January 2002 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: common controls updown patch
by David Elliott Jan. 19, 2002

Jan. 19, 2002

On 2002.01.19 04:37 Shane Shields wrote: > On Saturday 19 January 2002 12:23, you wrote: > > to realize that almost no other programming language does things like > > BASIC. > > you got that right! > > > Might I suggest Python if you are in the process of learning > programming. > > isnt programming a never ending learning experience? > Oh yeah it is. :-) > > Python is an extremely elegant language, interfaces well with C code, > and > > at the moment i am really concentrating on C. most of my C experience is > with > STL which again forces a different mind set. but once i clean my mind of > misconceptions then i can really start doing things ;-) > Don't forget, C++ and C are two different languages no matter how much all the marketing suggests that they aren't. They are close, but not quite the same. Wine is all C code with no C++ code. There have been several times when I wished Alexandre would accept C++ code into the source tree. The Windows API is fairly heavily object oriented with a C interface. Sometimes it would seem to make sense to actually use an OO language to do the OO programming. But in reality C can be easily coaxed into an OO programming style even though it is a functional language. As for Python... well, I'd really suggest taking a look at it. I was of the mindset that C and C++ were so great why bother with anything else. Then earlier last year I took a look at Python and was absolutely amazed. Looking at python code will help you out with the core concepts of programming in any lanuage. That specifically includes C and C++. Python just lends itself to good programming style. Of course any bad progrmamer can still write a bad program in it though. > > has several GUI toolkits. I think the default toolkit is Tk (yuk) but > > what do you think of QT (KDE's gui) > Well, I have mixed feelings about it. I dislike the fact that you must run all of your code through the MOC to compile it. My understanding of this is that it is done so that the event system can pass pointers to the various objects around. I think wxWindows has a by far more elegant event system. For ease of programming along with power I don't think you can beat wxWindows. wxWindows also has a non-STL but still typesafe implementation of lists and arrays! Basically all you have to do is declare that you're going to need a list or array that holds items of "SomeType" and you give it a name such as "SomeTypeList" (can be called anything though). I am thoroughly impressed with the thought that has gone into this toolkit. Plus writing to it means you get Windows, Linux, and Mac (mac support is beta) for free. This was an instant sell for my boss, which made me happy because I really didn't feel like screwing with the beast that is MFC. As for some of the other toolkits. GTK is nice and they did a really good job hacking OO code into C, a non-OO language. Supposedly this helps them because it makes it easier to do language bindings. Maybe when they started, yes. If I were to write GTK today I would do it in C++. GNU C++ has come a long way and GCC 3.0.3 is a very nice compiler. I am using linux-cross-mingw32 GCC 3.0.3 along with wxWindows to write a GUI app for work and it has been going great. The only gripe I have is that GCC takes a very long time to compile what is fairly minimal C++ code. This is on an Athlon 1.4 Ghz machine! I have watched the GCC2.96 from RH compile C code on the same machine faster than I can figure out what the hell its compiling. Took like 10 minutes to build the GCC3.0.3 cross compiler with it after I spent much longer than that fixing the bugs in the GCC3.0.3 source. > > The general form is booleanexpression?then:else > > things like that would never occur to the basic mind (there are two forms > of > basic mind if you think about it) ;-) > Yeah, I tripped over that one many a time. Eventually I started using it frequently because in many cases it makes the code so much more readable. And with C++ it's almost a requirement that you use it sometimes. > > > To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the > > > sayings of source. > > > > hehe.. how true. Do you know the author of that quote? We should put > it > > on the webpage. > > yes i know the author...........and its me! :-) If you want you can put > it on > the web page (cool!) > hehe.. thought so, I just wondered if it was a paraphrase of some other more well known quote. Anyway... this is getting to be offtopic and this message barely has anything to do with Wine, so if you reply and it doesn't have anything at all to do with Wine, please send directly. -Dave

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Re: common controls updown patch
by Shane Shields Jan. 19, 2002

Jan. 19, 2002

On Thursday 17 January 2002 4:13, you wrote: > The remainder of any even number divided by two is 0, the remainder of any > odd number divided by two is 1. > > Knowing this doesn't: > > len+=(len%2); > > make more sense. Leave the comment as is for clarity if you wish. > > -Dave thanks Dave, its also a lot more elegant and will work faster too. i will generate a patch for it to be applied on top of the first one. as my biggest strength is visual basic things like this dont come to me straight away. im still trying to work out what this means (delta < 0 ? 1 : -1) its got me stuck. im currently looking at the wine install script as it doesnt find the windows registry when installing wine with an existing windows installation. Shane To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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Re: _UNICODE vs UNICODE
by Francois Gouget Jan. 19, 2002

Jan. 19, 2002

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Andriy Palamarchuk wrote: > Using macro name "UNICODE" instead of "_UNICODE" is a > typo, right? No, not necessarily. Windows has both and dinput.h, for instance, uses UNICODE, not _UNICODE. But I have no idea why they have two. -- Francois Gouget fgouget(a)free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware

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Re: C testing framewok. Updated. SystemParametersInfo unit test.
by Andriy Palamarchuk Jan. 18, 2002

Jan. 18, 2002

Alexandre Julliard wrote: > You don't need to > set the variable when running make test, but you have the possibility > to set it if you want to override the default for whatever reason. > I don't see why we should impose a less flexible solution that won't > be more robust anyway. Alexandre, by your suggestion I implemented the switch, but left automated platform detection in place. Platform detection will work when the environment variable is not set or set to unknown value. Can you suggest more reliable way to detect if test runs on Wine? One more important change in C framework is support of Unicode in testing. Dimitry, can you look at it? See how it is used in sysparams.c, search for "has_unicode" function call. I'm interested in your comments. Andriy Palamarchuk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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Re: wine-patches@winehq.com
by Alexandre Julliard Jan. 18, 2002

Jan. 18, 2002

Shane Shields <locutusenterprises(a)yahoo.com> writes: > just a little improvement suggested by dave elliot on > the updown.c patch > that i posted before. it doesnt change the > functionality but is more elegant > coding. to be installed on top of the previous patch. I must confess I still don't see the reason for your patch in the first place. Unless I missed something the behavior should be exactly the same before and after your change (I mean the first one, not the cosmetic improvement). What is it supposed to fix? -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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Re: C testing framewok. Updated. SystemParametersInfo unit test.
by Andriy Palamarchuk Jan. 18, 2002

Jan. 18, 2002

Alexandre Julliard wrote: > It's not enough to simply pass converted ASCII strings > to the W functions, > we have to test with real Unicode to check for > lossy W->A->W conversions, surrogate handling, non-spacing chars, etc. Aren't all these requirements just additional to testing with converted ASCII strings? At least we'll have minimal tests of W functions without spending much time. One more advantage in creation TCHAR-portable code - we can eventually test with it multibyte character set support. We still can have specific A and W tests sections, enclosed in #ifdef _UNICODE. Andriy Palamarchuk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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XP registry
by Eric Pouech Jan. 18, 2002

Jan. 18, 2002

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/appendix/h… this may answer the latest question from Andi A+ --------------- Eric Pouech (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eric.pouech/) The future will be better tomorrow, Vice President Dan Quayle ____________________________________________________________ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr Avec Voila Mail, consultez vos e-mails sur votre mobile Wap.

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Wine "Please Report" Error
by Scott Sipe Jan. 18, 2002

Jan. 18, 2002

Hi, I'm running wine20011226 compiled on FreeBSD 4.5 rc recent build, built wine from the ports collection. When I start wine, it says: scott(a)dragon> wine Could not stat /mnt/fd0 (No such file or directory), ignoring drive A: err:reg:_nt_dump_lf unknown node id 0x686c, please report! err:reg:_nt_dump_lf unknown node id 0x686c, please report! err:reg:_nt_dump_lf unknown node id 0x686c, please report! Wine release 20011226 So, what should I report? thanks, Scott

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License problem with files in dlls/icmp/
by Ilja Kamps Jan. 18, 2002

Jan. 18, 2002

It appaers that files under dlls/icmp/ are licensed under the BSD license and not the X11 license, this might be a problem as wine does not honor the advertisment part and also it makes wine GPL incompaitible, I would consider this a serious problem. Either we honor the advertisment part and note that wine is not directly GPL compaitible (GPL doesn't allow such texts) or we reimplement that dll. I hope I got it right.

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RE: What are you really aiming to do with winetest?
by Patrik Stridvall Jan. 17, 2002

Jan. 17, 2002

> Patrik Stridvall <ps(a)leissner.se> writes: > > > So what you basicly want is something like: > > > > my %return_type_exceptions; > > > > $return_type_exceptions{"foo"} = { > > Bar => "str", > > Baz => "ptr" > > }; > > > > $return_type_exceptions{"bar"} = { > > Foo => "str" > > }; > > > Yes, that would work fine for now. OK. I made a script (adapted winapi_extract) to do this (attached). Output attached as well, but you can regenerate it by doing tools/winapi/winapi_extract in the topsrcdir. I realized that when I was at it I could output the argument types as well and thus having a hash table that can be given to wine::declare directly. Here is also a script make_modules that generates modules to use this directly and thus there is no need to any spec2pm any longer. However I'm not postive that we want to have seperate include for constants and functions. Perhaps it would be better if people used to C could just do use winuser; instead of #include "winuser.h" and not have to do any additional use user32; as well. Oh, well, I don't really have any strong feelings in any direction. But it would be easier if you told me how you wanted it. Oh BTW: What is your opinion on having special Perl adapted versions of some functions like: sub GlobalGetAtomNameA { my $atom = shift; my $buffer = "\0" x 256; # FIXME: Fixed buffer length my $length = &kernel32::GlobalGetAtomNameA($atom, \$buffer, length($buffer)); return substr($buffer, 0, $length); } Should we have them as the default imported function in say kernel32.pm or should each test that wants a easier to use version declare it in the test itself.

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