Re: Installshield 6 (inter-proc) patches

[Gerard Patel]

At 02:20 PM 16/12/2001 -0800, you wrote:
> Well, this sounds like an argument for the LGPL. There is absolutely
> no guarantee of stability with the X11 license; anybody can start a
> Wine tree under another license, and if developers think this is a
> good idea there is nothing I or anybody else can do to prevent it.

Theoretically yes. The project leader has a much higher
chance to do it successfully in fact. Since he is fixing the
rules in the first place he has to be more responsible IMO.
> It's simply part of the existing rules that the rules can change.

trusting people is always a problem, yes.
> You know, that's exactly why we are having this discussion. If I was
> as selfish as you seem to think, I could change the license today
> without asking anybody.
> I'm not doing it precisely because I *do* care
> what people think, and I won't make the change unless it is acceptable
> to at least a large majority of the people affected by the change (and
> yes that includes Transgaming).

it's for them (and possibly others professionals) to say then.

Gerard

Installshield 6 (inter-proc) patches

[Alexandre Julliard]

Gerard Patel <gerard.patel(a)nerim.net> writes:
> Theoretically yes. The project leader has a much higher
> chance to do it successfully in fact. Since he is fixing the
> rules in the first place he has to be more responsible IMO.

I don't know what gave you the idea I'm fixing the rules. The original
license what chosen by consensus among the developers, the change to
X11 was accepted by everybody. All I can do is propose changes, others
can propose changes too; the change is only implemented if people
accept it. I can only lead where people are willing to follow.
> > It's simply part of the existing rules that the rules can change.
>
> trusting people is always a problem, yes.

Trust has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nothing gives you the
right to demand that people continue to release their code under the
X11 license. The existing code will always remain available, nothing
can change that. For new code, if developers decide that they want to
put it under the LGPL that is their choice, and if the majority think
including LGPL code in the main tree is a good thing I'll do it,
otherwise I won't.
> > I'm not doing it precisely because I *do* care
> > what people think, and I won't make the change unless it is acceptable
> > to at least a large majority of the people affected by the change (and
> > yes that includes Transgaming).
>
> it's for them (and possibly others professionals) to say then.

It's for *everybody* to say.

-- 
Alexandre Julliard
julliard(a)winehq.com

Installshield 6 (inter-proc) patches

On 16 Dec 2001, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
> It's for *everybody* to say.

Well, if you really want to hear from *everybody*, here is one of it.
As much as I am able, I will contribute to Wine.  I recommended the X11
license because I thought it seemed to work for XFree86, but maybe LGPL
would work better.  If I fix a bug, I will send a patch.  If you don't
accept the patch, I may argue.  Sometimes I may even be right.

I don't much care which license we use, so long as Billy G. can't buy
us, and so long as the source is free.

I don't mean to hurt of insult anybody, and thank you, Gerard,
Alexandre, ...see <wine>/AUTHORS ... for your contributions to Wine.

Lawson

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.    - Dylan Thomas