October 2003 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: "Start menu" (continued ...)
by Rolf Kalbermatter Oct. 1, 2003

Oct. 1, 2003

Robert van Herk <robert(a)robertvanherk.nl> >As I understand, right now there are various "standards" on how to write >menus for Linux, that are incompatible. That would mean that writing a >"grand unified ;-)" start menu client as I discussed before is currently >impossible. > >What could be made already though, is a Wine deamon that talks to >shell32.dll internally and input/outputs with pipes to some linux >client, in order to serve the start menu items. This would link the >Windows start menu to Linux, in a tidy way. So the idea is that the >Windows program's output could be piped to some Linux client that >actually creates the menu dynamically, so it stays in continuous >synchronization with your Start menu directory. > <snip> > >Would such a system be appreciated by the you people? Or do you think I >should wait untill a better standarization is available? Or do you think >creating a Windows deamon and a Linux client is too much overkill for >such a feature? > >Also, if this feature would be handy, does anyone have expirience with >the KPanelAppMenu? I can't get the thingy to work yet... Just a thought which may or may not be completely out of proportion: In which sense can Wine and native Desktop be easily synchronized? I see a number of problems such as who should synchronize to whom. Why make an arbitrary Unix desktop synchronize to a Wine start menu? Why not the other way around? Wine builds in all other areas on top of the existing Unix platform. Is it really useful to start to base the native Unix desktop on Wine? Or is this the first step in getting Wine as yet another Unix desktop into the picture? Also the Wine start menu will usually contain mostly Windows or Winelib apps, I suppose. The Unix desktop would have to treat those entries accordingly, makeing proper distinction between them and native unix apps/scripts or whatever which of course shouldn't be a real problem. Maybe this has been discussed already in depth and I missed it? Rolf Kalbermatter

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WWN back issues unavailable
by Ferenc Wagner Oct. 1, 2003

Oct. 1, 2003

Hi, I am not sure whom to tell, that In the bottom of the WWN Back Issues page on WineHQ the "Next 12 Issues" link does not really work. Feri.

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Re: RtlGetVersionNumbers
by Alexandre Julliard Sept. 30, 2003

Sept. 30, 2003

Jon Griffiths <jon_p_griffiths(a)yahoo.com> writes: > i don't know why this function was changed when it was moved, but it > breaks > some versions of msvcrt. This puts it back the way it was. There's no reason not to use the version that the user specified. If you are using XP native dlls and they break with a lower version, then you need to specify the Windows version as XP in your config file. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.com

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Re: Start menu (especially for Alexandre Julliard)
by Dan Kegel Sept. 30, 2003

Sept. 30, 2003

Francois Gouget wrote: > <rant> > The Linux desktop menus are a total mess. FreeDesktop came up with a > broken standard (vfolders) to 'unify' KDE and Gnome (which were already > pretty similar and relatively easy to work with). > > But what we need is a truly standard way to create menus for all desktop > environments on any Linux distribution. Something like the Debian > menuing system, maybe with improved support for internationalization and > other bells and whistles. > </rant> Well, as it happens, Debian appears to be embracing the FreeDesktop.org "Desktop Menu Specification" (http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/menu-spec) at least judging by http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200304/msg00800.html Oh, and who's listed as one of the authors? A certain Francois... IMHO wine should stay far, far away from inventing anything new here, and simply obey the freedesktop.org menu spec (plus, perhaps, a legacy scheme or two until they die off). - Dan -- Dan Kegel http://www.kegel.com http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=78045

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