ROTD (Rant Of The Day): patches
Guys, I've come to _hate_ diffs attached as Application/OCTET-STREAM. Can you please, Please, PLEASE, attach them as Text/PLAIN? I use Pine over a ssh connection to read wine-{devel,patches}, and I can simply view the Text/PLAIN attachments, whereas I have to: -- press V to view the list of attachments -- select the attachment I want to view -- press S to save it to disk -- exit Pine -- start vi to actually view the thing -- restart pine... Just to view a Application/OCTET-STREAM attachment. Which means 2 things: -- I get frustrated (and look what happens when I do:)) -- I simply ignore those patches For all these reasons (and more), I think Linus is right when he insists on: -- ONE patch per email -- ONLY Text/PLAIN attachments. -- Dimi.
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
Guys,
I've come to _hate_ diffs attached as Application/OCTET-STREAM. Can you please, Please, PLEASE, attach them as Text/PLAIN?
Another issue which is dear to Alexandre :-) When I send a patch with netscape and then read the email in pine, I see the email and the attachement right below it. When I send a patch with pine, I have to use V, select the attachement and pine forks an external pager (more/less/whatever). That's fine too but slightly less practical. I am not sure what is the difference between the two. I believe it has to do with one being a MIME attachement while the other would be... I don't know what. And Alexandre once said he would like it if my attachements were more readily accessible (in emacs). So if anyone has tips for configuring pine so that it makes nicer attachements... -- Francois Gouget fgouget(a)free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ It really galls me that most of the computer power in the world is wasted on screen savers. Chris Caldwell from the GIMPS project http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Francois Gouget wrote:
Another issue which is dear to Alexandre :-)
I wonder why?... :)
When I send a patch with netscape and then read the email in pine, I see the email and the attachement right below it. When I send a patch with pine, I have to use V, select the attachement and pine forks an external pager (more/less/whatever). That's fine too but slightly less practical.
BTW, how do you fork the external pager?
So if anyone has tips for configuring pine so that it makes nicer attachements...
Me too! :) That is, I would like to know as well. I guess you can insert the patch in the body of the message using: ^R - from Pico to "Read File" or ^_ - to go to the alternate editor (vi) and do the dirty deed in there. -- Dimi.
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: [...]
BTW, how do you fork the external pager?
I just do '>', select the attachement and 'V'. I don't think I have any specific option. [...]
Me too! :) That is, I would like to know as well.
I guess you can insert the patch in the body of the message using: ^R - from Pico to "Read File"
Maybe I'll try that. it should tae care of botht the MIME and base64 issues. Putting a patch directly inline worries me though. -- Francois Gouget fgouget(a)free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ Linux, WinNT, MS-DOS - also known as the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
"Dimitrie O. Paun" <dimi(a)cs.toronto.edu> writes:
For all these reasons (and more), I think Linus is right when he insists on: -- ONE patch per email -- ONLY Text/PLAIN attachments.
I can't say I disagree with you, but I'll just note that all your patches are base64 encoded, which is not really better <g> IMO any mail that cannot be piped straight into patch should be rejected; but I don't do it because it would take me more time to explain that to people sending patches and keep track of it all than it takes me to decode them. Maybe we should put an auto-rejecter of mime crap on the wine-patches list.. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com
Maybe we should put an auto-rejecter of mime crap on the wine-patches list.. or an automatic converter/inliner...
A+ -- --------------- Eric Pouech (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eric.pouech/) "The future will be better tomorrow", Vice President Dan Quayle
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
I can't say I disagree with you, but I'll just note that all your patches are base64 encoded, which is not really better <g>
Oops <blush/> (but, ..., but, ... mine are Text/PLAIN at least :)) Sorry, I did not realise that. Speaking of which, I don't have the slightest idea how to force Pine not to do that. Maybe the only way is to actually _insert_ the text of the patch at the end of the message, but as far as I know, there are some broken versions of Pine out that will mangle the patch in sublte ways.
IMO any mail that cannot be piped straight into patch should be rejected
Agreed. I am sorry I caused you grief by sending you base64 patches, from my mailer POV they seemed to be "in clear".
but I don't do it because it would take me more time to explain that to people sending patches and keep track of it all than it takes me to decode them. Maybe we should put an auto-rejecter of mime crap on the wine-patches list..
Yeah, that would be good. Maybe include something into the documentation describing how to send the patch using various mailers? -- Dimi.
Hmm, looks like after the failed attempt for a flame war on version numbering, you are trying to start one on mail clients 8-=) On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:52:19PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
I've come to _hate_ diffs attached as Application/OCTET-STREAM. Can you please, Please, PLEASE, attach them as Text/PLAIN?
I'd like to see properly labeled attachment types too, be they text/plain, mime, gzip or whatever.
I use Pine over a ssh connection to read wine-{devel,patches}, and I can simply view the Text/PLAIN attachments, whereas I have to:
Hmm, the problem you mentioned is one of the two major reasons that drove me away from pine towards mutt. I'm now running a (n almost) properly configured mutt and don't have these problems any more because app/o-s are just viewed with the text viewer after pressing v and selecting the attachment (which takes maybe 2 seconds). I don't like your idea of 1 patch per mail, as this would probably take me 2-3 additional seconds per mail (poor me). ciao Jörg -- Joerg Mayer <jmayer(a)loplof.de> I found out that "pro" means "instead of" (as in proconsul). Now I know what proactive means.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:52:19PM -0500, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
I've come to _hate_ diffs attached as Application/OCTET-STREAM. Can you please, Please, PLEASE, attach them as Text/PLAIN?
I use Pine over a ssh connection to read wine-{devel,patches}, and I can Use a better mailer like mutt ;) ?
simply view the Text/PLAIN attachments, whereas I have to: -- press V to view the list of attachments -- select the attachment I want to view -- press S to save it to disk This is what have todo with mutt too, but I don't have to save. I press <Enter> to display the message. mutt complains about not having an appropiate method for the mime type and displays it in it's internal pager. I suspect this should work in pine too.
-- exit Pine -- start vi to actually view the thing -- restart pine... Uuuh ... this is like rebooting. Has pine a "pipe" function (it's long ago when I saw The Light and switched to mutt)? That's what i do in mutt wenn I get an gzip'ed patch: go to the list of attachments, select the attachment and pipe it through zless. So no need to leave the mailer.
Just to view a Application/OCTET-STREAM attachment. They don't annoy me too much, but the extra key strokes I need to view them will get me the carpal tunnel syndrome.
bye michael P.S.: sorry, couldn't resist
Which means 2 things: -- I get frustrated (and look what happens when I do:)) -- I simply ignore those patches
For all these reasons (and more), I think Linus is right when he insists on: -- ONE patch per email -- ONLY Text/PLAIN attachments.
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