December 2003 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Easy IE installer script
by Ivan Leo Murray-Smith Dec. 25, 2003

Dec. 25, 2003

>It may be that installing IE under Wine at all is outside the IE license. I've been told by M$ Italy that if I have a windows license for my pc, I can install any M$ windows OS component, such as media player or IE, even if windows is not installed. The important thing is that one must have the license, that's why I think the script should get the files from the windows CD. Ivan.

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Re: Easy IE installer script
by Ivan Leo Murray-Smith Dec. 25, 2003

Dec. 25, 2003

>It may be that installing IE under Wine at all is outside the IE license. I've been told by M$ Italy that if I have a windows license for my pc, I can install any M$ windows OS component, such as media player or IE, even if windows is not installed. The important thing is that one must have the license, that's why I think the script should get the files from the windows CD. Ivan.

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Frustration
by Zimler Attila Dec. 25, 2003

Dec. 25, 2003

Hi, I'm triing to find an error to work on. I was happy that so many people gave me hints on what should be fix. I tried to understand things but, it seems that this is to big thing for me at this moment. Could somebody assign me a little task in a bigger which (s)he is working on? And explain details on that. It seems that I need a "virtual" boss while learning wine hacking. Attila

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Re: Easy IE installer script
by Ivan Leo Murray-Smith Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

> I have an Idea > > What is the version of VC++ you have? > > What if you write and compile let's say, a small app that uses MFC and > IE, using the VC++ tool-chain. Than you are a legal distributer of M$ > software, end of problem. Do you want that I send you a small windows > app that uses MFC and embeds an IE control that displays an embedded > HTML page. This could be the final step in the installation where you > actually test the installation. It can be a nice HTML with links to the > site and other nice links like winehq.org > > About a windows only platforms. They had such an illegal clause in VC6 > but they fixed it fast in SP3 and up. If you have VC6 than the SP5 is > free (I think). I've never heard of a license fee for a SP, so it should be free. This sound at last like a reasnoble solution, even if it could be kept M$ free by using the users windows CD. > > By the way, I'll check it later, but I think that if you use IE in your > application than you are allowed to also distribute the IE setup, > provided that you use the original M$ setup where the user presses on > the Agree to the M$ EULA You would need a redistributable, but it isn't on the M$ download site, so I'm not sure it exists. This is really not an issue, as the user can download it from M$. You could use the example of the NTFS captive driver, just ask the user if he has a windows license, if he answers yes, download the setup from the M$ web site, and if the user doesn't have a license it's his problem. Also M$ can't claim the download is illegal, as they host it. Ivan.

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Useful document on critical sections
by Mike Hearn Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

Hi, I found this article: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/03/12/CriticalSections/ There are two points of interest that we don't seem to cover: * RtlpWaitForCriticalSection will NOT block if the process is shutting down and the wait is on the loader lock. I've seen a fair few times when an app deadlocks on shutdown on the loader lock - could this be the cause? * The loader lock is stored at offset 0xA0 in the PEB. I doubt this is important, but now the info is published murphies law says one day an app will try and get to it directly. thanks -mike

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More exec-shield problems
by Mike Hearn Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

Hi, When /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield is set to 1, the StarCraft installer crashes. (it doesn't matter what the -randomize option is set to). It appears then that exec-shield screws things up in more subtle ways than just stopping us mapping the binary. The details of the crash are that the game allocates some memory using RtlAllocateHeap, uses MultiByteToWideStr to fill it, then calls GetStringTypeW on the memory, which crashes with an access violation. There is a way to link wine such that execshield will be switched off, some linker flag. Does anybody know how to integrate that with the Wine build system? thanks -mike

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Re: Easy IE installer script
by hatky Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

I tried it out, seems ie6 setup fails with current CVS, says something on low mem or lack of space. Mandrake Linux 9.2 with all patches and latest CVS wine, Hatky. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

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newbie wine developer question
by Zimler Attila Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

Hi, Since I'm new in developing wine please forgive me if I ask a question that is answered earlier (I tried to search an answer for my questions, but I did not found.) 1) Should I report fixme's in bugzilla? (I guess, not, but I'm not sure). 2) I would like to fix some fixme (which I can reproduce), but I don't understand a lot of thins. (I'm new to wine, but not new to C). Could somebody help me to start involved in the development process? Attila ZIMLER

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Problems building wine
by iain Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

When building wine using the wineinstall script I'm getting the following errors make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/wine-20031212/dlls/glu32' gcc -shared -Wl,-Bsymbolic,-z,defs glu32.spec.o glu.o glu32.dll.dbg. o -o glu32.dll.so -L../../libs/wine -lwine -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lSM -lICE -lXxf86dga -lXxf86vm -lXrandr -lXrender -lXv -lXext -lX11 -lGL -lGLU - L../../libs/port -lwine_port -lm -lc glu.o: In function `wine_gluNewTess': /usr/local/src/wine-20031212/dlls/glu32/../../include/winbase.h:1949: undefined reference to `HeapAlloc' glu.o: In function `wine_gluDeleteTess': /usr/local/src/wine-20031212/dlls/glu32/../../include/winbase.h:1949: undefined reference to `HeapFree' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status If I disable the opengl stuff, then it gets to the ddraw directory and gives similar errors (but about 1000 more of them). This is with both CVS head from today and with the 2003-12-12 snapshot tarball. Anyone got any ideas? iain

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Re: Easy IE installer script
by Ivan Leo Murray-Smith Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

> MSVCRT40/MFC40 aren't components of windows though, they are > redistributable DLLs that come with apps. They come with apps because the vendors of those apps have a license from M$ to redistribute them. You need such a license before you can redistribute them. > Well, I'm pretty sure that sort of clause would be illegal, they can't > say "such and such can only be run on Windows", as that'd be tying a > product to a monopoly. I'm sure it's illegal, but that's how things are. Anybody (DOJ?) could sue them on that point, are you going to have a go? As I don't think you developed the script with a M$ tool that comes with a license that allows you to distribute M$ dlls for whatever platform, this is irrelevant. > If they start claiming that the MFC DLL can only be used on genuine > Windows, then we have much bigger problems than having to pull a > convenience script - that would make many programs unrunnable on Wine > (but of course they cannot say this, so that's not a problem). No, if an app is developed for windows using M$ tools/sdk/compiler, but a user runs the app on wine, it is perfectly legal. Well, technically some M$ lawyer may say it isn't, but nobody would be liable. > Well this is what Microsoft claim, but the distinction has never really > been spelled out. MSN Messenger comes with Windows too - does that make > it an OS component? I'm not sure. The antitrust case about this is not over, actually Bill testified at it recently, and maybe D.C. and the ten suing states will win. If they do, there may be builds of windows without OE/IE/MSN, but I don't think there will be OE/IE/MSN that can legally run without a windows license. > I have an old copy of MSVC++ lying around here somewhere anyway, so I > guess I do have a license. If I can't find it then buying a new one from > ebay or something is not too hard. Have a look at the license and see what it says. > The easiest solution is to simply use wget to fetch the files from > dll-files.com : a very silly getout clause that probably wouldn't make > much difference in a court of law, but hopefully we will never have to > find out. dll-files is a illegal site, M$ doesn't do anything about it but it stays illegal, so it may be a problem because I think the DMCA says you can't link illegal software (I suppose that's why nobody in the US links to linux dvd players with decks) Ivan.

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Re: Problems with Ultima Online: Age of Shadows [Textbox glitch + out of memory error]
by Flameeyes Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

Flameeyes wrote: > The second is a big problem: when starting the client, it gives an out of > memory error. I can't find where the problem is because I don't know for > sure which trace channel has the functions for memory statistics. This seems to the cause of the problem: 0009:Call kernel32.CreateFileA(4a0f69f0 "C:\\Programmi\\Ultima Online\\\\stadifi0.mul",80000000,00000001,00000000,00000003,10000080,00000000) ret=004ff693 0009:Ret kernel32.CreateFileA() retval=00000158 ret=004ff693 0009:Call kernel32.CreateFileMappingA(00000158,00000000,00000002,00000000,00000000,00000000) ret=004ff712 0009:Ret kernel32.CreateFileMappingA() retval=0000015c ret=004ff712 0009:Call kernel32.MapViewOfFile(0000015c,00000004,00000000,00000000,00000000) ret=004ff78f 0009:Ret kernel32.MapViewOfFile() retval=00000000 ret=004ff78f 0009:Call user32.MessageBoxA(00000000,005bdf70 "There is not enough memory to continue execution. If you do not have virtual me"...,005be05c "Out of memory",00000000) ret=004d949b so the problem should be into MapViewOfFile (kernel/virtual.c), retval=00000000 (NULL) is a failure. Because the return NULL is only in an if, the problem is inherited from NtMapViewOfSection, that is in ntdll/virtual.c. This function seems to be a lot complex, I need to dig it to found the problem. -- Flameeyes <dgp85(a)users.sourceforge.net> You can find LIRC for 2.6 kernels at http://flameeyes.web.ctonet.it/

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wine-20031212 defaults to Thai ui?!
by Dan Kegel Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

This is hilarious... I just built wine-20031212 from source (using tools/wineinstall), and... all the menus are in Thai. Even if I run winefile, or a real copy of notepad.exe. Even if I set LANG=C before running. WTF? - Dan

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Problems with Ultima Online: Age of Shadows [Textbox glitch + out of memory error]
by Flameeyes Dec. 24, 2003

Dec. 24, 2003

Hi all! I was trying to run Ultima Online: Age of Shadows (latest patchlevel after autopatch), but I have some problems. The first problem is actually a glitch, in autopatcher, when the textbox is moved at end, the text is hide, because it moves as first character of the textbox the after-the-last character of the text in it. The second is a big problem: when starting the client, it gives an out of memory error. I can't find where the problem is because I don't know for sure which trace channel has the functions for memory statistics. If someone has an hint for me, I'll investigate better and try to fix it. -- Flameeyes <dgp85(a)users.sourceforge.net> You can find LIRC for 2.6 kernels at http://flameeyes.web.ctonet.it/

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Re: Easy IE installer script
by Ivan Leo Murray-Smith Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

> What about people who redistribute those apps in turn? But they aren't using them in there own app, so they aren't creating a derivate work. Only the vendor (In the case of the script you) needs a license. In any case you can't just take the dlls from an app, you must find one that allows you to distribute them in a derivate product. > I seriously doubt you have to write every piece of your code in a > project using MS tools in order to be able to redistribute a DLL. Even > if the license did say such a preposterous thing, it could certainly be > ignored. certainly not, but you must at least partially write it with a M$ tool that allows you to distribute the dlls, and again I remember reading that you must develop for windows. dll-files stays illegal, I think the best option is to use the users windows cd. Also it will make the install a little bit faster, as it won't have to download anything. Ivan.

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Re: Easy IE installer script
by Ivan Leo Murray-Smith Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

> Why do you say that? Because of how copyright works, if a file isn't yours, you need a written permission to prove that you have the right to use it/redistribute it, or the copyright holder can claim that the use/redistribution of the file is unauthorized. > I'd like to see the legal text that says they are > not redistributable, The microsoft windows (Favourite version of 32-bit windows here) license > as they are intended to be shipped alongside > applications IIRC you need a M$ development tool to obtain a license that allows you to do that. Also, such license only allows use for applications designed for microsoft windows. AFAIK wine is not a windows app. > and can be freely downloaded from the net M$ is free to sue anybody that violates it's copyright, and claiming that other people have violated M$ copyright has never (And will never) save anybody in court. They can choose to sue you and not dll-files. > (ie the situation > is no different to the current one). It is, IE is not an app but a OS component, so there are a lot more restrictions on IE than on anything else. A solution would be to ask the user to insert his windows CD, and just get the files needed for IE installation from there. > Maybe, but they'd have to sue me. Given that there are people running > websites that ship practically every DLL on a windows system, that would > not make much sense. Those websites are online to help windows users, winehq is online to get windows users to unix+wine BTW they already CAN sue you. > They'd also have a hard time arguing that the MSVC > Runtime is not meant to be redistributed when many apps do so. No, it would be very easy for them to prove that all vendors that ship MSVCRT with there apps have a license from microsoft to do so. Ivan.

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Re: Re: winemine2 winelib example
by Dimitrie O. Paun Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

> Doh, I meant bin2res. After making clean I need to > extract them like: > ../../tools/bin2res -o faces.bmp ./rsrc.rc > > Otherwise they aren't available when wrc runs on rc.rc. > Seems odd that wrc can't pull the data out of the src.rc > file itself though. Actually it can, but it's the other resource compilers that can't (MS' rc, and windres). So for compatibility with those, we use the current scheme. -- Dimi.

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Re: Easy IE installer script
by Ivan Leo Murray-Smith Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

>The installer program contains a few things that may or may not be >redistributable - for instance, it contains MSVCRT40.DLL and MFC40.DLL, >both of which are available for free from dll-files.com so it seemed to >make sense to include them. You can't redistribute them, unless you have some sort of special license from m$. There is a simple trick to get round this. You can usually find m$ dlls like mfc, msvcrt and so on in microsoft trial game installers. So, to do this legally, you would have to ask the if he wants to accept the license conditions of the trial game that contains the needed dll, then download the demo from the net (You can even point to download.microsoft.com) extract and install the dll (Installing the game may be necessary if you can't get the dlls out of the installer), and then do whatever else the script does. I suppose it would be a good thing to warn the user that he must have a windows license to use IE4,5 or 6. >Do people think this should be linked to from WineHQ? Not as it is now, M$ could sue for copyright violation, it wouldn't be a nice experience. Ivan.

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Re: Re: winemine2 winelib example
by Dimitrie O. Paun Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

> Should we modify the winelib documentation? The docs > make it sound like its an easy two step process. Yes, we should. We should also modify winemaker to: 1. Generate MinGW compatible Makefiles 2. Use winegcc to achive (1) 3. Drop the configure script altogether. With winegcc there's no need for a configure script anymore, and besides, using autoconf is project policy, not something we should force down people's throats. > Also, is there a way to get wrc to extract all of the > objects in an rc file? What do you mean by this? -- Dimi.

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winemine2 winelib example
by Chris Morgan Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

After reading about the winamp3 source code release I've been interested in working with winelib. I've been trying to get the winemine2 example to work from the winelib documentation http://winehq.com/site/docs/winelib-user/ winelib-getting-started#WINEMAKER-TEST After doing the winemaker and configure step I run make and get: ~/wine/programs/winemine2$ make sed -e 's,@bindir\@,/usr/local/bin,g' -e 's,@winelibdir\@,.,g' ./ wineapploader.in >wineapploader || rm -f wineapploader LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/home/cmorgan/wine/libs:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" /home/cmorgan/wine/ tools/winebuild/winebuild -o winemine2.exe.dbg.c --debug -C. dialog.c main.c gcc -c -I. -I/home/cmorgan/wine/include -g -O2 -fPIC -D_REENTRANT -o winemine2.exe.dbg.o winemine2.exe.dbg.c LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/home/cmorgan/wine/libs:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" /home/cmorgan/wine/ tools/wrc/wrc -I. -I/home/cmorgan/wine/include -o En.res En.rc En.rc:23:22: Error: syntax error make: *** [En.res] Error 1 ~/wine/programs/winemine2$ I'm not sure what the issue is with En.rc, I've compared it against other resource files and it looks quite similar. I edited the Makefile to just use rsrc.rc as winemine2_exe_RC_SRCS and this let me get further and build the standalone app but when I remove the binary resource files like winemine.ico and the *.bmp files these aren't rebuilt. Extracting them manually from rsrc.rc with wrc works however. Are the docs out of date on this? Bug in winemaker? Chris

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Easy IE installer script
by Mike Hearn Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

Hi everyone, I thought I'd let the list know that I wrote an easy IE installer program, for those times when only explorer will do. On a Wine CVS build, no windows install, it installs pretty much perfectly, and it does run (stability is so so :). It'll also put a nice menu entry in your menus if your desktop uses the standard mechanism. The installer program contains a few things that may or may not be redistributable - for instance, it contains MSVCRT40.DLL and MFC40.DLL, both of which are available for free from dll-files.com so it seemed to make sense to include them. It also includes the Tahoma font, which IE installs anyway, but I install it first because current Wine seems to enjoy picking BitStream Vera Mono which doesn't look too good and causes UI layout problems. You can get it from here: http://bylands.dur.ac.uk/~mh/install-ie6.run Just download and run it, like so: sh install-ie6.run It contains a Linux Winelib DSO program (for figuring out your linux windows drive path), so may or may not work on other platforms. Do people think this should be linked to from WineHQ? It's a pretty common question in #winehq. enjoy, thanks -mike

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Re: newbie wine developer question
by Dimitrie O. Paun Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

> 1) Should I report fixme's in bugzilla? (I guess, not, > but I'm not sure). That's correct, please don't. It would polute Bugzilla, and they are much easily accessible via grep :) > 2) I would like to fix some fixme (which I can > reproduce), but I don't understand a lot of thins. The simplest way is to send patches, ask specific questions, resend patches, ... etc. We'll be glad to help. -- Dimi.

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Console problem
by Peter Oberndorfer Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

Hello I'm trying to get the freeware version of IDA (console) working, but if i run it in wine it just hangs. If i run it with winedbg it works fine. I found out that the problem is that AllocConsole is never called for the application if it is being run from wine. But since IDA runs in the console subsystem it should get a console according to MSDN. MSDN says: The CONSOLE subsystem is for a Win32 character-mode application. Console applications are given a console by the operating system. So here is the technical side of the problem: AllocConsole should get called from process_attach() ->dlls/kernel/kernel_main.c:180 So the external variable main_create_flags tells us if we need a console. This variable is set from process_init() ->dlls/kernel/process.c:634 This function itself performs the server call init_process() which returns 0 in create_flags from server/process.c:356 So the problem is that there is no startup_info -> server call returns 0 -> no console for the first process. Setting process->create_flags = CREATE_NEW_CONSOLE from init_process() call fixes the problem BUT with this winedbg starts up in a small ugly windows console that is not resizeable :-/ Anyone knows how to fix this? Greetings Peter

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Re: wine bugs in win.c
by Uwe Bonnes Dec. 23, 2003

Dec. 23, 2003

>>>>> "kscho" == kscho <kscho(a)tibetsystem.com> writes: kscho> Hi~ I'm interested in wine. and find some bug... window's kscho> caption is optional, but current is not. kscho> wine/windows/win.c kscho> line 1087 /* Correct the window style - stage 2 */ Your contribution is appreciated. But better read http://www.winehq.com/site/sending_patches It make's the patch easier to integrate. Bye -- Uwe Bonnes bon(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------

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Re: ilink32
by Flameeyes Dec. 22, 2003

Dec. 22, 2003

Adrian Smarzewski wrote: > I would like to run Borland Ilink32 under Wine. > where can I find _working_ patch for version 20031118? Please anyone knows? Seems like ilin32 checks for reservation of some memory areas, to be sure to be run on a Windows system. Also, these areas changes with the version of windows provided to ilink32. If anyone can help me to find where reservations are wrote, I'll try to find them out and add them. -- Flameeyes <dgp85(a)users.sourceforge.net> You can find LIRC for 2.6 kernels at http://flameeyes.web.ctonet.it/

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FIXMEs in Alsa WaveIn
by Sylvain Petreolle Dec. 22, 2003

Dec. 22, 2003

Hello, Could you explain the meaning of the FIXME("-\n") you put in ALSA_WaveInit when you added WaveIn support ? I would be happy to solve it but I didnt find a comment in your code nor in your patch. ===== Sylvain Petreolle (spetreolle_at_users_dot_sourceforge_dot_net) ICQ #170597259 Say NO to software patents Dites NON aux brevets logiciels "What if tomorrow the War could be over ?" Morpheus, in "Reloaded". _________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com

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