keyboard mapping with XFree86 4.3.0

[Tim Ruehsen]

With XFree86 4.3.0 I experience the message

fixme:keyboard:X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout Your keyboard layout was not 
found!
Using closest match instead (German keyboard layout without dead keys) for 
scancode mapping.
Please define your layout in windows/x11drv/keyboard.c and submit them
to us for inclusion into future Wine releases.
See the Wine User Guide, chapter "Keyboard" for more information.


This is very annoying, I can't use the right alt key any more to reach 
characters like {,} or [. Very bad for C programming... (I use EditPlus 
together with wine).

The Problem can be found with older versions (20020812) as with newer version 
(20030317). Here is my keyboard layout from XF86Config:

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver       "Keyboard"
  Identifier   "Keyboard[0]"
  Option       "MapName" "Standard Keyboard [ pc105 ]"
  Option       "Protocol" "Standard"
  Option       "XkbLayout" "de"
  Option       "XkbModel" "pc105"
  Option       "XkbRules" "xfree86"
  Option       "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
EndSection

wine -debugmsh +key,+keyboard application outputs:
trace:key:X11DRV_InitKeyboard NumLockMask is 10
trace:keyboard:X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout Attempting to match against 
"United
States keyboard layout"
trace:keyboard:KEYBOARD_MapDeadKeysym no character for dead keysym 0x0000ff1b
trace:keyboard:KEYBOARD_MapDeadKeysym no character for dead keysym 0x0000ff1b
trace:key:X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout mismatch for keycode 11, character 2
...


Any idea?

Regards, Tim

[Dmitry Timoshkov]

"Tim Ruehsen" <tim.ruehsen(a)openmediasystem.de> wrote:
> Option       "XkbLayout" "de"
>   Option       "XkbModel" "pc105"
> trace:keyboard:X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout Attempting to match against 
> "United
> States keyboard layout"
> Any idea?

Then look for mismatch errors for German keyboard layout, not for US one,
and try to fix them.

-- 
Dmitry.

[Shachar Shemesh]

Tim Ruehsen wrote:
> Any idea?
>
> Regards, Tim

I don't know whether it's relevant in this case. XFree 4.3.0 introduced 
a total disconnection of the different keyboard groups. If before, the 
IL keyboard contained a US keyboard as the first group, and an IL 
keyboard as the second group, now I have to define "US,IL" to get the 
same effect. This is, on the whole, a good thing (even - a very good 
thing). This does mean that the keyboard detection in wine will now only 
work if you have your keyboard defined in exactly the same way as the 
4.2 keyboards.

I have placed this on my todo list for Wine, but not told anyone so far, 
as I am extremely busy, and am unlikely to get to it anytime soon. I was 
hoping someone else picks it up before I do (for those who wonder - I am 
working on adding Hebrew support to wine, but this quest is causing me 
now to rewrite the entire choose font dialog, and will probably cause me 
to address the keyboard detection later on as well, due to keyboard 
change notification messages).

             Shachar


-- 
Shachar Shemesh
Open Source integration consultant
Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/

[Tim Ruehsen]

Hi Shachar,

thanks for your answer. Dmitry's answer maked me believe to be stupid...

Since I can't rewrite the keyboard detection code and it looks like it is a 
general XFree 4.3.0 issue, I have to wait for someone to fix it.

Meanwhile, your answer lets me hope that there is a workaround. But I don't 
understand your answer completely. As I can see, my keyboard configuration 
(in XF86Config) did not change from 4.2 to 4.3. Could you or anybody give me 
a hint on how to set XkbLayout/XkbVariant or whatever to get my right alt key 
working (this is the most important one for me)?

Regards, Tim
> I don't know whether it's relevant in this case. XFree 4.3.0 introduced
> a total disconnection of the different keyboard groups. If before, the
> IL keyboard contained a US keyboard as the first group, and an IL
> keyboard as the second group, now I have to define "US,IL" to get the
> same effect. This is, on the whole, a good thing (even - a very good
> thing). This does mean that the keyboard detection in wine will now only
> work if you have your keyboard defined in exactly the same way as the
> 4.2 keyboards.
>
> I have placed this on my todo list for Wine, but not told anyone so far,
> as I am extremely busy, and am unlikely to get to it anytime soon. I was
> hoping someone else picks it up before I do (for those who wonder - I am
> working on adding Hebrew support to wine, but this quest is causing me
> now to rewrite the entire choose font dialog, and will probably cause me
> to address the keyboard detection later on as well, due to keyboard
> change notification messages).
>
> Shachar

[Dmitry Timoshkov]

"Tim Ruehsen" <tim.ruehsen(a)openmediasystem.de> wrote:
> thanks for your answer. Dmitry's answer maked me believe to be stupid...

Tim, I'm sorry if my answer was a bit crude, I really didn't mean to offend you.
> Since I can't rewrite the keyboard detection code and it looks like it is a 
> general XFree 4.3.0 issue, I have to wait for someone to fix it.

Well, I'm running 4.3.0 and have no problems with keyboard detection code,
it just works for me.
> Meanwhile, your answer lets me hope that there is a workaround. But I don't 
> understand your answer completely. As I can see, my keyboard configuration 
> (in XF86Config) did not change from 4.2 to 4.3. Could you or anybody give me 
> a hint on how to set XkbLayout/XkbVariant or whatever to get my right alt key 
> working (this is the most important one for me)?

If you will add "us" to the "XkbLayout" setting in your XF86Config like this

Option       "XkbLayout" "us,de"

it might help.

Sorry again.

-- 
Dmitry.

[Tim Ruehsen]

Hi Dmitry,
> "Tim Ruehsen" <tim.ruehsen(a)openmediasystem.de> wrote:
> > thanks for your answer. Dmitry's answer maked me believe to be stupid...
>
> Tim, I'm sorry if my answer was a bit crude, I really didn't mean to offend
> you.
> OK, it is forgotten.
> If you will add "us" to the "XkbLayout" setting in your XF86Config like
> this
>
> Option       "XkbLayout" "us,de"

Thank you, Dmitry. But it doesn't help. In this case I have US layout which 
drives me crazy...
I read some XFree READMEs. They are talking about a possibility to configure 
keyboard layout 'backward compatible' - but I could not find out how (it 
might help).

If there is anybody who got the keyboard variant 'nodeadkeys' working with 
wine: please tell me how, maybe a snapshot from your configuration helps.

Regards, Tim

[Shachar Shemesh]

Tim Ruehsen wrote:
> Thank you, Dmitry. But it doesn't help. In this case I have US layout which 
> drives me crazy...

Can you confirm that the messages go away, and that a German keyboard is 
detected by Wine? If so, we can solve the other problem quite easily.
> I read some XFree READMEs. They are talking about a possibility to configure 
> keyboard layout 'backward compatible' - but I could not find out how (it 
> might help).

You don't need to. you can tell your X to use us,de as the keyboard, but 
to always be in grp2. Actually, what I just said counts as "backwards 
compatible", as that is what happens on 4.2.x. Does anyone know, off the 
top of their head, how to do that?
> If there is anybody who got the keyboard variant 'nodeadkeys' working with 
> wine: please tell me how, maybe a snapshot from your configuration helps.
>
> Regards, Tim

-- 
Shachar Shemesh
Open Source integration consultant
Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/

[Sylvain Petreolle]

I have a french keyboard, the matching XkbLayout entry is in
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and it fails layout detection.
I receive the message everytime a program is launched.
> Can you confirm that the messages go away, and that a German keyboard
> is  detected by Wine? If so, we can solve the other problem quite
> easily.
> > I read some XFree READMEs. They are talking about a possibility to
> > configure 
> > keyboard layout 'backward compatible' - but I could not find out how
> > (it 
> > might help).

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[Tim Ruehsen]

Hi Shachar,
> > Thank you, Dmitry. But it doesn't help. In this case I have US layout
> > which drives me crazy...
>
> Can you confirm that the messages go away, and that a German keyboard is
> detected by Wine? If so, we can solve the other problem quite easily.

No. "de" results in messages from wine and a fallback to "Using closest match 
instead (German keyboard layout without dead keys) for scancode mapping.". 
(so in wine i can't use right alt key, but in kde everything is ok)
See my first mail for more info.

"us,de" makes the wine messages go away. But in this case I have a US keyboard 
layout (in wine and in kde).
> > I read some XFree READMEs. They are talking about a possibility to
> > configure keyboard layout 'backward compatible' - but I could not find
> > out how (it might help).
>
> You don't need to. you can tell your X to use us,de as the keyboard, but
> to always be in grp2. Actually, what I just said counts as "backwards
> compatible", as that is what happens on 4.2.x. Does anyone know, off the
> top of their head, how to do that?

I try find this out.

Regards, Tim

[Tim Ruehsen]

> > I read some XFree READMEs. They are talking about a possibility to
> > configure keyboard layout 'backward compatible' - but I could not find
> > out how (it might help).
>
> You don't need to. you can tell your X to use us,de as the keyboard, but
> to always be in grp2. Actually, what I just said counts as "backwards
> compatible", as that is what happens on 4.2.x. Does anyone know, off the
> top of their head, how to do that?

I tried to cheat wine with "us,de" together with ",nodeadkeys" and 
"grp:ctrls_toggle" (toggle between us and de with pressing both ctrl keys).
Doing so resulted in a screwed keyboard, e.g. a-z keys now had special 
meanings in KDE, running wine did not give me access to '{[]}' keys. KDE 
itself has been screwed (maybe since I pressed lots of keys for testing while 
they had special meaning).

I made tests with several different toggle keys and configurations, but no 
success... meybe there is no easy solution.

Regards, Tim

[Shachar Shemesh]

Tim Ruehsen wrote:
> > > I read some XFree READMEs. They are talking about a possibility to
> > > configure keyboard layout 'backward compatible' - but I could not find
> > > out how (it might help).
> >
> > You don't need to. you can tell your X to use us,de as the keyboard, but
> > to always be in grp2. Actually, what I just said counts as "backwards
> > compatible", as that is what happens on 4.2.x. Does anyone know, off the
> > top of their head, how to do that?
>
> I tried to cheat wine with "us,de" together with ",nodeadkeys" and 
> "grp:ctrls_toggle" (toggle between us and de with pressing both ctrl keys).
> Doing so resulted in a screwed keyboard, e.g. a-z keys now had special 
> meanings in KDE, running wine did not give me access to '{[]}' keys. KDE 
> itself has been screwed (maybe since I pressed lots of keys for testing while 
> they had special meaning).
>
> I made tests with several different toggle keys and configurations, but no 
> success... meybe there is no easy solution.
>
> Regards, Tim

Hmm.

Try us,de, leave the dead keys in (unless you want them out), and 
grp:alt_toggle. Then, press alt to switch between keyboard layouts.

I know that grp:shift_toggle is badly broken, both in Wine and in other 
apps I have seen (I suspect an X bug here). I have never tried both ctrl 
toggle, though.

             Shachar


-- 
Shachar Shemesh
Open Source integration consultant
Home page & resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/

[Tim Ruehsen]

Am Freitag, 11. April 2003 17:46 schrieb Shachar Shemesh:
> Tim Ruehsen wrote:
> > > > I read some XFree READMEs. They are talking about a possibility to
> > > > configure keyboard layout 'backward compatible' - but I could not find
> > > > out how (it might help).
> > >
> > > You don't need to. you can tell your X to use us,de as the keyboard, but
> > > to always be in grp2. Actually, what I just said counts as "backwards
> > > compatible", as that is what happens on 4.2.x. Does anyone know, off the
> > > top of their head, how to do that?
> >
> > I tried to cheat wine with "us,de" together with ",nodeadkeys" and
> > "grp:ctrls_toggle" (toggle between us and de with pressing both ctrl
> > keys). Doing so resulted in a screwed keyboard, e.g. a-z keys now had
> > special meanings in KDE, running wine did not give me access to '{[]}'
> > keys. KDE itself has been screwed (maybe since I pressed lots of keys for
> > testing while they had special meaning).
> >
> > I made tests with several different toggle keys and configurations, but no
> > success... meybe there is no easy solution.
> >
> > Regards, Tim
>
> Hmm.
>
> Try us,de, leave the dead keys in (unless you want them out), and
> grp:alt_toggle. Then, press alt to switch between keyboard layouts.
>
> I know that grp:shift_toggle is badly broken, both in Wine and in other
> apps I have seen (I suspect an X bug here). I have never tried both ctrl
> toggle, though.

this doent|t work at all. just no effect, so i am staying with US kezboard. as 
zou can see...

Tim