quartz once again: was DEVENUM.DLL Implementation
Well, if you want to start work on Quartz, feel free to do it, you would be our saviour (to all the gamerz out there who cannot have intro / cutscene movies due to the missing Quartz stuff in Wine).
quartz was already was in wine once. but was removed from wine because of legal issues. that is, the author feared it was not legal and demanded it to be removed. transgaming is still using it in WineX and it's LGPL code so you if you really need it you can just copy it from their cvs tree. still i think it would be nice to have quarz in wine so i have been thinking about this one for some time. but what makes you think writing a new one is not going to have legal issues? Mark Hannessen
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:46:28AM +0000, Mark Hannessen wrote:
Well, if you want to start work on Quartz, feel free to do it, you would be our saviour (to all the gamerz out there who cannot have intro / cutscene movies due to the missing Quartz stuff in Wine).
quartz was already was in wine once. but was removed from wine because of legal issues. that is, the author feared it was not legal and demanded it to be removed.
transgaming is still using it in WineX and it's LGPL code so you if you really Yes, and that's because they are accepting the risk that somebody will sue them.
need it you can just copy it from their cvs tree.
still i think it would be nice to have quarz in wine so i have been thinking about this one for some time.
but what makes you think writing a new one is not going to have legal issues? It wasn't pulled out because of legal issues, it was pulled out because the author feared legal issues and asked Alexandre to remove it. And Alexandre respects that wish and wont accept the same code back in. New code will be accept.
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On Thursday 12 June 2003 10:22, you wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:46:28AM +0000, Mark Hannessen wrote:
Well, if you want to start work on Quartz, feel free to do it, you would be our saviour (to all the gamerz out there who cannot have intro / cutscene movies due to the missing Quartz stuff in Wine).
quartz was already was in wine once. but was removed from wine because of legal issues. that is, the author feared it was not legal and demanded it to be removed.
transgaming is still using it in WineX and it's LGPL code so you if you really
Yes, and that's because they are accepting the risk that somebody will sue them.
don't get me wrong, but i don't think there is any way to sue wineX for using LGPL code against the author's will. as long as they do not violate LGPL there is NO way to sue them. i've been following a discussion on the "arianne" mailinglist lately and some guy wanted his GPL'ed GFX removed and was told to go to hell. though i think is wrong behaviour it does prove you have to be really sure before making something (L)GPL because after that everyone can use it under that license forever. that is (L)GPL's great strengh ( and in this case it's weakness )
need it you can just copy it from their cvs tree.
still i think it would be nice to have quarz in wine so i have been thinking about this one for some time.
but what makes you think writing a new one is not going to have legal issues?
It wasn't pulled out because of legal issues, it was pulled out because the author feared legal issues and asked Alexandre to remove it. And Alexandre respects that wish and wont accept the same code back in. New code will be accept.
wouldn't it be possible to just shift maintainer / copyright holder / whatever to a new person that does believe it is legal and is willing to take that risk too. this because the person who will write new code has to accept the same legal issues as when he would be writing a new one. so why not just give him a quick start with pre-written code to get him going. if the origional author is risk-free ( because the new person is willing to accept them ) then the origional author should not really have a problem with that, should he? Mark Hannessen
wouldn't it be possible to just shift maintainer / copyright holder / whatever to a new person that does believe it is legal and is willing to take that risk too.
First, I explicitely told that we knew that the WineX QUARTZ DLL was LGPLed to not have this same debate again... My whole point is not 'was the previous QUARTZ code legal or not', it's rather 'do we respect the wishes of someone who wants to have his code removed'. I agree that, as the code was licensed as LPGL, we have no legal reasons to comply to this request, but well, I see it as basic respect regarding his co-developers. By the way, nobody ever knew *why* Hidenori asked to have his code removed. The fact that it's due to legal issues with the code are only, as far as I know, rumors. Lionel -- Lionel Ulmer - http://www.bbrox.org/
wouldn't it be possible to just shift maintainer / copyright holder / whatever to a new person that does believe it is legal and is willing to take that risk too.
Just to clarify - we've been talking on and off with Hidenori about something like this for some time. He seems rather busy though, and I have no further news to report at this time. Take care, -Gav -- Gavriel State, CEO & CTO TransGaming Technologies Inc. gav(a)transgaming.com http://www.transgaming.com/ Let the games begin
Mark Hannessen wrote:
don't get me wrong, but i don't think there is any way to sue wineX for using LGPL code against the author's will. as long as they do not violate LGPL there is NO way to sue them.
i've been following a discussion on the "arianne" mailinglist lately and some guy wanted his GPL'ed GFX removed and was told to go to hell.
Hi, I will jump in on this conversation very late........ Once up on a time there was a Quartz.dll in wine and it went away... So I say leave the past in the the past.... And we should put your/our future energy into the *future* We can cry and scream untill we turn blue in the face about the past but nothing will change !!...... The past is history and that is where it should stay.. In HISTORY.. So in the future if anyone cry's about the old quartz.dll im going to just reply. There was once a quartz.dll in wine but that was a long time ago and we are now looking forward to the the future with a better more feature ritch/robust quartz.dll. The old one was good but the next one will be even better.. Now the flames can start... But that will be my future re-ply to all ex- QUARTZ questions .. Tom
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