remote app problem: menus go away at wrong time
I was sitting at my wife's XP machine with a spare five minutes, and it suddently came to me that I haven't done enough remote testing of Wine. So I ran wcmd cygwin startx ssh -X mybox ssh mylaptop wine spyxx.exe just to see how well wine would work via two ssh hops on top of x on top of cygwin on top of winxp. First issue: you can't use the menus with the mouse! Sure, they'll pop up, but when you move the mouse down to one of the menu items, the menu goes away. It decides the user really wanted to highlight the toolbar, or something. Before you say "Aw, nobody'll do that", consider that LTSP is getting a lot more popular... and last week a local small business owner I know asked me to help set up diskless Linux workstations to run his existing Windows apps. - Dan -- Dan Kegel http://www.kegel.com http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 08:40, Dan Kegel wrote:
I was sitting at my wife's XP machine with a spare five minutes, and it suddently came to me that I haven't done enough remote testing of Wine. So I ran wcmd cygwin startx ssh -X mybox ssh mylaptop wine spyxx.exe just to see how well wine would work via two ssh hops on top of x on top of cygwin on top of winxp.
First issue: you can't use the menus with the mouse! Sure, they'll pop up, but when you move the mouse down to one of the menu items, the menu goes away. It decides the user really wanted to highlight the toolbar, or something.
Before you say "Aw, nobody'll do that", consider that LTSP is getting a lot more popular... and last week a local small business owner I know asked me to help set up diskless Linux workstations to run his existing Windows apps.
I use LTSP to run a diskless Linux workstation. I'm running two Windows programs on top of it regularly (two dictionaries). And they work exactly the same as they work on the main machine. I have also tried some other programs too, and never seen any difference beetween the local and the remote machine (wrt this). So it works pretty good. I dont know for what the above cygwin and double ssh is needed. I dont need it :) Regards Zsolt
Zsolt Rizsanyi wrote:
I use LTSP to run a diskless Linux workstation. I'm running two Windows programs on top of it regularly (two dictionaries). And they work exactly the same as they work on the main machine. I have also tried some other programs too, and never seen any difference beetween the local and the remote machine (wrt this).
So it works pretty good. I dont know for what the above cygwin and double ssh is needed. I dont need it :)
Think about it: the computer I was using was running Windows XP. The only free X server for Windows I know of is the Cygwin one. ssh was needed to get to the remote computer to start the X program. I'm not saying everyone is going to use this configuration -- in fact, the test was more for humor value than anything else -- but there's no reason it shouldn't work. - Dan -- Dan Kegel http://www.kegel.com http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045
At 23.40 27/01/2003 -0800, Dan Kegel wrote:
[...] First issue: you can't use the menus with the mouse! Sure, they'll pop up, but when you move the mouse down to one of the menu items, the menu goes away. It decides the user really wanted to highlight the toolbar, or something.
You have the same behavior when using eXceed from a Windows machine to talk with a Linux box. The mouse coordinates are properly converted to detect toolbar hits, and even to highlight the entry in the menu that is beneath the cursor, but when you click, you get a completely different point. Alberto
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Dan Kegel wrote: [...]
First issue: you can't use the menus with the mouse! Sure, they'll pop up, but when you move the mouse down to one of the menu items, the menu goes away. It decides the user really wanted to highlight the toolbar, or something.
I have heard about similar symptoms before and if memory serves it's a window manager issue that can also happen on Linux. It may be related to focus follows mouse or something similar. So one possible way to attack this issue would be to find out who in the stack of applications you are using is playing the role of a 'window manager' wrt. Unix applications. Then try to fiddle with the focus settings. -- Francois Gouget fgouget(a)free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ f u kn rd ts, ur wy 2 gky 4 ur wn gd.
Francois Gouget wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Dan Kegel wrote:
First issue: you can't use the menus with the mouse! Sure, they'll pop up, but when you move the mouse down to one of the menu items, the menu goes away. It decides the user really wanted to highlight the toolbar, or something.
I have heard about similar symptoms before and if memory serves it's a window manager issue that can also happen on Linux. It may be related to focus follows mouse or something similar.
So one possible way to attack this issue would be to find out who in the stack of applications you are using is playing the role of a 'window manager' wrt. Unix applications. Then try to fiddle with the focus settings.
OK. FWIW, the window manager in use was TWM, the one that comes standard with X. Seems like we ought to support that one. It's the fallback window manager when nothing else is installed, and it's the only window manager available in Cygwin (unless I missed the other ones :-) - Dan -- Dan Kegel http://www.kegel.com http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Dan Kegel wrote: [...]
OK. FWIW, the window manager in use was TWM, the one that comes standard with X. Seems like we ought to support that one. It's the fallback window manager when nothing else is installed, and it's the only window manager available in Cygwin (unless I missed the other ones :-)
The focus behavior of most window managers can be configured to be either 'focus follow mous' or 'click to focus' (I believe these are how the options are called). Probably twm can be configured too. So I believe this problem only happens in relative corner cases: some window managers and only when they are configured for focus follows mouse. And I would not worry much about TWM as nobody in their right mind would you it. People use modern window managers nowadays... like fvwm95 ;-) -- Francois Gouget fgouget(a)free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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