Tahoma font

[Louis. Lenders]

Hi, next week i have quite some (travel)time i have
 to kill, so i thought maybe i could use the time to
add tahoma font to wine (needed for Steam).  I played
 around a bit with fontforge and a basically i think
 i get how to create fonts, and add them to wine.
 However, i'm not sure what the legal way is to do
 this; if i import the windows Tahoma.TTF into
 fontforge it seems the .sfd is already generated but
 i guess it's not legal to add that to wine. Anyone
 could help me with a quick (and clear) HOWTO ? 
 
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[Brian Vincent]

On 4/27/06, Louis. Lenders <xerox_xerox2000(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi, next week i have quite some (travel)time i have
>  to kill, so i thought maybe i could use the time to
> add tahoma font to wine (needed for Steam).  I played
>  around a bit with fontforge and a basically i think
>  i get how to create fonts, and add them to wine.
>  However, i'm not sure what the legal way is to do
>  this; if i import the windows Tahoma.TTF into
>  fontforge it seems the .sfd is already generated but
>  i guess it's not legal to add that to wine. Anyone
>  could help me with a quick (and clear) HOWTO ?

1.  What happened to the ROS version of Tahoma?
2.  Anyone know the legal ramifications of tracing glyphs?  It's
alluded to on fontforge's web page.
3.  Why not look for a replacement someone else has already done and
ask permission for usage?

-Brian

[Louis Lenders]

Brian Vincent <brian.vincent <at> gmail.com> writes:
> On 4/27/06, Louis. Lenders <xerox_xerox2000 <at> yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi, next week i have quite some (travel)time i have
> >  to kill, so i thought maybe i could use the time to
> > add tahoma font to wine (needed for Steam).  I played
> >  around a bit with fontforge and a basically i think
> >  i get how to create fonts, and add them to wine.
> >  However, i'm not sure what the legal way is to do
> >  this; if i import the windows Tahoma.TTF into
> >  fontforge it seems the .sfd is already generated but
> >  i guess it's not legal to add that to wine. Anyone
> >  could help me with a quick (and clear) HOWTO ?
>
> 1.  What happened to the ROS version of Tahoma?

I didn't know they had one. Could someone ask if it exists (and could be merged)
> 2.  Anyone know the legal ramifications of tracing glyphs?  It's
> alluded to on fontforge's web page.

Good question :)
> 3.  Why not look for a replacement someone else has already done and
> ask permission for usage?

As far as i understand up to now Wine's (eventual) Tahoma font should be more or
less identical to Windows Tahoma font. I don't think anyone has ever taken the
effort to create a font that looks (exactly) the same as Windows Tahoma, because
(outside wine )that doesn't really make sense , does it
> -Brian

[Jan Zerebecki]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:45:16PM +0000, Louis Lenders wrote:
> Brian Vincent <brian.vincent <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > 1.  What happened to the ROS version of Tahoma?
>
> I didn't know they had one. Could someone ask if it exists (and could be merged)

I asked in #reactos on freenode and kjk_hyperion answered my
questions. The only current way is to use the Microsofts core
fonts ( http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ ) that are
redistributable in unmodified form. Reactos had a Tahoma
replacement in the works, called "Greenville" by Wierd Wierd (
wierd_w at yahoo.com
http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/Wierd_W ). (Comments on his
work: "he was doing a really good job too"; "very distinctive
look".) He seems to have stopped working on it, because neither
hinting (the patented thing) nor as a fallback embedded bitmaps
worked correctly / good enough. It seems that there is a freetype
problem remaining with subpixel rendering (see that linked wiki
page for more info). It looks as if he has the font ready, so
perhaps someone should ask him nicely if he releases that font. I
guess fixing that freetype problem would help, thu perhaps not
easy.

Another problem might be that he didn't use fontforge to create
the font, but some comercial, expensive tool. So we wouldn't be
able to "build" the font from source.
> > 2.  Anyone know the legal ramifications of tracing glyphs?  It's
> > alluded to on fontforge's web page.

I guess tracing glyphs should be avoided as it could be seen as
copying. More so because we don't need a replacement font to
looks that similar.



Jan

[Marin Glibic]

Louis. Lenders wrote:
> Hi, next week i have quite some (travel) time i have to kill, so i 
> thought maybe i could use the time to add tahoma font to wine (needed
> for Steam). I played around a bit with fontforge and a basically i 
> think i get how to create fonts, and add them to wine. However, i'm 
> not sure what the legal way is to do this; if i import the windows 
> Tahoma.TTF into fontforge it seems the .sfd is already generated but
> i guess it's not legal to add that to wine. Anyone could help me
> with a quick (and clear) HOWTO?

well, you know what you should probably do?
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
nice, gpl fonts with kazillion international chars. some have similar 
look. find a way to substitute tahoma with dejavu and youre set. 
probably looks much better too.
if not good enough, fork it and make it even more similar :)