Removal of unused audio drivers
There are 5 different audio drivers for linux, I think this is a bit overkill, so I propose to remove the esd and nas drivers, I don't think anyone uses esd, especially that since for that task alsa can be used now since dmix addon. I'm not sure what nas is for, but it seems to be 'network audio system', I haven't seen any use for it, except that it causes a 30 seconds slowdown at showing 'audio' tab in winecfg. I don't think anyone uses it. For esd I think it's best to remove, for nas I'm also for remove, but I'll settle for removing it from winecfg list same way as winearts was disabled for a while. What are your thoughts about this? Maarten
Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
There are 5 different audio drivers for linux, I think this is a bit overkill, so I propose to remove the esd and nas drivers, I don't think anyone uses esd, especially that since for that task alsa can be used now since dmix addon.
I'm not sure what nas is for, but it seems to be 'network audio system', I haven't seen any use for it, except that it causes a 30 seconds slowdown at showing 'audio' tab in winecfg. I don't think anyone uses it.
For esd I think it's best to remove, for nas I'm also for remove, but I'll settle for removing it from winecfg list same way as winearts was disabled for a while.
What are your thoughts about this?
Maarten
Hi Maarten, I'm using esd actively. There are some audiocard drivers OSS provide and ALSA don't. I haven't used NAS at all and the winecfg delay annoys me too. Regards Vit This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 01:01:43PM +0200, Vit Hrachovy wrote:
Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
There are 5 different audio drivers for linux, I think this is a bit overkill, so I propose to remove the esd and nas drivers, I don't think anyone uses esd, especially that since for that task alsa can be used now since dmix addon.
I'm not sure what nas is for, but it seems to be 'network audio system', I haven't seen any use for it, except that it causes a 30 seconds slowdown at showing 'audio' tab in winecfg. I don't think anyone uses it.
For esd I think it's best to remove, for nas I'm also for remove, but I'll settle for removing it from winecfg list same way as winearts was disabled for a while.
What are your thoughts about this?
Maarten
Hi Maarten, I'm using esd actively. There are some audiocard drivers OSS provide and ALSA don't.
I haven't used NAS at all and the winecfg delay annoys me too. Regards Vit
What has esound (esd) to do with OSS? Ciao, Marcus
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 01:54:17PM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 01:01:43PM +0200, Vit Hrachovy wrote:
I'm using esd actively. There are some audiocard drivers OSS provide and ALSA don't.
I haven't used NAS at all and the winecfg delay annoys me too. Regards Vit
What has esound (esd) to do with OSS?
Ciao, Marcus
AFAIK OSS doesn't provide SW mixing. ESD does. Given situation I have OSS-only capable audiocard and I want to use SW mixing, ESD over OSS is an option for me to hear mixed audio streams from several applications (mp3 as background and sounds from a game, from example). Correct me if I'm wrong :) Regards Vit
Marcus Meissner wrote:
Hi Maarten, I'm using esd actively. There are some audiocard drivers OSS provide and ALSA don't.
I haven't used NAS at all and the winecfg delay annoys me too. Regards Vit
What has esound (esd) to do with OSS?
If you have soundcard only OSS supports, you cant use ALSA network sound, so you use esd instead. AFAIK. // Jakob
On 4/12/07, Vit Hrachovy <vit.hrachovy(a)sandbox.cz> wrote:
Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
There are 5 different audio drivers for linux, I think this is a bit overkill, so I propose to remove the esd and nas drivers, I don't think anyone uses esd, especially that since for that task alsa can be used now since dmix addon.
I'm not sure what nas is for, but it seems to be 'network audio system', I haven't seen any use for it, except that it causes a 30 seconds slowdown at showing 'audio' tab in winecfg. I don't think anyone uses it.
For esd I think it's best to remove, for nas I'm also for remove, but I'll settle for removing it from winecfg list same way as winearts was disabled for a while.
What are your thoughts about this?
Keep them all and fix the real problems.
Maarten
Hi Maarten, I'm using esd actively. There are some audiocard drivers OSS provide and ALSA don't.
I haven't used NAS at all and the winecfg delay annoys me too.
The slowdown can be reduced by probing for sound simultaneously in multiple threads, and eliminated entirely by populating it asynchronously from other threads. Want a patch?
Regards Vit
Regards Damjan
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Maarten Lankhorst wrote: [...]
I'm not sure what nas is for, but it seems to be 'network audio system', I haven't seen any use for it, except that it causes a 30 seconds slowdown at showing 'audio' tab in winecfg. I don't think anyone uses it.
For esd I think it's best to remove, for nas I'm also for remove, but I'll settle for removing it from winecfg list same way as winearts was disabled for a while.
NAS is used to get sound on X terminals. It would be interesting to get input from the LTSP and thin-client crowd before concluding it can be removed. -- Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr> http://fgouget.free.fr/ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away - and barefoot.
Francois Gouget wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Maarten Lankhorst wrote: [...]
I'm not sure what nas is for, but it seems to be 'network audio system', I haven't seen any use for it, except that it causes a 30 seconds slowdown at showing 'audio' tab in winecfg. I don't think anyone uses it.
For esd I think it's best to remove, for nas I'm also for remove, but I'll settle for removing it from winecfg list same way as winearts was disabled for a while.
NAS is used to get sound on X terminals. It would be interesting to get input from the LTSP and thin-client crowd before concluding it can be removed.
We use Wine with only ESD for our terminals. From what I gather, most LTSP systems use only ESD, but NAS is the second most popular. By the way, in LTSP, ESD's major deficiency is not being able to control the volume from things like the GNOME sound applet, so there's some interest in (but no support for) changing to PulseAudio. There's some info here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound Andrew
Le lundi 23 avril 2007 à 09:23 -0600, Andrew Ziem a écrit : [...]
By the way, in LTSP, ESD's major deficiency is not being able to control the volume from things like the GNOME sound applet, so there's some interest in (but no support for) changing to PulseAudio.
LTSP on Ubuntu feisty uses PulseAudio already (instead of ESD).
Jonathan Ernst wrote:
Le lundi 23 avril 2007 à 09:23 -0600, Andrew Ziem a écrit : [...]
By the way, in LTSP, ESD's major deficiency is not being able to control the volume from things like the GNOME sound applet, so there's some interest in (but no support for) changing to PulseAudio.
LTSP on Ubuntu feisty uses PulseAudio already (instead of ESD).
Perhaps that's just Feisty or LTSP 5. I think most LTSP systems still use LTSP 4. (After all, Feisty is very new, and LTSP 5 is only available for the new Ubuntu and Debian.) In any case, I wish Wine would keep esd support for a while. Andrew
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 10:02:31AM +0200, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
There are 5 different audio drivers for linux, I think this is a bit overkill, so I propose to remove the esd and nas drivers, I don't think anyone uses esd, especially that since for that task alsa can be used now since dmix addon.
I'm not sure what nas is for, but it seems to be 'network audio system', I haven't seen any use for it, except that it causes a 30 seconds slowdown at showing 'audio' tab in winecfg. I don't think anyone uses it.
For esd I think it's best to remove, for nas I'm also for remove, but I'll settle for removing it from winecfg list same way as winearts was disabled for a while.
What are your thoughts about this?
why do you compile the drivers in - or why do have the files around for them? my audio dialog just shows oss and alsa; the others get dropped at compile time. also there might be other platforms that have to use those audio drivers - why drop something that works? -- cu
Christoph Frick schreef:
why do you compile the drivers in - or why do have the files around for them? my audio dialog just shows oss and alsa; the others get dropped at compile time. also there might be other platforms that have to use those audio drivers - why drop something that works? I was just proposing to remove it to see how many people would really need it. If it's used it won't be removed, if nobody objects it means it's just a choice too many.
From what I can tell there are thus still some people using esound, so I guess it's safe to keep it.
Nas however doesn't seem to be really used, so I'm thinking of either removing it or disabling it in winecfg. Most distributions include wine with all drivers, and I personally think it's not wise to have 30 seconds delay in winecfg. Maarten
why do you compile the drivers in - or why do have the files around for them? my audio dialog just shows oss and alsa; the others get dropped at compile time. also there might be other platforms that have to use those audio drivers - why drop something that works? I was just proposing to remove it to see how many people would really need it. If it's used it won't be removed, if nobody objects it means it's just a choice too many.
Dear thin X Window clients, NAS driver removal plans were discussed by wine developers on Alpha Centauri for 50 years. Yours, Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz :) You will like decisions based on statistics only when you are part of majority. Debian and Fedora have nas and esd support in separate packages. libwine-nas is not required for wine installation on Debian Etch. -- Tomas
On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 14:41 +0200, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
Christoph Frick schreef:
why do you compile the drivers in - or why do have the files around for them? my audio dialog just shows oss and alsa; the others get dropped at compile time. also there might be other platforms that have to use those audio drivers - why drop something that works? I was just proposing to remove it to see how many people would really need it. If it's used it won't be removed, if nobody objects it means it's just a choice too many.
From what I can tell there are thus still some people using esound, so I guess it's safe to keep it.
On this note, they only seem to be using it because the ALSA driver is broken. See this thread, where I accidentally removed esound from Wine 0.9.35 by (again) missing a build dependency: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412515 Thanks, Scott Ritchie
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Jakob Eriksson -
Jonathan Ernst -
Maarten Lankhorst -
Marcus Meissner -
Scott Ritchie -
Tomas Kuliavas -
Vit Hrachovy