whats wrong with the wine devel list

[Karl Lattimer]

Hi, 

I am having real issue with this list, I can't distinguish betweeen list
mail, other email and spam. Why is there no prefix [wine-devel] in the
subject line?

Also I don't particularly like the reply-to setup here, can't it just be
munged back to the list, rather than replying to an individual?

And finally, why does it take half a day for a post I've made to ping
back to my email inbox?

This list seems to be in some kind of 1990's time warp of usability.

Can it be changed?

Kind regards,
  K,

[Marcus Meissner]

On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 11:47:07AM +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am having real issue with this list, I can't distinguish betweeen list
> mail, other email and spam. Why is there no prefix [wine-devel] in the
> subject line?

The List-Id: header is the canonical way to do.
> Also I don't particularly like the reply-to setup here, can't it just be
> munged back to the list, rather than replying to an individual?

Everyone else is fine by it.
> And finally, why does it take half a day for a post I've made to ping
> back to my email inbox?

It likely was in the moderation queue for some reason.
All your latest mails seem to have arrived in time.

Ciao, Marcus

[Karl Lattimer]

On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 15:18 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 11:47:07AM +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am having real issue with this list, I can't distinguish betweeen list
> > mail, other email and spam. Why is there no prefix [wine-devel] in the
> > subject line?
>
> The List-Id: header is the canonical way to do.

It would just be nice to visually identify when something is wine
related. All other lists I've used to this, it just makes sense to me.
The list-id header doesn't appear to be set on my full headers output.
I'd still like to have [wine-devel] prepended to the subject line, I get
lots of list mail and like to when someone emails me personally or via
the list.
> > Also I don't particularly like the reply-to setup here, can't it just be
> > munged back to the list, rather than replying to an individual?
>
> Everyone else is fine by it.

I had this same argument, along with many other users of the lcdproc
mailing list, most _users_ agreed, but the two list admins refused to
change it. I think its best to mung the reply, its my personal
preference but its not as important as the subject line issue. Having
said that, the lcdproc guys also let unsubscribed users email into the
list, resulting in a massive increase in spam to my mailbox.
> > And finally, why does it take half a day for a post I've made to ping
> > back to my email inbox?
>
> It likely was in the moderation queue for some reason.
> All your latest mails seem to have arrived in time.

Yes, it seems to be arriving OK now...
> Ciao, Marcus

[Duane Clark]

Karl Lattimer wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 15:18 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 11:47:07AM +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > ...
> > > And finally, why does it take half a day for a post I've made to ping
> > > back to my email inbox?
> > > It likely was in the moderation queue for some reason.
> > > All your latest mails seem to have arrived in time.
>
> Yes, it seems to be arriving OK now...

You are subscribed to the list as karl--at--qdh.org.uk, but mostly (like 
now) sending emails as karl--at--nncc.info. When you send email from an 
unsubscribed address, it goes to the moderation queue. Manual 
intervention is then required before your message gets sent on to the 
list. How long that takes depends on when the moderators get around to it.

If you want to continue using both addresses, the solution is to 
subscribe both addresses. Assuming you don't want two copies of postings 
sent to you, go to your settings page for one of the addresses, and turn 
off "Mail delivery".

[Karl Lattimer]

On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 13:30 -0700, Duane Clark wrote:
> Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 15:18 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 11:47:07AM +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > And finally, why does it take half a day for a post I've made to ping
> > > > back to my email inbox?
> > > > It likely was in the moderation queue for some reason.
> > > > All your latest mails seem to have arrived in time.
> >
> > Yes, it seems to be arriving OK now...
>
> You are subscribed to the list as karl--at--qdh.org.uk, but mostly (like 
> now) sending emails as karl--at--nncc.info. When you send email from an 
> unsubscribed address, it goes to the moderation queue. Manual 
> intervention is then required before your message gets sent on to the 
> list. How long that takes depends on when the moderators get around to it.
>
> If you want to continue using both addresses, the solution is to 
> subscribe both addresses. Assuming you don't want two copies of postings 
> sent to you, go to your settings page for one of the addresses, and turn 
> off "Mail delivery".

Ah, dual accounts on one server in evolution, this explains it! Doh!

Thanks for the heads up, I probably wouldn't have noticed otherwise.

K,
>

[Joao Inacio]

I use GMail, and i can filter by subject or by "to:" header... but not "cc:"...

some emails get filtered, and some don't so i need to keep sorting them.

just my 2 euro-cents

--
João Inácio
http://www.jcinacio.com

[Travis Watkins]

On 4/2/06, Joao Inacio <jcinacio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I use GMail, and i can filter by subject or by "to:" header... but not "cc:"...

In the To: line for the filter put "*) AND cc:(wine-devel(a)winehq.org"
to create a cc: filter.

--
Travis Watkins
http://www.realistanew.com

[n0dalus]

On 4/3/06, Joao Inacio <jcinacio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I use GMail, and i can filter by subject or by "to:" header... but not "cc:"...
>
> some emails get filtered, and some don't so i need to keep sorting them.

In my gmail I am only filtering by to. I think to works for cc as
well. The problem might be that some users for some strange reason
send list mail to winehq.com instead of winehq.org -- like now we are
all replying to a subthread Duane started by sending one to
winehq.com. So in my filter I have:

To:(wine-devel(a)winehq.com OR wine-devel(a)winehq.org)

[Matt Finnicum]

Gmail also:

To: wine-devel

just does any domain.

On 4/2/06, n0dalus <n0dalus+wine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/3/06, Joao Inacio <jcinacio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > I use GMail, and i can filter by subject or by "to:" header... but not
> > "cc:"...
> >
> > some emails get filtered, and some don't so i need to keep sorting them.
>
> In my gmail I am only filtering by to. I think to works for cc as
> well. The problem might be that some users for some strange reason
> send list mail to winehq.com instead of winehq.org -- like now we are
> all replying to a subthread Duane started by sending one to
> winehq.com. So in my filter I have:
>
> To:(wine-devel(a)winehq.com OR wine-devel(a)winehq.org)

[Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)]

Marcus Meissner wrote:
> Also I don't particularly like the reply-to setup here, can't it just be
> munged back to the list, rather than replying to an individual?
>
> Everyone else is fine by it.

Actually I'd prefer it to only reply to the list as well.

[Kai Blin]

* "Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)" <speeddymon(a)gmail.com> [02/04/06, 09:36:53]:
> Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > Also I don't particularly like the reply-to setup here, can't it just be
> > munged back to the list, rather than replying to an individual?
> >
> > Everyone else is fine by it.
>
> Actually I'd prefer it to only reply to the list as well.

I'd prefer to keep it like it is. Mutt has a "group reply" feature that
works just fine and I think most other email clients have that, too.

Kai

-- 
Kai Blin, (blin at gmx dot net)
I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it.

[Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)]

Kai Blin wrote:
> * "Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)" <speeddymon(a)gmail.com> [02/04/06, 09:36:53]:
> > Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > > Also I don't particularly like the reply-to setup here, can't it just be
> > > munged back to the list, rather than replying to an individual?
> > >
> > > Everyone else is fine by it.
> >
> > Actually I'd prefer it to only reply to the list as well.
>
> I'd prefer to keep it like it is. Mutt has a "group reply" feature that
> works just fine and I think most other email clients have that, too.
>
> Kai

Yes, most do, and I am using one that does (Thunderbird), but out of 
habit, I hit the reply button instead of reply to all, and it's annoying 
having to either close the new mail window and click reply to all, or 
manually type in wine-devel, and of course if I forget both, I have to 
go to my sent mail and forward it, removing all of the stuff that makes 
it look like a forward.

Tom

[n0dalus]

On 4/2/06, Karl Lattimer <karl(a)nncc.info> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am having real issue with this list, I can't distinguish betweeen list
> mail, other email and spam. Why is there no prefix [wine-devel] in the
> subject line?

Use a mail client that can filter by To: fields.
> Also I don't particularly like the reply-to setup here, can't it just be
> munged back to the list, rather than replying to an individual?

The reply-to setup here is exactly as it should be. Munging reply-to
addresses is one of the worst things a mailing list can do. Read this
for more info:
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
> And finally, why does it take half a day for a post I've made to ping
> back to my email inbox?

No idea. If you're subscribed there should be only a minimal delay. I
don't see when my mails area returned to me, so it could be a global
thing.

n0dalus.

[Segin]

n0dalus wrote:
> On 4/2/06, Karl Lattimer <karl(a)nncc.info> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am having real issue with this list, I can't distinguish betweeen list
> > mail, other email and spam. Why is there no prefix [wine-devel] in the
> > subject line?
>
> Use a mail client that can filter by To: fields.
> > Also I don't particularly like the reply-to setup here, can't it just be
> > munged back to the list, rather than replying to an individual?
>
> The reply-to setup here is exactly as it should be. Munging reply-to
> addresses is one of the worst things a mailing list can do. Read this
> for more info:
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
> > And finally, why does it take half a day for a post I've made to ping
> > back to my email inbox?

I never see ANY of the posts I make once I make them. Could be a setting 
of my email client to not fetch email I sent myself, but seems unlikey 
cause GMail's web interface never claims to have anything from myself.
> No idea. If you're subscribed there should be only a minimal delay. I
> don't see when my mails area returned to me, so it could be a global
> thing.
>
> n0dalus.

[Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea)]

Segin wrote:
> I never see ANY of the posts I make once I make them. Could be a 
> setting of my email client to not fetch email I sent myself, but seems 
> unlikey cause GMail's web interface never claims to have anything from 
> myself.

I think GMail drops mails sent by your own account (does the same for 
me) because when I was subscribed to wine-devel thru yahoo, I always 
received my own emails, and it drove me nuts.

Tom

[Segin]

Tom Spear (Dustin Booker, Dustin Navea) wrote:
> Segin wrote:
> > I never see ANY of the posts I make once I make them. Could be a 
> > setting of my email client to not fetch email I sent myself, but 
> > seems unlikey cause GMail's web interface never claims to have 
> > anything from myself.
>
> I think GMail drops mails sent by your own account (does the same for 
> me) because when I was subscribed to wine-devel thru yahoo, I always 
> received my own emails, and it drove me nuts.
>
> Tom

That must be the case. I know that if i explicitly email myself, it 
shows up in my Inbox, but Thunderbird never collects it. Useful for 
gmailfs stuffs