf> | \-PE 0x7beb0000-7bf00000 \ ntdll | ELF 0x7bf00000-7bf03000 Deferred <wine-loader> | ELF 0x7f597000-7f59f000 Deferred libxrender.so.1 | ELF 0x7f5b4000-7f5cf000 Deferred imm32<elf> | \-PE 0x7f5c0000-7f5cf000 \ imm32 | ELF 0x7f5cf000-7f5ec000 Deferred ximcp.so.2 | ELF 0x7f5ec000-7f662000 Deferred libgl.so.1 | ELF 0x7f662000-7f730000 Deferred libx11.so.6 | ELF 0x7f730000-7f748000 Deferred libice.so.6 | ELF 0x7f748000-7f7ba000 Deferred winex11.drv<elf> | \-PE 0x7f760000-7f7ba000 \ winex11.drv | ELF 0x7f7ba000-7f7df000 Deferred libexpat.so.0 | ELF 0x7f7df000-7f809000 Deferred libfontconfig.so.1 | ELF 0x7f809000-7f81b000 Deferred libz.so.1 | ELF 0x7f81b000-7f88b000 Deferred libfreetype.so.6 | ELF 0x7f89d000-7f8a0000 Deferred xlcdef.so.2 | ELF 0x7f8b5000-7f8c9000 Deferred lz32<elf> | \-PE 0x7f8c0000-7f8c9000 \ lz32 | ELF 0x7f8c9000-7f8e2000 Deferred version<elf> | \-PE 0x7f8d0000-7f8e2000 \ version | ELF 0x7f8e2000-7f91a000 Deferred advapi32<elf> | \-PE 0x7f8f0000-7f91a000 \ advapi32 | ELF 0x7f91a000-7f99a000 Deferred gdi32<elf> | \-PE 0x7f930000-7f99a000 \ gdi32 | ELF 0x7f99a000-7faa7000 Deferred user32<elf> | \-PE 0x7f9c0000-7faa7000 \ user32 | ELF 0x7faa7000-7fb40000 Deferred comctl32<elf> | \-PE 0x7fac0000-7fb40000 \ comctl32 | ELF 0x7fc46000-7fc50000 Deferred libxcursor.so.1.0.2 | ELF 0x7fc55000-7fc59000 Deferred iso8859-15.so | ELF 0x7fc8c000-7fd80000 Deferred kernel32<elf> | \-PE 0x7fcb0000-7fd80000 \ kernel32 | ELF 0x7fe91000-7fea0000 Deferred libxext.so.6 | ELF 0x7fea0000-7feb5000 Deferred libnsl.so.1 | ELF 0x7feb5000-7febe000 Deferred libnss_compat.so.2 | ELF 0x7fec9000-7fece000 Deferred libxxf86vm.so.1 | ELF 0x7fece000-7fed3000 Deferred libxxf86dga.so.1 | ELF 0x7fed3000-7fef6000 Deferred libm.so.6 | ELF 0x7fef6000-7ffeb000 Deferred libwine_unicode.so.1 | ELF 0x7ffec000-7fff4000 Deferred libsm.so.6 | ELF 0x7fff4000-7fffe000 Deferred libnss_files.so.2 | ELF 0xb7dc0000-b7dca000 Deferred libnss_nis.so.2 | ELF 0xb7dca000-b7dce000 Deferred libdl.so.2 | ELF 0xb7dce000-b7ee3000 Deferred libc.so.6 | ELF 0xb7ee3000-b7f35000 Deferred libpthread.so.0 | ELF 0xb7f36000-b7f4f000 Deferred libwine.so.1 | ELF 0xb7f64000-b7f7b000 Deferred ld-linux.so.2 | Threads: | process tid prio (all id:s are in hex) | 0000000a (D) E:\setup2.exe | 0000000b 0 <== | 00000008 | 00000009 0 | WineDbg terminated on pid 0xa
| Any help welcome, TIA! -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
Le 31 août à 09:07:52 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment: | Sorry, I must cancel this message; if IE is launched, the install of ns7 | seems to start, but some problems arise; more on this later... Hi all, Still trying to install ns7, here is what happens: ~wine /mnt/cdrom/setup.exe I get lots of these (and only these): err:ole:marshal_object object doesn't expose interface {be6115a1-7de5-48dc-ad2a-25060e00fce2}, failing with error 0x80004002 err:ole:ClientIdentity_QueryMultipleInterfaces IRemUnknown_RemQueryInterface failed with error 0x80004002 Then appears a window saying (in french) that my machine must be rebooted in order for some windows files to be updated, then I can start the install procedure again. What should I do? tia, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
As far as I can remember those errors are not important. You dont use all the OLE stuff on wine and I dont think most of it is implemented. This should not stop your basic dictation and the text editor from working. The reboot system needs a "wine reboot" from console: bash# wineboot You will get a fair few error message output to the console , most if it about text redraw as your mouse goes over the NS menu items. Nothing that matters. Bonne chance! On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:24:39 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
Le 31 août à 09:07:52 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment:
| Sorry, I must cancel this message; if IE is launched, the install of ns7 | seems to start, but some problems arise; more on this later...
Hi all, Still trying to install ns7, here is what happens:
~wine /mnt/cdrom/setup.exe
I get lots of these (and only these):
err:ole:marshal_object object doesn't expose interface {be6115a1-7de5-48dc-ad2a-25060e00fce2}, failing with error 0x80004002 err:ole:ClientIdentity_QueryMultipleInterfaces IRemUnknown_RemQueryInterface failed with error 0x80004002
Then appears a window saying (in french) that my machine must be rebooted in order for some windows files to be updated, then I can start the install procedure again.
What should I do? tia,
Le 02 septembre à 15:38:36 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | As far as I can remember those errors are not important. You dont use all | the OLE stuff on wine and I dont think most of it is implemented. This | should not stop your basic dictation and the text editor from working.
| The reboot system needs a "wine reboot" from console:
| bash# wineboot OK, but I don't seem to be able to do that; when I try the install, these messages appear, and I don't get the prompt back, unless I Control-C. If then I issue a wineboot command and restart the install, it starts again from the beginning, same thing exactly; if I issue wineboot on another console without killing the first process, nothing seems to happen, and the install cannot be started again. So what can I try now? tia -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
It is possible that you are getting caught out by a modal dialogue that is not being brought to the top of the z-order : ie not comming to the front. I wrote about this in one of my msgs earlier this year but you may have missed it since there was a lot of detail. I found it best to drag the red Dragon Systems splash to one side once it appears. I was being caught out by a simple "OK" button that I could not see and I thought wine was locked up solid ! I hope that helps. Also check the mailing list archive or the appDB for which version I was running at the time. [Regression is a popular term on wine-dev ;) ] I think you can be pretty confident about getting v7 to install if you check back on earlier postings, there were a couple of silly hic-coughs but nothing too hairy. HTH On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:53:59 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
Le 02 septembre à 15:38:36 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment:
| As far as I can remember those errors are not important. You dont use all | the OLE stuff on wine and I dont think most of it is implemented. This | should not stop your basic dictation and the text editor from working.
| The reboot system needs a "wine reboot" from console:
| bash# wineboot
OK, but I don't seem to be able to do that; when I try the install, these messages appear, and I don't get the prompt back, unless I Control-C. If then I issue a wineboot command and restart the install, it starts again from the beginning, same thing exactly; if I issue wineboot on another console without killing the first process, nothing seems to happen, and the install cannot be started again.
So what can I try now? tia
Le 02 septembre à 20:37:50 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | It is possible that you are getting caught out by a modal dialogue that is | not being brought to the top of the z-order : ie not comming to the front. Well thanks, I remember that, I'll have a look tomorrow...
| I wrote about this in one of my msgs earlier this year but you may have | missed it since there was a lot of detail.
| I found it best to drag the red Dragon Systems splash to one side once it | appears. I was being caught out by a simple "OK" button that I could not | see and I thought wine was locked up solid !
| I hope that helps. Also check the mailing list archive or the appDB for | which version I was running at the time. [Regression is a popular term on | wine-dev ;) ]
| I think you can be pretty confident about getting v7 to install if you | check back on earlier postings, there were a couple of silly hic-coughs | but nothing too hairy.
| HTH
Sure do! -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
Le 02 septembre à 20:37:50 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | It is possible that you are getting caught out by a modal dialogue that is | not being brought to the top of the z-order : ie not comming to the front.
| I wrote about this in one of my msgs earlier this year but you may have | missed it since there was a lot of detail.
| I found it best to drag the red Dragon Systems splash to one side once it | appears. I was being caught out by a simple "OK" button that I could not | see and I thought wine was locked up solid !
| I hope that helps. Also check the mailing list archive or the appDB for | which version I was running at the time. [Regression is a popular term on | wine-dev ;) ]
| I think you can be pretty confident about getting v7 to install if you | check back on earlier postings, there were a couple of silly hic-coughs | but nothing too hairy. Hi all, great news, dnsv7 is now installed on my machine. It has been difficult to figure out how to have "wineboot" working; here how I had to proceed: when the install program told me I had to reboot, I first did a simple "wineboot", either as user or root, no effect. Then I tried in a wine menu (in xfce) to click on "KILL all wine processes" and then wineboot, it doesn't work either. Then here's what worked: As root, "ps ax | grep wine", and then looking at pid numbers, kill all of the /usr/bin/wine-preloader processes (there were four or five of them), one after the other. Then as user, wineboot worked. Wonder if this is usual? Never mind, now the issue is to have sound; the volume check does not complete as for now. Strangely, as I have the french version, the text I'm supposed to read for volume check is in english?? I'll check messages from june on this, cheers, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:23:26 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
As root, "ps ax | grep wine", and then looking at pid numbers, kill all of the /usr/bin/wine-preloader processes (there were four or five of them), one after the other. Then as user, wineboot worked. Wonder if this is usual?
Yes I seem to remember having to kill off some wine-preloader processes after failures but not sure if it was in this same context. BTW try pgrep ;)
Never mind, now the issue is to have sound; the volume check does not complete as for now.
Again I think this was covered in earlier posts but I seem to recall wine not being able to control the recording level. I set it to a suitable level before starting NS IIRC and it got through to the dictation training OK. Depending on your hardware and mixer software you should make sure you over-driving the sound by putting sliders at 100% and take care not to confuse mike input and the mike capture settings. 'mik' seems to be the ammount of the mike input that is fed back to the output mixer and is independant of the mike capture level. It is mike capture you need for NS.
Strangely, as I have the french version, the text I'm supposed to read for volume check is in english??
What's strange about that? Most software works that way ! I am still running wine-20050524 that I used with NS7, and that worked well. It may be useful to post the version you are using for the record . Glad to hear you're getting somewhere. 8)
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, wino(a)piments.com wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:23:26 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
As root, "ps ax | grep wine", and then looking at pid numbers, kill all of the /usr/bin/wine-preloader processes (there were four or five of them), one after the other. Then as user, wineboot worked. Wonder if this is usual?
Yes I seem to remember having to kill off some wine-preloader processes after failures but not sure if it was in this same context.
BTW try pgrep ;)
Even better, try 'killall wine-preloader' or 'killall -9 wine-preloader'. There's also pkill if you need to do a more sophisticated selection of the processes to kill. -- Francois Gouget fgouget(a)free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ "Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown "Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
Le 06 septembre à 16:26:24 Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr> écrit notamment: | On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, wino(a)piments.com wrote:
| > On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:23:26 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | > <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote: | > | >> As root, "ps ax | grep wine", and then looking at pid numbers, kill all of | >> the /usr/bin/wine-preloader processes (there were four or five of them), | >> one after the other. Then as user, wineboot worked. Wonder if this is | >> usual? | > | > Yes I seem to remember having to kill off some wine-preloader | > processes after failures but not sure if it was in this same | > context. | > | > BTW try pgrep ;)
| Even better, try 'killall wine-preloader' or 'killall -9 | wine-preloader'. There's also pkill if you need to do a more | sophisticated selection of the processes to kill. Sure these are quicker, thanks wino and François; actually I was pointing at the fact that the need to kill all those wine-preloader in order to wineboot is very poorly documented, either in man wine or in the docs at wineqh, so I had to find out this by trial and error... cheers, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: [...]
Sure these are quicker, thanks wino and François; actually I was pointing at the fact that the need to kill all those wine-preloader in order to wineboot is very poorly documented, either in man wine or in the docs at wineqh, so I had to find out this by trial and error...
Actually I'd say the fact thay you need to kill these processes is a bug. Not sure what's causing it though. -- Francois Gouget fgouget(a)free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ The nice thing about meditation is that it makes doing nothing quite respectable -- Paul Dean
Le 06 septembre à 17:28:53 Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr> écrit notamment: | On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: | [...] | > Sure these are quicker, thanks wino and François; actually I was pointing | > at the fact that the need to kill all those wine-preloader in order to | > wineboot is very poorly documented, either in man wine or in the docs at | > wineqh, so I had to find out this by trial and error...
| Actually I'd say the fact thay you need to kill these processes is a | bug. Not sure what's causing it though. Don't know if you mean a dns or a wine bug? probably the latter, so: My machine: Linux-gentoo, wine 20050725 cheers -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
Le 05 septembre à 23:40:10 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:23:26 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
[...]
| Again I think this was covered in earlier posts but I seem to recall wine | not being able to control the recording level. I set it to a suitable | level before starting NS IIRC and it got through to the dictation training | OK.
| Depending on your hardware and mixer software you should make sure you | over-driving the sound by putting sliders at 100% and take care not to | confuse mike input and the mike capture settings.
| 'mik' seems to be the ammount of the mike input that is fed back to the | output mixer and is independant of the mike capture level.
| It is mike capture you need for NS. jean(a)borlap /home/jean % amixer set Mic,0 100 cap unmute Simple mixer control 'Mic',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive Capture exclusive group: 0 Playback channels: Mono Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Playback 31 [100%] [on] Front Left: Capture [on] Front Right: Capture [on] This is not enough, it appears! Sound level is not ok for dns. I'll have to search a little more; hope ALSA is not a problem per se for natspeak or wine?
| > Strangely, as I have the french version, the text I'm | supposed to read for volume check is in english??
| What's strange about that? Most software works that way ! OK, today after a reboot, opening natsepeak.exe brings me to the expected french interface! | Glad to hear you're getting somewhere. Sure, thx! -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:19:08 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
| Again I think this was covered in earlier posts but I seem to recall wine | not being able to control the recording level. I set it to a suitable | level before starting NS IIRC and it got through to the dictation training | OK.
This is not enough, it appears! Sound level is not ok for dns. I'll have to search a little more; hope ALSA is not a problem per se for natspeak or wine?
I just checked my entry in wine appDB and I was using 20050524 when I installed and tested Naturally Speaking and I still that version on my system. Another user posts it as working with "june" CVS. I checked my ~/.wine/config and see the following: "Drivers" = "wineoss.drv" ; default for most common configurations I am running Gentoo with 2.6.11 kernel, alsa-1.0.8 with alsa-oss . So ALSA works in as much as my wine is using alsa-oss emulation. HTH.
Le 06 septembre à 20:30:10 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | I checked my ~/.wine/config and see the following:
| "Drivers" = "wineoss.drv" ; default for most common configurations More news: I put "alsa" as drivers + have now wine 20050830 (gentoo update of today)- everything better and faster than yesterday. Sound level appears now ok for dns; then it wants to learn to recognise my voice; I have to read two phrases, and then a longer text; in this last exercise dns gets lost after two lines of text. All the cpu is taken by wine-preloader processes and this does not appears to ever stop. There were (last time) 23 wine-preloader processes running! Would it be something like not enough space allocated to wine?? Thxs -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 08:21, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:
Le 06 septembre à 20:30:10 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | I checked my ~/.wine/config and see the following: | | "Drivers" = "wineoss.drv" ; default for most common configurations
More news: I put "alsa" as drivers + have now wine 20050830 (gentoo update of today)- everything better and faster than yesterday.
Sound level appears now ok for dns; then it wants to learn to recognise my voice; I have to read two phrases, and then a longer text; in this last exercise dns gets lost after two lines of text. All the cpu is taken by wine-preloader processes and this does not appears to ever stop. There were (last time) 23 wine-preloader processes running!
You are aware that (as of 20050111 at least) you have to manually kill -9 leftover wine-preloaders when any wine crash happens, right? And do verify that they in fact got killed. This is a general remark, and following it is by itself unlikely to fix your problem, but at least it will allow you to see that the problem got fixed if/when it gets fixed :) Cheers, Kuba
Le 07 septembre à 17:01:35 Kuba Ober <kuba(a)mareimbrium.org> écrit notamment: | You are aware that (as of 20050111 at least) you have to manually kill -9 | leftover wine-preloaders when any wine crash happens, right? And do verify | that they in fact got killed. This is a general remark, and following it is | by itself unlikely to fix your problem, but at least it will allow you to see | that the problem got fixed if/when it gets fixed :) Well I do kill them every time, never needed the -9 until now though. Thx, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 11:20, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:
Le 07 septembre à 17:01:35 Kuba Ober <kuba(a)mareimbrium.org> écrit notamment: | You are aware that (as of 20050111 at least) you have to manually kill -9 | leftover wine-preloaders when any wine crash happens, right? And do | verify that they in fact got killed. This is a general remark, and | following it is by itself unlikely to fix your problem, but at least it | will allow you to see that the problem got fixed if/when it gets fixed :)
Well I do kill them every time, never needed the -9 until now though.
Did you make sure that when you kill them they do in fact get killed? Sometimes for me SIGTERM doesn't do the job and -9 (SIGKILL) is needed. Kuba
Le 07 septembre à 17:54:02 Kuba Ober <kuba(a)mareimbrium.org> écrit notamment: | On Wednesday 07 September 2005 11:20, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: | > Le 07 septembre à 17:01:35 Kuba Ober <kuba(a)mareimbrium.org> écrit notamment: | > | You are aware that (as of 20050111 at least) you have to manually kill -9 | > | leftover wine-preloaders when any wine crash happens, right? And do | > | verify that they in fact got killed. This is a general remark, and | > | following it is by itself unlikely to fix your problem, but at least it | > | will allow you to see that the problem got fixed if/when it gets fixed :) | > | > Well I do kill them every time, never needed the -9 until now though.
| Did you make sure that when you kill them they do in fact get killed? | Sometimes for me SIGTERM doesn't do the job and -9 (SIGKILL) is needed. [...] I'm sure but I may be wrong , being no expert: (root(a)borlap:/home/jean)# ps ax | grep wine-preloader 23309 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep wine-preloader -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
| > | You are aware that (as of 20050111 at least) you have to manually | > | kill -9 leftover wine-preloaders when any wine crash happens, right? | > | And do verify that they in fact got killed. This is a general remark, | > | and following it is by itself unlikely to fix your problem, but at | > | least it will allow you to see that the problem got fixed if/when it | > | gets fixed :) | > | > Well I do kill them every time, never needed the -9 until now though. | | Did you make sure that when you kill them they do in fact get killed? | Sometimes for me SIGTERM doesn't do the job and -9 (SIGKILL) is needed.
I'm sure but I may be wrong , being no expert:
(root(a)borlap:/home/jean)# ps ax | grep wine-preloader 23309 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep wine-preloader
That's good enough :) I use -9 just because in some cases that's the only way that works, so one may as well use it all the time. Whatever works for you, though, works for you ;) Kuba
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:21:26 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
Sound level appears now ok for dns; Great news.
I have to read two phrases, and then a longer text; in this last exercise dns gets lost after two lines of text. All the cpu is taken by wine-preloader processes and this does not appears to ever stop. There were (last time) 23 wine-preloader processes running!
I have never had that sort of problem. I cant recall the official minimum mem req for dns7 but as a guide I would expect it to crawl with 256M and fly with 512M Speach rec is memory hungry process and will speed up considerably if given more RAM, but I have not seen it get stuck as you describe.
Would it be something like not enough space allocated to wine??
Unless you are near zero on that partition I dont think that is likely. It may be worth limitting the number of unknows if you want to get it working quicker. I would suggest you try a known, working combination of wine version , sound drivers and get it to working and then try to update wine and try different drivers if you wish. Since wine is still very much in developement it is not a case of "newer version = less bugs", often changes break things that did work, that's why wine is still in alpha. I have suggested a version that works with ns7, using that may eliminate one poss cause of problems. On Gentoo you can use quickpkg to make a binary of your current wine package to save you having to recompile when you switch back. HTH
Le 08 septembre à 08:53:19 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:21:26 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
| > Sound level appears now ok for dns; | Great news.
| > I have to read two phrases, and then a longer text; in this last | > exercise dns gets lost after two lines of text. All the cpu is taken by | > wine-preloader processes and this does not appears to ever stop. There | > were (last time) 23 wine-preloader processes running!
| I have never had that sort of problem. | I cant recall the official minimum mem req for dns7 but as a guide I would | expect it to crawl with 256M and fly with 512M
| Speach rec is memory hungry process and will speed up considerably if | given more RAM, but I have not seen it get stuck as you describe.
| > Would it be something like not enough space allocated to wine??
| Unless you are near zero on that partition I dont think that is likely.
| It may be worth limitting the number of unknows if you want to get it | working quicker.
| I would suggest you try a known, working combination of wine version , | sound drivers and get it to working and then try to update wine and try | different drivers if you wish. This advice about wine versions has been precious: it was certainly naive to install the program with one version of wine and configure it with another one. I tried the may version to reinstall dns7, but that couldn't be done; then I reverted to the july version, and I both installed and finally configured dns! Oh joy! My user's files are there, waiting for me! Now it won't start, but I'm being confident: this thing accepts one more thing every day, not more; so maybe tomorrow, after a reboot (probably unneeded, but there seems to be a real addiction about reboot for these strange animals!), it will run ok, if not I might post the logs... thanks, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:27:47 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
Oh joy! My user's files are there, waiting for me!
Now it won't start, but I'm being confident: this thing accepts one more thing every day, not more; so maybe tomorrow, after a reboot (probably unneeded, but there seems to be a real addiction about reboot for these strange animals!), it will run ok, if not I might post the logs...
thanks,
Okay, I'm glad to hear getting somewhere. Just refresh my memory about all this business with sound levels and voice training, I have just installed a new user profile. This is also prompted by hardware change since I'd installed a new soundcard. The new Hercules news 5.1 is quite a full featured card but it seems input sensitivity was too low and I couldn't get decent training quality. So after some messing around with the ALSa configurations, I managed to get those soundcard is correctly working with the mixer. I then plugged the microphone into the end sonic soundcard, fired up Dragon NaturallySpeaking has started to create any user profile and run the audio setup process. Here are a few tricks I forgot to mention: Although NaturallySpeaking seems to pick up the sound advice and sets the sound capture level to zero as it enters the audio setup it seems unable to bring it back up again. If this happens, let it get to the stage and then use the Linux mixer to set the capture to suitable level. You should then be able to continue with a quality check. On the Hercules card I was not able to score more than 14, with the Sound Blaster end sonic I was able to score 21. I also encounter some problems which seemed to be more due to Wine than anything else. For example, at one stage I thought it had hung because clicking on buttons had no effect, eventually I remembered having this problem before and getting around it weighs in theor keyboard shortcuts. In any case, I successfully completed a training and this text is my first attempt at using it. As you can see the quality of the dictation recognition is pretty good. None of this text has been edited with the keyboard afterwards, it was all generated by Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and the any editing done was the occasional command issued through the microphone. I will now risk all by trying to update wine to see if you remove some of the glitches. I'll keep you posted, good luck.
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:27:47 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
Now it won't start, but I'm being confident: this thing accepts one more thing every day, not more; so maybe tomorrow, after a reboot (probably unneeded, but there seems to be a real addiction about reboot for these strange animals!), it will run ok, if not I might post the logs...
thanks,
A reboot is hardly ever needed on Linux is you know what to kill/restart. If you dont , it can often be the quickest solution on a desktop system. I've got my WINE/NS closing down pretty cleanly from the menu now. I let it spew out a few messages to the console and then I have to cntl_c it. A couple of seconds later there is no debris on "ps ax" . Re-running wine natspeak afterwards is as good as new. I think that is pretty impressive , hats of to all who have contributed to this effort over the years. And many thanks. -- Using Opera e-mail on Gentoo Linux
Le 09 septembre à 23:32:23 peter(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:27:47 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
| > Now it won't start, but I'm being confident: this thing accepts one more | > thing every day, not more; so maybe tomorrow, after a reboot (probably | > unneeded, but there seems to be a real addiction about reboot for these | > strange animals!), it will run ok, if not I might post the logs... | > | > thanks,
| A reboot is hardly ever needed on Linux is you know what to kill/restart. | If you dont , it can often be the quickest solution on a desktop system.
| I've got my WINE/NS closing down pretty cleanly from the menu now. I let | it spew out a few messages to the console and then I have to cntl_c it. A | couple of seconds later there is no debris on "ps ax" . Re-running wine | natspeak afterwards is as good as new.
| I think that is pretty impressive , hats of to all who have contributed to | this effort over the years. [...] Well, here, dns still refuses to start; or rather it starts, training done, but then crashes when one expects to really use it; if starting from the command line, I get these messages, then a window appears about some ACCESS VIOLATION, and that's it: 2 jean(a)borlap /home/jean/c/Program Files/ScanSoft/NaturallySpeaking/Program % wine natspeak err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {edb0e980-90bd-11d4-8599-0008c7d3b6f8} not registered err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window width -512 err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window height -374 err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window width -233 err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window height 723591360 err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window width -1592247977 err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for interface {05eb6c65-dbab-11cd-b3ca-00aa0047ba4f} err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub, hres=0x80040111 err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface {05eb6c65-dbab-11cd-b3ca-00aa0047ba4f}, 80040111 err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window height 571119848 err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window width -1592247977 err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for interface {05eb6c65-dbab-11cd-b3ca-00aa0047ba4f} err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub, hres=0x80040111 err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface {05eb6c65-dbab-11cd-b3ca-00aa0047ba4f}, 80040111 err:ole:CoGetClassObject class {b20abc7b-3855-11d3-8f7f-0000861ef01d} not registered err:ole:create_server class {b20abc7b-3855-11d3-8f7f-0000861ef01d} not registered err:ole:ClientIdentity_QueryMultipleInterfaces Failed to get pointer to interface {3f0acb60-5eb9-4f10-a956-e8a9a5b85799} err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x7befd5a0 "loader.c: loader_section" wait timed out in thread 000b, blocked by 001f, retrying (60 sec) err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x7befd5a0 "loader.c: loader_section" wait timed out in thread 0020, blocked by 001f, retrying (60 sec) err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x7befd5a0 "loader.c: loader_section" wait timed out in thread 0023, blocked by 001f, retrying (60 sec) err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x7befd5a0 "loader.c: loader_section" wait timed out in thread 001a, blocked by 001f, retrying (60 sec) err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x7befd5a0 "loader.c: loader_section" wait timed out in thread 0017, blocked by 001f, retrying (60 sec) err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x7befd5a0 "loader.c: loader_section" wait timed out in thread 001c, blocked by 001f, retrying (60 sec) There is a very long log, which I'd post (maybe in private) to anybody interested... tia -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
Le 10 septembre à 20:20:50 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment: | Le 09 septembre à 23:32:23 peter(a)piments.com écrit notamment:
| | On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:27:47 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | | <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote: | > | | > Now it won't start, but I'm being confident: this thing accepts one more | | > thing every day, not more; so maybe tomorrow, after a reboot (probably | | > unneeded, but there seems to be a real addiction about reboot for these | | > strange animals!), it will run ok, if not I might post the logs... | | > | | > thanks, | > | | A reboot is hardly ever needed on Linux is you know what to kill/restart. | | If you dont , it can often be the quickest solution on a desktop system. | > | | I've got my WINE/NS closing down pretty cleanly from the menu now. I let | | it spew out a few messages to the console and then I have to cntl_c it. A | | couple of seconds later there is no debris on "ps ax" . Re-running wine | | natspeak afterwards is as good as new. | > | | I think that is pretty impressive , hats of to all who have contributed to | | this effort over the years.
| [...]
| Well, here, dns still refuses to start; OK, I added rpcrt4.dll in c/windows/system, and now dns starts all right, although slowly and with strange messages, and WORKS! I have not figured out I could save the output that is written on the "dragon editor"; if I try to save in a file dns crashes, if I try to save to clipboard (C-c) and then open it in e.g. emacs, I have nothing. Any ideas? Thanks, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:14:44 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
OK, I added rpcrt4.dll in c/windows/system, and now dns starts all right, although slowly and with strange messages, and WORKS!
Hmm, I found it is very slow to open on more recent wine versions : ie after 20050524 but was getting crashes as soon as I tried to open dragonpad. This is regression, it used to work. Could you post which (all) dlls you have had to run native to get this working? Did you have to install IE6 first or not. (I cheated but it worked)
I have not figured out I could save the output that is written on the "dragon editor"; if I try to save in a file dns crashes, if I try to save to clipboard (C-c) and then open it in e.g. emacs, I have nothing. Any ideas? Thanks,
To copy text dictated into DragonPad I simply highlight it with the mouse. Standard X behaviour will copy this to the clipboard without any other clicking or hotkeys. Then I paste where I want it . Again, the std 3rd mouse button click will paste most places in X , but in Opera email I find I have to use Cntl-V to paste since the mouse-3-click seems to paste another buffer. I love this - highlight to copy; one click to paste - in X , it is so much more efficient than all the context menu stuff in Win. I seem to recall the Edit menu in dragonpad worked as expected as well. Cant advice on emacs behaviour. HTH
Le 17 septembre à 21:27:23 wino(a)piments.com écrit notamment: | On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:14:44 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier | <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
| > | > OK, I added rpcrt4.dll in c/windows/system, and now dns starts all right, | > although slowly and with strange messages, and WORKS! | > | Hmm, I found it is very slow to open on more recent wine versions : ie | after 20050524 but was getting crashes as soon as I tried to open | dragonpad. This is regression, it used to work.
| Could you post which (all) dlls you have had to run native to get this | working? Did you have to install IE6 first or not. (I cheated but it | worked)
| > I have not figured out I could save the output that is written on | > the "dragon | > editor"; if I try to save in a file dns crashes, if I try to save to | > clipboard (C-c) and then open it in e.g. emacs, I have nothing. | > Any ideas? | > Thanks,
| To copy text dictated into DragonPad I simply highlight it with the mouse. | Standard X behaviour will copy this to the clipboard without any other | clicking or hotkeys. Then I paste where I want it . [...] Hi, Had some issues with my ns7 lately, so I decided I'd try to solve them before I answer, but right now I'm rather lost: With my install as previously described, ns has been working poorly; copy to the clipboard was impossible, the only place where it worked was in wine's notepad, where things were copied ok, but I never could see them; I had to save the file and then open it with some true app (less, emacs, anything...) to see its content. I decided I could not work with such a setup... I tried several wine versions, none really working to install ns7, using sidenet; I tried using winetools, with no results to now. I read it works really well with wine 20041019 but cannot install this version, either from the gentoo ebuild or with its own installer. Here's what I get (with portage): In file included from /usr/include/alsa/asoundlib.h:48, from alsa.h:23, from audio_05.c:49: /usr/include/alsa/conf.h:189: error: erreur de syntaxe before "struct" make[2]: *** [audio_05.o] Erreur 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/tmp/portage/wine-20041019-r3/work/wine-20041019/dlls/winmm/winealsa' make[1]: *** [winmm/winealsa] Erreur 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tmp/portage/wine-20041019-r3/work/wine-20041019/dlls' make: *** [dlls] Erreur 2 !!! ERROR: app-emulation/wine-20041019-r3 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 84, Exitcode 2 (alsa not being compiled in my kernel) thanks for any help, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:14:44 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
OK, I added rpcrt4.dll in c/windows/system, and now dns starts all right, although slowly and with strange messages, and WORKS!
If you have got this working correctly it would be good if you could add a comment to http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3227 with your wine version, simulated windows version, the NS version (NS7 french? multilang? std/pref?) and a list of any dlls you needed to run native. It would also be great to have some comment on how well it deals with the french language, I installed NS5 VF for someone and was surprised that it seemed to perform just as well as in English. regards.
I am trying to update from 20050524 to wine-20050830. The newer version tells me to use winecfg not the old config file , so I thought I should read up on it.
bash-3.00#man winecfg No manual entry for winecfg
So I tried man wine but no mention of winecfg , it still refers to the config file. It also lists a reference in the last line to a man entry for wineserver. So I decided to get upto date on wineserver...
bash-3.00#man wineserver No manual entry for wineserver
Wine is a very complex program, it would be helpful if the man entries were self-consistent and updated with the release they install with, especially when important changes like the introduction of wineconfig are concerned. So where do I look for info on winecfg? In short, does .wine/config still get read or is it dead? Also winecfg About tells me version is "wine CVS" , wine command tells me 20050830. I am trying to maintain an app in the appDB but this is difficult without consistent doc. TIA for any input.
BTW I ran the install prog from wine's h: , I dont know if that may make a difference. user(a)newsys ~/.wine $ ls -ail ~/.wine/dosdevices total 8 65155 drwxr-xr-x 2 prof users 4096 Jun 11 00:38 . 65154 drwxr-xr-x 5 prof users 4096 Sep 2 15:35 .. 65189 lrwxrwxrwx 1 prof users 18 Mar 1 2005 c: -> /home/user/.wine/c 65190 lrwxrwxrwx 1 prof users 6 Mar 1 2005 d: -> /win_D 65194 lrwxrwxrwx 1 prof users 10 Mar 1 2005 e: -> /mnt/cdrom 65837 lrwxrwxrwx 1 prof users 8 Mar 1 2005 g: -> /dev/dvd 65838 lrwxrwxrwx 1 prof users 8 Mar 1 2005 h: -> /mnt/dvd 67825 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jun 11 00:38 j: -> /win_C On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:24:39 +0200, Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> wrote:
Le 31 août à 09:07:52 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment:
| Sorry, I must cancel this message; if IE is launched, the install of ns7 | seems to start, but some problems arise; more on this later...
Hi all, Still trying to install ns7, here is what happens:
~wine /mnt/cdrom/setup.exe
I get lots of these (and only these):
err:ole:marshal_object object doesn't expose interface {be6115a1-7de5-48dc-ad2a-25060e00fce2}, failing with error 0x80004002 err:ole:ClientIdentity_QueryMultipleInterfaces IRemUnknown_RemQueryInterface failed with error 0x80004002
Then appears a window saying (in french) that my machine must be rebooted in order for some windows files to be updated, then I can start the install procedure again.
What should I do? tia,
Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:
Le 31 août à 09:07:52 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment:
| Sorry, I must cancel this message; if IE is launched, the install of ns7 | seems to start, but some problems arise; more on this later...
Hi all, Still trying to install ns7, here is what happens:
~wine /mnt/cdrom/setup.exe
I get lots of these (and only these):
err:ole:marshal_object object doesn't expose interface {be6115a1-7de5-48dc-ad2a-25060e00fce2}, failing with error 0x80004002 err:ole:ClientIdentity_QueryMultipleInterfaces IRemUnknown_RemQueryInterface failed with error 0x80004002
These are relatively normal. I expect I will change these into a warn in the future, but I started out being verbose to flag any possible errors as early as possible. Does the install work? Is it an InstallShield installer? -- Rob Shearman
Le 02 septembre à 19:07:57 Robert Shearman <rob(a)codeweavers.com> écrit notamment: | Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:
| >Le 31 août à 09:07:52 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jean(a)bornier.net> écrit notamment: | > | >| Sorry, I must cancel this message; if IE is launched, the install of ns7 | >| seems to start, but some problems arise; more on this later... | > | >Hi all, | >Still trying to install ns7, here is what happens: | > | >~wine /mnt/cdrom/setup.exe | > | >I get lots of these (and only these): | > | >err:ole:marshal_object object doesn't expose interface | >{be6115a1-7de5-48dc-ad2a-25060e00fce2}, failing with error 0x80004002 | >err:ole:ClientIdentity_QueryMultipleInterfaces | >IRemUnknown_RemQueryInterface failed with error 0x80004002 | > | >
| These are relatively normal. I expect I will change these into a warn in | the future, but I started out being verbose to flag any possible errors | as early as possible. Does the install work? No, it stops after a good amount of those two messages, as I said with the message about rebooting, but some wine process apparently goes on, as I never get the prompt back | Is it an InstallShield installer? yes, an InstallShield dir is created in ~/c/Program_Files/Fichiers_Communs thks -- Jean Magnan de Bornier | Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net | 13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 | P 06 09 17 35 87
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