Request to be unbanned from #winehq

[Tsukasa]

Vitamin banned me today - you can see the full log here. Also I was about to
say at the end there, if redhat automounts usb sticks.
http://pastebin.com/mb489dc

I think what really pissed him off was that I asked for help identifying a
bug in Loki in #winehackers originally. I asked in the user channel after i
was informed it was the wrong channel.

Anyways, can I get unbanned from #winehq? You can do a whois on tsukasa to
find my info.

[Vitaliy Margolen]

Tsukasa wrote:
> Vitamin banned me today - you can see the full log here. Also I was 
> about to say at the end there, if redhat automounts usb sticks. 
> http://pastebin.com/mb489dc
>
> I think what really pissed him off was that I asked for help identifying 
> a bug in Loki in #winehackers originally. I asked in the user channel 
> after i was informed it was the wrong channel.
>
> Anyways, can I get unbanned from #winehq? You can do a whois on tsukasa 
> to find my info.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

No, what prompted me to keep you away from #winehq is a suggestions like:

<dipdude> find the file of my flash drive and take out the file for wine
<tsukasa> dipdude, just do a sudo find / -name *wine*

How does that related to the question asked? And this is not the first time 
you recommended something like that to people which is completely unacceptable!

And I would ask all other ops in the channel think twice before allowing 
people like that on the channel...

Also, please consider reading the FreeNode rules. I do not beleave you have 
requested permission from each person before publishing this log. Please 
make sure that you do that now, or I will have to request FreeNode stuff to 
k-line you.

And to add to that, yes you are present in the #winehackers channel and you 
constantly interrupting other developers with your user questions. Yet I 
have not seen yet a desire from your side to either help development or 
because a developer yourself. Instead all your requests are real user 
related requests.

Vitaliy.

[Clarence Risher]

On 10/6/07, Vitaliy Margolen <wine-devel(a)kievinfo.com> wrote:
> Also, please consider reading the FreeNode rules. I do not beleave you have
> requested permission from each person before publishing this log. Please
> make sure that you do that now, or I will have to request FreeNode stuff to
> k-line you.

I do not think there is a network-wide policy regarding publishing
logs.  Many channels have weird rules about that, but not freenode.

PS: I too have been the victim of heavy handed channel administration
in #winehq.

[Jan Zerebecki]

On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 12:02:18AM -0500, Clarence Risher wrote:
> PS: I too have been the victim of heavy handed channel administration
> in #winehq.

If anyone is interested in making #winehq a place that is more
pleasant, I would urge them to try to accomplish what I suggest
in the last paragraph (read the rest for more explanation).

I'll copy&paste from a previous discussion about #winehq problems:

Though formulating proper communication guidelines is some work
(one can borrow text and wisdom from projects that may have
something like this; freenode, fedora, ubuntu, gentoo, debian
come to mind), the real work is discussing it, asking everyone
whose comments matter and getting everyone to agree.
> > On Thursday 16 August 2007 20:27:04 Jonathan Challinger wrote:
> > > but then what? How would they be enforced?

Obviously then the people with the authority will support the
needed enforcement. But IMHO the best atmosphere is when nobody
needs to wield their powers.

We have #winehq-social where anything can be discussed and nobody
gets banned (unless they do advertisement or/and malware).

Another problem is that we don't have a rule for when/how to unban.

So if we could agree on rules for when and how to ban and unban,
it would be a good start and our community should become a bit
more pleasant.



Jan

[L. Rahyen]

On Sunday October 7 2007 01:10, Tsukasa wrote:
> Vitamin banned me today - you can see the full log here. Also I was about
> to say at the end there, if redhat automounts usb sticks.
> http://pastebin.com/mb489dc

I'm sorry but I agree with Vitaliy decision. I don't know you so I'm judging 
just by log you have posted and few sentences on the list.
	I will not repeat what Vitaliy already have said on the list but just want to 
add that such phrases like:

...
* tsukasa thinks dipdude shouldve gone ubuntu
...
<dipdude> i dont get it tsukasa
* vitamin warns tsukasa to NOT do such remarks
...
<tsukasa> im just saying redhat is more advanced of a distribution then ubuntu 
is
<dipdude> find the file of my flash drive and take out the file for wine
<vitamin> dipdude, You have to:
<tsukasa> dipdude, just do a sudo find / -name *wine*
...

	...very unhelpful for everyone who are using Ubuntu. You may say that you 
recommend or suggest other distribution because you like it but you never can 
tell that it is better than others because it isn't by definition: *each* 
distribution in the world have something in it why someone uses it and not 
others.
	Besides, to me it seems like you "inserting" in the dialog between vitamin 
and dipdude unhelpful comments (at the end of the log I have posted above) 
instead of helpful advises or recommendations. Please note also that you has 
been warned in the log before you has been banned. If you get the warning you 
should think why before blindly ignoring it as you did (if you unsure why you 
get it you may ask privately the admin or moderator).
	In case if you will be unbanned you should try to be more helpful when you 
are trying to help someone otherwise don't even try - this is good rule of 
thumb for everyone.
	Of course everything above is just my opinion.