Hi everyone, Recordings of previous wine confs have been somewhat disappointing especially the sound part: microphone buggy, people asking question too far from the micro... Some of you are native English speakers, others not and understanding everyone quickly becomes a challenge (and you ends up with a headache). May I suggest you to buy some clip-on microphones ? Handheld ones ones are heavy and people always forget to speak in it. If you wanna invest some bucks, digital recorders are the best option. If needed, I can donate those missing bucks.
On 29 March 2018 at 20:30, M. GOUJON <ale.goujon(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Recordings of previous wine confs have been somewhat disappointing especially the sound part: microphone buggy, people asking question too far from the micro... Some of you are native English speakers, others not and understanding everyone quickly becomes a challenge (and you ends up with a headache).
May I suggest you to buy some clip-on microphones ? Handheld ones ones are heavy and people always forget to speak in it. If you wanna invest some bucks, digital recorders are the best option.
If needed, I can donate those missing bucks.
I happen to agree that the recordings have room for improvement, and would like to see us do better there. Budget is definitely a consideration though, and as much as I would like to promise that this year will be better, I don't think I can. I'm curious though, did you have specific equipment in mind that you'd like to recommend?
On 03/30/2018 05:04 PM, Henri Verbeet wrote:
On 29 March 2018 at 20:30, M. GOUJON <ale.goujon(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Recordings of previous wine confs have been somewhat disappointing especially the sound part: microphone buggy, people asking question too far from the micro... Some of you are native English speakers, others not and understanding everyone quickly becomes a challenge (and you ends up with a headache).
May I suggest you to buy some clip-on microphones ? Handheld ones ones are heavy and people always forget to speak in it. If you wanna invest some bucks, digital recorders are the best option.
If needed, I can donate those missing bucks.
I happen to agree that the recordings have room for improvement, and would like to see us do better there. Budget is definitely a consideration though, and as much as I would like to promise that this year will be better, I don't think I can. I'm curious though, did you have specific equipment in mind that you'd like to recommend? Yes, it's called H4N from Zoom. I know it's a bit expensive but it's an excellent recorder. Just put it on the table in front of the audience, adjust the micro level, start recording in WAVE and forget it. As I said, we can find an arrangement like me buying the recorder and you buying the SD card.
On 03/30/2018 08:46 PM, M. GOUJON wrote:
On 03/30/2018 05:04 PM, Henri Verbeet wrote:
On 29 March 2018 at 20:30, M. GOUJON <ale.goujon(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Recordings of previous wine confs have been somewhat disappointing especially the sound part: microphone buggy, people asking question too far from the micro... Some of you are native English speakers, others not and understanding everyone quickly becomes a challenge (and you ends up with a headache).
May I suggest you to buy some clip-on microphones ? Handheld ones ones are heavy and people always forget to speak in it. If you wanna invest some bucks, digital recorders are the best option.
If needed, I can donate those missing bucks.
I happen to agree that the recordings have room for improvement, and would like to see us do better there. Budget is definitely a consideration though, and as much as I would like to promise that this year will be better, I don't think I can. I'm curious though, did you have specific equipment in mind that you'd like to recommend? Yes, it's called H4N from Zoom. I know it's a bit expensive but it's an excellent recorder. Just put it on the table in front of the audience, adjust the micro level, start recording in WAVE and forget it. As I said, we can find an arrangement like me buying the recorder and you buying the SD card. Forgot to CC'ing wine-devel.
On 03/30/2018 10:54 PM, Stefan Dösinger wrote:
I'm afraid the answer is no. The main requirement for the recording is that it does not interrupt the conference itself. We had clip on microphones and mics to pass around at FOSDEM and on the WineConf 2007 in Zurich, and they always cause problems. Batteries are empty, clips coming off, passing around the microphone slows down conversations, etc. Handy recorders are designed to be put somewhere and record for several hours. If you want to avoid batteries issue, you can still buy the power adaptor. As long as you don't play drum with your fingers on the table the recorder is on, sound quality is quite good. What would be highly welcome is help with editing the videos afterwards. If someone has the patience to create subtitles for everything we'd make life easier for non-native speakers. I'm not used to do that but yeah, I guess I can also contribute this way.
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018, Henri Verbeet wrote: [...]
I happen to agree that the recordings have room for improvement, and would like to see us do better there. Budget is definitely a consideration though, and as much as I would like to promise that this year will be better, I don't think I can. I'm curious though, did you have specific equipment in mind that you'd like to recommend?
On a related note I could bring a 360 degree camera (Xiaomi Mi Sphere) and a tripod. I have just ordered the camera but not received it yet, hence the conditional. We could set it up on the tripod in the middle of the room (if it's a typical U-shaped setup). One advantage of a 360 degree camera is that during Q&A sessions the viewers could see who is asking the question (or who's falling asleep during the presentation ;-) ). Alternatively it's possible to reframe the video as a regular full HD video by picking which direction should be shown at a given time. I have no idea which software supports that though. It's not going to do anything for sound though. (actually I have no idea how 360 cameras handle sound, presumably they are not going to be directional) Stefan sometimes left phones on the speaker table to ensure we hear him well (since the camera is usually quite far). Maybe it would be possible to leave 3 or 4 phones or other recording devices around the room and then pick the device with the best sound during video editing? -- Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr>
Am 29.03.2018 um 20:30 schrieb M. GOUJON <ale.goujon(a)gmail.com>:
Hi everyone,
Recordings of previous wine confs have been somewhat disappointing especially the sound part: microphone buggy, people asking question too far from the micro... Some of you are native English speakers, others not and understanding everyone quickly becomes a challenge (and you ends up with a headache). I agree. I used my camera which was far away from the speaker, and placed one phone near the presenter and one phone at the other end of the room. Then I mixed the sound channels as appropriate and added subtitles especially to questions. I did not subtitle the main presentation because it'd be way too much work. Doing the video editing was always a lot of work, but I hope I created a useful result out of the crappy raw data.
May I suggest you to buy some clip-on microphones ? Handheld ones ones are heavy and people always forget to speak in it. If you wanna invest some bucks, digital recorders are the best option. I'm afraid the answer is no. The main requirement for the recording is that it does not interrupt the conference itself. We had clip on microphones and mics to pass around at FOSDEM and on the WineConf 2007 in Zurich, and they always cause problems. Batteries are empty, clips coming off, passing around the microphone slows down conversations, etc.
What would be highly welcome is help with editing the videos afterwards. If someone has the patience to create subtitles for everything we'd make life easier for non-native speakers.
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018, Stefan Dösinger wrote: [...]
What would be highly welcome is help with editing the videos afterwards. If someone has the patience to create subtitles for everything we'd make life easier for non-native speakers.
What software do you use for the editing? Avidemux? With a pinch of Audacity? What format do you use for the vidéo during editing? -- Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr> http://fgouget.free.fr/ Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain
Am 31.03.2018 um 09:43 schrieb Francois Gouget <fgouget(a)free.fr>:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018, Stefan Dösinger wrote: [...]
What would be highly welcome is help with editing the videos afterwards. If someone has the patience to create subtitles for everything we'd make life easier for non-native speakers.
What software do you use for the editing? Avidemux? With a pinch of Audacity? What format do you use for the vidéo during editing? I used Cinelerra. It is horribly buggy, but it was the only software I could find that was able to work with multiple video (camera, slides) and audio (camera, phones) input streams and allowed me to mix and match between them. I generally kept the video in its original format, and had Cinelerra output motion jpeg with the lowest possible compression ratio and then compressed it into mp4 with VLC. Cinelerra's MP4 output produced ungodly huge files.
In my search for video editing software Avidemux and Audacity did not come up. Avidemux looks rather simplistic, and I'm not sure if Audacity supports video. Adobe Premiere is a commercial solution I know of, but it has a rather steep price tag.
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