Re: [PATCH] Environment variable to specify X11 window for desktop
Timothy Lee wrote:
The attached patch allows the WINE desktop to be embedded within an existing X11 window, and is similar to the windowed mode in WINE.
I've tested this feature using MS PowerPoint Viewer 2007, so that a fullscreen slideshow can be fitted inside any X11 window.
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've implemented is useful. -- Rob Shearman
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Robert Shearman <rob(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
Timothy Lee wrote:
The attached patch allows the WINE desktop to be embedded within an existing X11 window, and is similar to the windowed mode in WINE.
I've tested this feature using MS PowerPoint Viewer 2007, so that a fullscreen slideshow can be fitted inside any X11 window.
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've implemented is useful.
Perhaps something like a plugin window like the crossover plugin in the browsers? I can think of a couple of other usage cases where this could come in handy. -- Steven Edwards "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo
Robert Shearman wrote:
Timothy Lee wrote:
The attached patch allows the WINE desktop to be embedded within an existing X11 window, and is similar to the windowed mode in WINE.
I've tested this feature using MS PowerPoint Viewer 2007, so that a fullscreen slideshow can be fitted inside any X11 window.
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've implemented is useful.
I'm actually using this code as the basis of a PowerPoint plugin under Linux. Regards, Timothy
"Timothy Lee" <timothy.lee(a)siriushk.com> wrote:
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've implemented is useful.
I'm actually using this code as the basis of a PowerPoint plugin under Linux.
I little bit more information won't hurt. For instance why your plugin needs to re-route the whole desktop window, and not just its own one. -- Dmitry.
Dear Dmitry, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote:
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've implemented is useful. I'm actually using this code as the basis of a PowerPoint plugin under Linux. I little bit more information won't hurt. For instance why your plugin needs to re-route the whole desktop window, and not just its own one. The patch was used in a browser plugin that uses PowerPoint Viewer (97/2003/2007) and WINE to display PowerPoint slideshows. While developing the plugin, I've found that PowerPoint Viewer always playback slides inside a window that covers the whole desktop. Hence the idea was born to embed the desktop inside a native X11 window.
I thought this patch might be useful to others with similar requirements, namely, to embed full-screen win32 applications inside a native X11 window. Regards, Timothy Lee
"Timothy Lee" <timothy.lee(a)siriushk.com> wrote:
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've implemented is useful. I'm actually using this code as the basis of a PowerPoint plugin under Linux. I little bit more information won't hurt. For instance why your plugin needs to re-route the whole desktop window, and not just its own one. The patch was used in a browser plugin that uses PowerPoint Viewer (97/2003/2007) and WINE to display PowerPoint slideshows.
It's still now clear to me what kind of plugin it is, and what it is doing. You call it once "a PowerPoint plugin", and next time "a browser plugin".
While developing the plugin, I've found that PowerPoint Viewer always playback slides inside a window that covers the whole desktop. Hence the idea was born to embed the desktop inside a native X11 window.
An application plugin usually has access to the application internals in some fashion, so I don't understand how that idea jumped from an application window (where the plugin lives) to the whole desktop window (a separate process).
I thought this patch might be useful to others with similar requirements, namely, to embed full-screen win32 applications inside a native X11 window.
That kind of hack has nothing to do with Wine desktop window if what it targets is just an application window. -- Dmitry.
Dear Dmitry, Dmitry Timoshkov wrote:
"Timothy Lee" <timothy.lee(a)siriushk.com> wrote:
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've implemented is useful. I'm actually using this code as the basis of a PowerPoint plugin under Linux. I little bit more information won't hurt. For instance why your plugin needs to re-route the whole desktop window, and not just its own one. The patch was used in a browser plugin that uses PowerPoint Viewer (97/2003/2007) and WINE to display PowerPoint slideshows. It's still now clear to me what kind of plugin it is, and what it is doing. You call it once "a PowerPoint plugin", and next time "a browser plugin". It's a PowerPoint plugin for Mozilla-based browsers, which can be used to embed a PowerPoint slideshow inside a web page. So yes, both references were valid (though, as you have indicated, no crystal clear). While developing the plugin, I've found that PowerPoint Viewer always playback slides inside a window that covers the whole desktop. Hence the idea was born to embed the desktop inside a native X11 window. An application plugin usually has access to the application internals in some fashion, so I don't understand how that idea jumped from an application window (where the plugin lives) to the whole desktop window (a separate process). No, I don't have the "internal" of the PowerPoint Viewer, as it's written by Microsoft. However, the plugin code does know about the X11 window supplied by the browser for embedding purpose, and this is passed via the newly defined environmental variable to Wine. I thought this patch might be useful to others with similar requirements, namely, to embed full-screen win32 applications inside a native X11 window. That kind of hack has nothing to do with Wine desktop window if what it targets is just an application window. Um. How about if the scope of the patch is repharsed as "embedding the Wine desktop inside an X11 window"?
Regards, Timothy
"Timothy Lee" <timothy.lee(a)siriushk.com> wrote:
That kind of hack has nothing to do with Wine desktop window if what it targets is just an application window. Um. How about if the scope of the patch is repharsed as "embedding the Wine desktop inside an X11 window"?
Perhaps the most easy way for you to accomplish this would be write a replacement for Wine's explorer. Have a look at programs/explorer/desktop.c for ideas. -- Dmitry.
Dmitry Timoshkov wrote:
"Timothy Lee" <timothy.lee(a)siriushk.com> wrote:
That kind of hack has nothing to do with Wine desktop window if what it targets is just an application window. Um. How about if the scope of the patch is repharsed as "embedding the Wine desktop inside an X11 window"?
Perhaps the most easy way for you to accomplish this would be write a replacement for Wine's explorer. Have a look at programs/explorer/desktop.c for ideas.
Thanks for the tip. Will checkout the source code. Regards, Timothy
Hi, I'm just bumping into this discussion. From what I read the reason you need such functionality is for a mozilla powerpoint plugin. Have you figured out how this embedding is done on Windows? I don't know much about it but I think embedding works using COM and perhaps almost the same as e.g. Flash. For example codeweavers has a plugin to embed IE plugins in mozilla, the same for the KDE reaktivate project which did something similar for Konqueror (although it can be used on mozilla too as they put it all in a library). Likely IE plugins work differently but I think the same embedding mechanism could be used, so you won't need such an X11 hack. Regards, Roderick -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer
Dear Roderick, Roderick Colenbrander wrote:
I'm just bumping into this discussion. From what I read the reason you need such functionality is for a mozilla powerpoint plugin. Have you figured out how this embedding is done on Windows? I don't know much about it but I think embedding works using COM and perhaps almost the same as e.g. Flash.
For example codeweavers has a plugin to embed IE plugins in mozilla, the same for the KDE reaktivate project which did something similar for Konqueror (although it can be used on mozilla too as they put it all in a library). Likely IE plugins work differently but I think the same embedding mechanism could be used, so you won't need such an X11 hack.
I've been doing some research on this during the development of my plugin, and came across the info on http://pptfaq.com/FAQ00153.htm, which mentioned that ActiveX support on PowerPoint Viewer 2003 and 2007 were removed on purpose. The only way to embed using COM objects is to install the full suite of MS Office. Another possibility to embed PowerPoint under Windows is to make use of system hooks, which can intercept the creation of the slideshow window. I believe it could be done this way, but have not investigated further. Regards, Timothy
On 2/17/08, Dmitry Timoshkov <dmitry(a)codeweavers.com> wrote:
"Timothy Lee" <timothy.lee(a)siriushk.com> wrote:
That kind of hack has nothing to do with Wine desktop window if what it targets is just an application window. Um. How about if the scope of the patch is repharsed as "embedding the Wine desktop inside an X11 window"?
Perhaps the most easy way for you to accomplish this would be write a replacement for Wine's explorer. Have a look at programs/explorer/desktop.c for ideas.
As detlef pointed out about the screensavers, there does seem to be a few valid cases for this. Maybe support for embedding could be put inside of the existing explorer? I'd like to add support for Windows screensavers. A while back I submitted a patch that needs some rework for xdg-screensavers but I expect users will want to also be able to use the native ones. -- Steven Edwards "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo
"Steven Edwards" <winehacker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As detlef pointed out about the screensavers, there does seem to be a few valid cases for this. Maybe support for embedding could be put inside of the existing explorer? I'd like to add support for Windows screensavers. A while back I submitted a patch that needs some rework for xdg-screensavers but I expect users will want to also be able to use the native ones.
Windows screen-savers already support drawing in a window without external ugly hacks. -- Dmitry.
On Fr, 2008-02-15 at 15:46 +0000, Robert Shearman wrote:
Timothy Lee wrote:
The attached patch allows the WINE desktop to be embedded within an existing X11 window, and is similar to the windowed mode in WINE.
I'm struggling to imagine a case where the behaviour you've implemented is useful.
With XSCREENSAVER_WINDOW as the Environment Variable: http://wiki.winehq.org/ScreenSavers -- By by ... Detlef
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