Hello guys, to follow up to Jeremy's email on doing more Wine "evangelism" the idea quickly came up to do something for LinuxTag which happens from 8th to 10th May in Berlin / Germany http://www.linuxtag.org/2014/en/ . Talks: ------ The deadline for proposals is the 7th February. - I will submit a talk proposal: "Is Wine Still Relevant?" with a a subtitle along the lines of "A Wine status update focusing on current use cases and new exciting developments". Needs more buzzwords, I know ;) - Marcus had other ideas for talks, of course somebody would need to hold them. <_Marcus_> and a Playing Windows games with Wine could be seperate if necessary /& wanted... would surely also be interesting <_Marcus_> and Wine on Android , which I was surprised to have it fill the room ;) <_Marcus_> and a pipelight talk ... that would surely pull folks. - We're open to other talk proposals. Please don't hesitate to reply if you're interested. Booth: ------ - I'm still trying to figure out the deadline for the registration of a booth. - With 3 days this is a significant time investment. - Needs around 3-4 people to man the booth. - We could share a booth with an other project but we will still need at least 2 persons for that, 3 or more is better. - Let me know if somebody is interested in this. bye michael
On 02/05/2014 02:26 PM, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
Hello guys,
to follow up to Jeremy's email on doing more Wine "evangelism" the idea quickly came up to do something for LinuxTag which happens from 8th to 10th May in Berlin / Germany http://www.linuxtag.org/2014/en/ .
Woohoo!
- Let me know if somebody is interested in this.
A side note, Rosanne has also volunteered to find and suggest events for folks to attend. Here is the hook: for the moment, the Wine Party Fund can afford to sponsor some travel to these events. So you may have to give a talk, or work for the weekend, but we should be able to defray the costs. Cheers, Jeremy
A side note, Rosanne has also volunteered to find and suggest events for folks to attend.
Well, my plan is more to collect information on events/locations/dates/deadlines and let people know when something is on the horizon. So please let me know about any events you think would be good for our outreach efforts. -- Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net>
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 09:26:17PM +0100, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
Hello guys,
to follow up to Jeremy's email on doing more Wine "evangelism" the idea quickly came up to do something for LinuxTag which happens from 8th to 10th May in Berlin / Germany http://www.linuxtag.org/2014/en/ .
Talks: ------ The deadline for proposals is the 7th February.
- I will submit a talk proposal: "Is Wine Still Relevant?" with a a subtitle along the lines of "A Wine status update focusing on current use cases and new exciting developments". Needs more buzzwords, I know ;)
- Marcus had other ideas for talks, of course somebody would need to hold them. <_Marcus_> and a Playing Windows games with Wine could be seperate if necessary /& wanted... would surely also be interesting <_Marcus_> and Wine on Android , which I was surprised to have it fill the room ;) <_Marcus_> and a pipelight talk ... that would surely pull folks.
- We're open to other talk proposals. Please don't hesitate to reply if you're interested.
Booth: ------ - I'm still trying to figure out the deadline for the registration of a booth. - With 3 days this is a significant time investment. - Needs around 3-4 people to man the booth. - We could share a booth with an other project but we will still need at least 2 persons for that, 3 or more is better. - Let me know if somebody is interested in this.
We have a bit more time for the booth: http://wiki.linuxtag.org/w/fp:Call_for_Projects The "booth" deadline is March 22nd. But not for the talks: http://wiki.linuxtag.org/w/vp:Call_for_Papers The call for papers (Talks) deadline is Februar 7th (this Friday) Ciao, MArcus
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 21:42:54 +0100 Marcus Meissner <marcus(a)jet.franken.de> wrote:
We have a bit more time for the booth: http://wiki.linuxtag.org/w/fp:Call_for_Projects The "booth" deadline is March 22nd.
The dates on that page are from last year's event; they don't seem to have posted a call for projects for 2014 yet. -- Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net>
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:11:18 -0600 Ken Thomases <ken(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
- I will submit a talk proposal: "Is Wine Still Relevant?" …
To me, this invites the reader to think "no" (even with a subtitle). How about something like "Uses of Wine Today and in the Future"?
IMO, "Is Wine Still Relevant?" sounds like a much more interesting, provocative talk. -- Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net>
On Feb 5, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Rosanne DiMesio wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:11:18 -0600 Ken Thomases <ken(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
- I will submit a talk proposal: "Is Wine Still Relevant?" …
To me, this invites the reader to think "no" (even with a subtitle). How about something like "Uses of Wine Today and in the Future"?
IMO, "Is Wine Still Relevant?" sounds like a much more interesting, provocative talk.
Well, you're right that my alternative suggestion is dull as dirt. Terrible. Don't use that. But I stand by my first sentence. -Ken
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Ken Thomases <ken(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
On Feb 5, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Rosanne DiMesio wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:11:18 -0600 Ken Thomases <ken(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
- I will submit a talk proposal: "Is Wine Still Relevant?" ...
To me, this invites the reader to think "no" (even with a subtitle). How about something like "Uses of Wine Today and in the Future"?
IMO, "Is Wine Still Relevant?" sounds like a much more interesting, provocative talk.
Well, you're right that my alternative suggestion is dull as dirt. Terrible. Don't use that.
But I stand by my first sentence.
-Ken
"How Wine Remains Relevant" ? Best, Erich
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 20:38:18 -0600 Ken Thomases <ken(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
On Feb 5, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Rosanne DiMesio wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:11:18 -0600 Ken Thomases <ken(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
- I will submit a talk proposal: "Is Wine Still Relevant?" …
To me, this invites the reader to think "no" (even with a subtitle). How about something like "Uses of Wine Today and in the Future"?
IMO, "Is Wine Still Relevant?" sounds like a much more interesting, provocative talk.
Well, you're right that my alternative suggestion is dull as dirt. Terrible. Don't use that.
But I stand by my first sentence.
Oh, I agree with your first sentence, too. But that's what makes the title so intriguing: it tells me the speaker knows I might say "no" and is going to challenge my thinking. -- Rosanne DiMesio <dimesio(a)earthlink.net>
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, Rosanne DiMesio wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:11:18 -0600 Ken Thomases <ken(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
- I will submit a talk proposal: "Is Wine Still Relevant?" …
To me, this invites the reader to think "no" (even with a subtitle). How about something like "Uses of Wine Today and in the Future"?
IMO, "Is Wine Still Relevant?" sounds like a much more interesting, provocative talk.
That would be true if Wine was universally viewed as important. However there is a sentiment among free software radicals that because Wine makes it possible to run Windows applications (which are viewed as 100% non open-source), it's bad for Linux, open-source software, etc. So this title just confirms that sentiment and is thus not necessarily provocative (except on a Wine mailing list). So I think the opposite tack would be more provocative: What makes Wine THE most important open-source project or Wine: Still the most important open-source project or for a different talk: Status and future of the most important open-source project: Wine -- Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr> http://fgouget.free.fr/ Any sufficiently advanced Operating System is indistinguishable from Linux
On 6 February 2014 10:29, Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr> wrote:
That would be true if Wine was universally viewed as important. However there is a sentiment among free software radicals that because Wine makes it possible to run Windows applications (which are viewed as 100% non open-source), it's bad for Linux, open-source software, etc. So this title just confirms that sentiment and is thus not necessarily provocative (except on a Wine mailing list).
That was perhaps true at some point, but I have the impression that these days the sentiment is more that "Valve and Icculus are going to fix Linux gaming, nobody uses Wine for anything else anyway, and Free Software is just this thing that makes it harder for them to do so."
On 02/06/2014 01:11 AM, Ken Thomases wrote:
On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Michael Stefaniuc wrote:
- I will submit a talk proposal: "Is Wine Still Relevant?" …
To me, this invites the reader to think "no" (even with a subtitle). How about something like "Uses of Wine Today and in the Future"? That is a rhetoric question. Though people asked me indirectly or directly that question; that's why I've chosen it as title.
bye michael
Am 05.02.2014 um 21:26 schrieb Michael Stefaniuc <mstefani(a)redhat.com>:
<_Marcus_> and a Playing Windows games with Wine could be seperate if necessary /& wanted... would surely also be interesting I think I could come up with something here, but not by tomorrow evening. I might need some advice in tailoring the message to the LinuxTag audience, whatever it may be.
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Erich E. Hoover -
Francois Gouget -
Henri Verbeet -
Jeremy White -
Ken Thomases -
Marcus Meissner -
Michael Stefaniuc -
Rosanne DiMesio -
Stefan Dösinger