Lindows screenshots

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

Hi,

I just got this - Lindows released 2 screenshots of their Lindows: 
www.lindows.com/screenshots

Now, IF they did use wine (and thats a big if - from the screenshots they're 
running either Office 2K or office XP, Internet Explorer, the fonts looks 
like MS TTF fonts, and I think those screenshots are modified a bit - look at 
the 2nd screenshots, behind the start menu - look at the "file/edit/view" 
menu - it should be alligned to the left) and they'll contribute some parts 
of their wine to the standard wine - then wine will be in much better shape 
then what is it today.

Hetz

[J.Brown (Ender/Amigo)]

Thisn is going to be a fun one - think of all the M$ patents and EULA's
they are breaking :)

M$ might leave us alone - but a competative product looking that much like
windows? No chanec.

Which probably means we'll never see a line of code.. A) Because they'll
keep it to themselves, and B) because they'll be out of buisness within a
month of first sales.

Call me a cynic :p

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                | indistinguishable from a perl script.
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  (James Brown) | [Nehahra, EasyCuts, PureLS, www.QuakeSrc.org]

On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:48:14 +0200
> From: Hetz Ben Hamo <hetz(a)kde.org>
> To: wine-devel(a)winehq.com
> Subject: Lindows screenshots
>
> Hi,
>
> I just got this - Lindows released 2 screenshots of their Lindows:
> www.lindows.com/screenshots
>
> Now, IF they did use wine (and thats a big if - from the screenshots they're
> running either Office 2K or office XP, Internet Explorer, the fonts looks
> like MS TTF fonts, and I think those screenshots are modified a bit - look at
> the 2nd screenshots, behind the start menu - look at the "file/edit/view"
> menu - it should be alligned to the left) and they'll contribute some parts
> of their wine to the standard wine - then wine will be in much better shape
> then what is it today.
>
> Hetz

[Bill Medland]

"J.Brown (Ender/Amigo)" <ender(a)enderboi.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.31.0201042213560.18672-100000(a)shaker.worfie.net...
> Thisn is going to be a fun one - think of all the M$ patents and EULA's
> they are breaking :)
>
> M$ might leave us alone - but a competative product looking that much like
> windows? No chanec.

Did you notice that M$ are already on the offensive; they are going to court
over the name itself.

Bill

[Derek J Witt]

Yeah, M$ is claiming that they got -indows as a registered trademark.
But, they tried to register "Windows" (by itself) as a registered
trademark a few years back. But they got turned down because the word
"windows" is a common English word.   They cannot register word suffices
as registered trademarks IMO.

Personally, who is going to confuse between "Windows" and "Lindows?"  If
one isn't paying attention, they may sound similar, but in print, they are
unmistakingly different.

It's  yet another abuse of their monopoly status. Just my two cents worth.

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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Bill Medland wrote:
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:48:37 -0800
> From: Bill Medland <medbi01_1(a)accpac.com>
> To: wine-devel(a)winehq.com
> Subject: Re: Lindows screenshots
>
> "J.Brown (Ender/Amigo)" <ender(a)enderboi.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.31.0201042213560.18672-100000(a)shaker.worfie.net...
> > Thisn is going to be a fun one - think of all the M$ patents and EULA's
> > they are breaking :)
> >
> > M$ might leave us alone - but a competative product looking that much like
> > windows? No chanec.
>
> Did you notice that M$ are already on the offensive; they are going to court
> over the name itself.
>
> Bill

[Bill Medland]

"Hetz Ben Hamo" <hetz(a)kde.org> wrote in message
news:E16MRt0-0004gu-00(a)witch.dyndns.org...
> Hi,
>
> I just got this - Lindows released 2 screenshots of their Lindows:
> www.lindows.com/screenshots
>
> Now, IF they did use wine (and thats a big if

Why?  It looks to me like KDE & Wine and enough hard work to get a couple of
office apps up with some reasonable fonts (and the usual minimal touchup
work for marketing screenshots)

<Cut>
> menu - it should be alligned to the left) and they'll contribute some
> parts
> of their wine to the standard wine - then wine will be in much better
> shape
> then what is it today.

I wouldn't hold my breath; why would they contribute the valuable stuff
back?

Bill

[Bang Jun-Young]

On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:06:11AM -0800, Bill Medland wrote:
> I wouldn't hold my breath; why would they contribute the valuable stuff
> back?

What do you think of people that have contributed their invaluable
time/money/energy/passion/etc to Wine for last years? :P

Jun-Young

-- 
Bang Jun-Young <junyoung(a)mogua.com>

[Bill Medland]

"Bang Jun-Young" <junyoung(a)mogua.com> wrote in message
news:20020108023339.A5460(a)krishna...
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:06:11AM -0800, Bill Medland wrote:
> > I wouldn't hold my breath; why would they contribute the valuable stuff
> > back?
>
> What do you think of people that have contributed their invaluable
> time/money/energy/passion/etc to Wine for last years? :P

Sorry you took offence.

I am in awe of what the team have achieved since the early days and
impressed at how rapidly things appear to be moving at present.  I believe
in what Wine is doing, which is part of the reason why I am one of the
people working on it (although I don't do all that much).  I also get an
impression that much of the development is based on altruism rather than
financial concerns (which I guess is your point).

Wine is now getting to quite an advanced state and so begins to look
attractive to a lot of people.

We have just finished a major discussion of the license and are basically
going to leave it as it stands; at least that's my understanding.  (And I
agree with that)

Gavriel has been quite up-front about what TransGaming are doing, in a
business sense.  Basically when the company reaches the equivalent of about
$1million a year they can consider that they are recouping their investment
and can feel comfortable passing back significant code.  This implies to me
a sense of honesty tinged with realistic business sense.

Lindows, to the best of my knowledge, have made no such business committment
to Wine; they agree to abide by all licenses but, as we have just discussed,
the license does not require them to publish their source code.  Considering
their marketing etc. and their target market.I expect them to hang onto the
work they have done for quite a while before feeding it back to the Wine
tree.  Maybe I am wrong (and I hope I am) but what we have to recognise is
that Wine is now getting to the stage at which big business gets interested.

Bill

NB These are my own personal views..

[James Tabor]

Bang Jun-Young wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:06:11AM -0800, Bill Medland wrote:
> > I wouldn't hold my breath; why would they contribute the valuable stuff
> > back?
>
> What do you think of people that have contributed their invaluable
> time/money/energy/passion/etc to Wine for last years? :P
>
> Jun-Young
>
> --
> Bang Jun-Young <junyoung(a)mogua.com>

Personally I would be pissed off if someone is making money after all the
work I had but into a "Free Project" assuming it would be free for everyone
else to use, including the source.

I guess the project should change the license to LGPL and make it
retroactive and enforce it.
James

[Steve Langasek]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, James Tabor wrote:
> Bang Jun-Young wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:06:11AM -0800, Bill Medland wrote:
> > > I wouldn't hold my breath; why would they contribute the valuable stuff
> > > back?
> > What do you think of people that have contributed their invaluable
> > time/money/energy/passion/etc to Wine for last years? :P
> Personally I would be pissed off if someone is making money after all the
> work I had but into a "Free Project" assuming it would be free for everyone
> else to use, including the source.
> I guess the project should change the license to LGPL and make it
> retroactive and enforce it.

Once a license has been granted, it can't be unilaterally revoked.
Although going forward Wine could be distributed under a different license
than the present one, past decisions will stand.

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

[J.Brown (Ender/Amigo)]

> Personally I would be pissed off if someone is making money after all the
> work I had but into a "Free Project" assuming it would be free for everyone
> else to use, including the source.
>
> I guess the project should change the license to LGPL and make it
> retroactive and enforce it.
> James

Well, I wouldn't go that far. But alas the Lindows work will probably
never see the light of day, according to the interview linked from
slashdot..

"While Lindows will be constructed on top of open-source software, some of
its key elements will be proprietary -- a strategy that will not make some
open-source advocates happy but which Robertson says is essential to
making the business work."

Similar to Transgaming, only it looks like they've made major progress in
making just everyday apps work.