April 2003 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Re: Wine Packaging Guide update
by Mike Hearn April 12, 2003

April 12, 2003

> NOTE: I am (was?) a strong believer in markup. I started this > work because I thought the document doesn't belong in the > Docu section, and needed updating, without being aware of > the potential problems with SGML. By the time I was done, > I was completely horrified by this SGML business. It has > it's advantages, but they come at a hefty price, so we > have to be very careful when we employ it. It works OK > for documents that don't require a lot of markup, like the > FAQ. In fact, in that case it _saves_ on formating markup. > It works nicely for documents that are essentially books > (such as the User Guide, etc.) where you can expect someone > to print out the nicely formatted .pdf/.ps. However, for > technical documents that need to be maintained often, and > are useful as a online resource that people are likely to > open in an editor, it blows chunks. Now I start to understand > Alexandre's preference for troff for man pages... Hehe, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks DocBook is overrated - I've been wrestling with it for the past few weeks as part of writing a shared packaging metadata spec, and an automatic documentation framework for bash libraries, and I have NEVER got it to work correctly. I've found that clean HTML with some small CSS can make a document that looks more professional (imo) and is far easier to read in a text editor, not least because emacs (and i assume vim) can apply the formatting in the tags to the text itself. I've never looked at troff, but free software seems to need a better documentation/markup system - DocBook SGML just seems far, far too complex for doing something that is essentially quite simple.

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Re: PATCH: Winemaker's --wrap option
by Jeremy Newman April 12, 2003

April 12, 2003

Please stop resending this message to the list. I have gotten more than 20 copies of this message now. On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 14:59, Javier López wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Juraj Hercek" <juraj(a)syncad.com> > To: <wine-patches(a)winehq.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 4:35 AM > Subject: PATCH: Winemaker's --wrap option > > > > Changelog: > > > > Juraj Hercek <juraj(a)syncad.com> > > * tools/winemaker : > > Fixed generation of makefiles and wrapper files when "--wrap" option > > is used. > > > > <snip> -- Jeremy Newman <jnewman(a)codeweavers.com> CodeWeavers, Inc.

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Re: wine/dlls make_dlls Makefile.in Makedll.rules.in
by Vincent Béron April 12, 2003

April 12, 2003

Alexandre Julliard a écrit: > ChangeSet ID: 7854 > CVSROOT: /opt/cvs-commit > Module name: wine > Changes by: julliard(a)wine.codeweavers.com 2003/04/11 19:05:28 > > Modified files: > dlls : make_dlls Makefile.in Makedll.rules.in > > Log message: > Fixed rules for auto documentation (reported by Vincent Béron). > > Patch: http://cvs.winehq.com/patch.py?id=7854 > > Old revision New revision Changes Path > 1.23 1.24 +19 -0 wine/dlls/make_dlls > 1.172 1.173 +19 -0 wine/dlls/Makefile.in > 1.52 1.53 +4 -13 wine/dlls/Makedll.rules.in Not good. Won't work correctly for dlls containing subdirs with a Makefile (msacm, etc.). In those cases, only the first level directory will be processed, not the subdirs. Vincent

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Provide USB support in wine ?
by Sylvain Petreolle April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

"Accidentally", when updating my RH system, I discovered that libusb is a library that provides user access to the USB devices, regardless of the OS. It appears we could use it in wine, since : - its license compatible (LGPL) - it supports some OSes on which wine is built. Like : Linux FreeBSD NetBSD, OpenBSD (dont know if this works now, referring to http://www.winehq.com/?page=faq#Under_what_hardware_platforms_and_Wine) Darwin (never heard of it for Wine ??) MacOS X (recent Qemu work makes this possible) Could such a support be possible/doable ? ===== Sylvain Petreolle (spetreolle at users dot sourceforge dot net) ICQ #170597259 No more War ! "What if tomorrow the War could be over ?" Morpheus, in "Reloaded". For the Law of Oil and Fire, Im an European that lives in France. For all my Brothers and friends, Im a human living on Earth. ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com

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ttydrv on a remote console
by Uwe Bonnes April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

Hallo, I am trying to run a complex command line (XST from Xilinx) program with X disabled, like on a remote terminal. With "GraphicsDriver" = "ttydrv" and called like "~/tmp/wine/compile/wine/wine -- /tmp/webpack-5.2/bin/nt/xst -quiet -ifn __projnav/dacswitch.xst -ofn dacswitch.syr" it soon crashes. I tracked it down to a failing WM_NCCREATE mesage in TTYDRV_CreateWindow. Returning unconditional TRUE in TTYDRV_CreateWindow makes the program run. With x11drv, called on the command line like above, wndPtr->parent is not set and the clause { create_desktop( display, wndPtr, cs ); WIN_ReleasePtr( wndPtr ); return TRUE; } is taken. Any ideas? Running with wineconsole and wcmd resulted in a scrambled screen and a crash too. Thanks -- Uwe Bonnes bon(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------

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Contrib page update
by Dimitrie O. Paun April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

They'll be added to the Fun Projects on the next update to that page. ChangeLog Move some of the tasks to the Fun Projects where they belong. Index: templates/en/contributing.template =================================================================== RCS file: /home/wine/lostwages/templates/en/contributing.template,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 contributing.template --- templates/en/contributing.template 30 Mar 2003 15:59:45 -0000 1.5 +++ templates/en/contributing.template 11 Apr 2003 15:40:07 -0000 @@ -33,9 +33,7 @@ <ol> <li><a href="#devel_task">Some development task</a> </li><li><a href="#conf_tests">Conformance tests</a> - </li><li><a href="#cross">Cross referencing the windows executables and libraries</a> </li><li><a href="#doc_win_api">Documentation of the windows API functions</a> - </li><li><a href="#check_which">Check which APIs are missing for a given program</a> </li><li><a href="#port_app">Port your windows application to wine</a> </li><li><a href="#code_review">Perform a focused code review</a> @@ -284,24 +282,6 @@ </li></ul> - <a name="cross"></a> - <h3>Cross referencing the Windows executables and libraries</h3> - - <p>The idea is to write a Perl script that analyzes the Windows dlls and executables of a - regular Windows installation and cross references them. This would generate Web pages - telling you which API is used by which program/library and reciprocally. - Analyzing the import/export section of PE executables is quite simple: it's just a matter - of running dumpbin (part of Visual C++) or pedump (open source) on them and then parsing - the resulting text file. This already being done with the wpbtk toolkit. - To view winapi_check output see <a href="http://fgouget.free.fr/wine/winapi_stats-en.shtml">Quick API statistics</a>. - To help with this please contact <a href="mailto:fgouget(a)free.fr">Francois Gouget</a> - </p> - Required skills: - <ul> - <li>Perl - </li><li>General HTML - </li></ul> - <a name="doc_win_api"></a> <h3>Documentation of the Windows API functions</h3> @@ -320,28 +300,6 @@ <ul> <li>Knowledge of some documentation generation system for the person trying to enhance the documentation generation. </li><li>A bit of C to document the APIs themselves. - </li></ul> - - <a name="check_which"></a> - <h3>Check which APIs are missing for a given program</h3> - - <p>The scripts that scan a Windows environment could be modified to restrict the scan to the dependencies - of a given executable/set of executables. Then these results can be cross-referenced with the results - of the above script to tell you which APIs this program is missing, what percentage they represent, etc. - Reciprocally one can weight each API according to how often they are referenced in a given environment to - produce an approximation of the likely hood that such an API will actually be called. Note that this would - just be an approximation because we would miss all the dynamically loaded APIs and libraries - (since we only scan the statically linked dynamic libraries). This would be an even more approximate - measure of the likely hood that the program will work: even though a program references an API it may never call it, - work even though this API does not work, or really depend on this API or even some undocumented aspect of this API. - Still this may provide a better approximation of the completeness of Wine than just treating all APIs as equivalent. - </p> - Required skills: - <ul> - <li>Perl - - </li><li>General HTML to present the results - </li><li>Maybe querying a database will be necessary too </li></ul> <a name="port_app"></a> -- Dimi.

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Re: Contributing: Check which APIs are missing for a given program
by Pouech Eric DMI AEI CAEN April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

> Would it be helpful if pedump were supported so you don't need dumpbin from Visual C++ to be able to use the scripts? winedump (in the tools directory) has some of the features of pedump A+

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WineHQ: updated Fun Projects
by Dimitrie O. Paun April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

ChangeLog Remove the links from the title sections (visited links were invisible due to the color scheme). Small cleanups. Move the cross referencing tasks from the Contributing page. Index: templates/en/fun_projects.template =================================================================== RCS file: /home/wine/lostwages/templates/en/fun_projects.template,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 fun_projects.template --- templates/en/fun_projects.template 30 Mar 2003 16:23:41 -0000 1.3 +++ templates/en/fun_projects.template 11 Apr 2003 17:27:03 -0000 @@ -57,7 +57,6 @@ which would be <em>uber</em>cool. <h4 class=inprogress>Cygwin under Wine in Linux</h4> - This provides an a good test case for Wine. It is tough, but we do have the Cygwin source code, and we have a good chance to understand why it does not work. @@ -67,7 +66,6 @@ <li>status: runs <tt>bash -l -i</tt> and logs out <li>updated: Dec 4, 2002 </ul> - <h4 class=inprogress>Wine under Cygwin in Windows</h4> This will provide a good test case for Cygwin, but will help Wine's @@ -88,20 +86,18 @@ need to have a MinGW port on Windows (that is, they need to support building under MinGW). - <h4 class=todo><a name="jvm" href="http://java.sun.com">Java Virtual Machine</a></h4> + <a name="jvm"></a><h4 class=todo>Java Virtual Machine</h4> There are three noteworthy Java implementations: <dl> <dt><a href="http://java.sun.com/j2se/">Sun's JVM</a></dt> <dd>Unfortunately, the Windows port requires MSVC to build. How ironic.</dd> - <dt><a href="http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java">IBM's JVM</a></dt> <dd>I can't seem to be able to find the sources for this one. Help!</dd> <dt><a href="http://www.kaffe.org">Kaffe</a></dt> <dd>This one seems to have ports to Cygwin and MinGW. Good candidate for a port.</dd> </dl> - <h4 class=todo><a name="perl" href="http://www.perl.com">Perl</a></h4> - + <a name="perl"></a><h4 class=todo>Perl</h4> Any Perl monger up for this? <ul> <li>worker: wanted @@ -112,10 +108,9 @@ <strong>Update:</strong> The ActivePerl branch support building under both Cygwin and MinGW. This is a very good test for <tt>winegcc</tt>. Unfortunately, the MinGW makefile uses backslashes as fileseparator, so it will take a bit of work to get working under Linux. - Why do people use backslash, when the forward slash works on both Windows and Linux? Eh... - - <h4 class=todo><a name="python" href="http://www.python.org">Python</a></h4> + Why do people use backslash, when the forward slash works on both Windows and Linux? + <a name="python"></a><h4 class=todo>Python</h4> Not very exciting, but still interesting port. It's a good test for the non graphic APIs, such as threading, files, etc. <ul> @@ -126,7 +121,6 @@ </ul> <strong>Update:</strong> Configure the packages like so: <pre> - CC=winegcc CXX=wineg++ configure --with-suffix --without-threads </pre> Unfortunately, configure gets confused about the executable extension, @@ -141,8 +135,7 @@ to create portable UI toolkits. Due to the large UI component of the Win32 API, these are a perfect test for Wine. - <h4 class=todo><a name="qt" href="http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/windows.html">QT</a></h4> - + <a name="qt"></a><h4 class=todo>QT</h4> Imagine we compile QT under Wine, and then we get the entire <a href="http://www.kde.org">KDE</a> compiled and running under Wine! How cool would that be? <ul> @@ -150,7 +143,6 @@ <li>status: initial investigation <li>updated: Jan 6, 2003 <li>homepage: <a href="http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/windows.html">www.trolltech.com/products/qt/windows.html</a> - </ul> <strong>Update:</strong> Unfortunately, QT/Windows is not free software. Moreover, it requires MSVC or the Borland toolchain to build. Before we can start thinking about @@ -159,7 +151,7 @@ <a href="http://www.troll.no">Troll's</a> part to support such an effort. If you think you can make a case for it, please let us now. - <h4 class=todo><a name="gtk" href="http://www.gtk.org">Gtk+</a></h4> + <a name="gtk"></a><h4 class=todo>Gtk+</h4> This is maybe a little less interesting than the others, as Gtk+ does not use the native widgets when ported to Windows. Instead, it uses it's very thin abstraction layer (gdk) to do the drawing, all else is build 'in house'. @@ -168,17 +160,15 @@ <li>status: todo <li>updated: Jan 6, 2003 <li>homepage: <a href="http://wingtk.sourceforge.net/">wingtk.sourceforge.net</a> - </ul> - <h4 class=done><a name="wxwindows" href="http://www.wxwindows.org">wxWindows</a></h4> + <a name="wxwindows"></a><h4 class=done>wxWindows</h4> A perfect test case for Wine's headers, and MinGW emulation! Wouldn't it be cool to have the Windows controls available on Linux too? <duck/> :-) <ul> <li>worker: <a href="mailto:dpaun(a)rogers.com">Dimitrie O. Paun</a> - <li>status: compiles, links, and runs! + <li class=modified>status: compiles, links, and runs! The <a href="http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2003/01/0153.html">patch</a> - has been accepted in the official wxWindows tree! <li>updated: Jan 7, 2003 <li>homepage: <a href="http://www.wxwindows.org">www.wxwindows.org</a> @@ -215,7 +205,6 @@ free version available, but apparently you can buy one for around $100US. <ul> <li>worker: <a href="mailto:ps(a)leissner.se">Patrik Stridvall</a> - <li>status: most tests work, DLLs are pretty bad though <li>updated: Nov 29, 2002 </ul> @@ -228,7 +217,6 @@ <li>status: todo <li>updated: Jan 6, 2003 <li>homepage: <a href="http://www.borland.com/bcppbuilder/freecompiler/">www.borland.com/bcppbuilder/freecompiler</a> - </ul> <h3 class=todo>Watcom's cc</h3> @@ -252,12 +240,49 @@ <h2>Miscellaneous Projects</h2> This is a catch-all category for all sort of strange (and sometimes cute) ideas. + <a name="cross"></a><h3 class=inprogress>Cross referencing the Windows executables and libraries</h3> + <p>The idea is to write a Perl script that analyzes the Windows dlls and executables of a + regular Windows installation and cross references them. This would generate Web pages + telling you which API is used by which program/library and reciprocally. + Analyzing the import/export section of PE executables is quite simple: it's just a matter + of running dumpbin (part of Visual C++) or pedump (open source) on them and then parsing + the resulting text file. This already being done with the wpbtk toolkit. + <ul> + <li>worker: <a href="mailto:compsol(a)ptd.net">Dave Miller</a> + <li>status: Prototype ready + <li>updated: Apr 11, 2003 + </ul> + <strong>Update:</strong> + Currently the script can make HTML maps of the dll imports. I've been too + lazy to integrate the program that processed that into a table so + far. :) Right now it requires dumpbin (Visual C++) I plan to add pedump + or winedump support so more people are able to use it. It is also + analyzing the wine .spec files to determine if each API has an entry and + reports whether it's a stub, unimplemented (not in spec files), etc. + + + <a name="check_which"></a><h3 class=inprogress>Check which APIs are missing for a given program</h3> + <p>The scripts that scan a Windows environment could be modified to restrict the scan to the dependencies + of a given executable/set of executables. Then these results can be cross-referenced with the results + of the above script to tell you which APIs this program is missing, what percentage they represent, etc. + Reciprocally one can weight each API according to how often they are referenced in a given environment to + produce an approximation of the likely hood that such an API will actually be called. Note that this would + just be an approximation because we would miss all the dynamically loaded APIs and libraries + (since we only scan the statically linked dynamic libraries). This would be an even more approximate + measure of the likely hood that the program will work: even though a program references an API it may never call it, + work even though this API does not work, or really depend on this API or even some undocumented aspect of this API. + Still this may provide a better approximation of the completeness of Wine than just treating all APIs as equivalent. + <ul> + <li>worker: <a href="mailto:compsol(a)ptd.net">Dave Miller</a> + <li>status: Starting work <a href="http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2003/04/0324.html">soon</a>. + <li>updated: Apr 11, 2003 + </ul> + <h3 class=inprogress>GDI Engine</h3> Integrate the GDI engine contributed by the <a href="http://www.transgaming.com">Transgaming</a> folks. <ul> <li>worker: <a href="mailto:johane(a)lysator.liu.se">Johan Gill</a> - <li>status: <i>It should be ready for submission in a few months from now.</i> <li>updated: Feb 22, 2003 </ul> @@ -270,7 +295,6 @@ <a href="http://bugs.winehq.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1304">Bug #1304</a>. <h3 class=todo>Wine Explorer</h3> - <p>A Windows Explorer replacement. People migrating from Windows would love it, and it would provide a great testbed for our <tt>shell32</tt> DLL, as well as some key controls such as the List-View Common Control. @@ -287,7 +311,6 @@ <li> A "Cancel" button (that changes to "Close" when tests are done) <li> A "Report..." button that brings up a "Save As..." dialog </ul> - Not hard to write, and quite cool to play with. Anyone familiar with the Win32 API can do it. -- Dimi.

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winebuild incompatibility with binutils-2.13.90.0.20
by Piotr Pawłow April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

Hi, There is a change in "nm -u" output format in the new binutils, now it outputs "U " before every symbol name. It looks like this: $ nm -u d3d8.dll.tmp.o U cos U CreateDCA U DeleteDC U ExtEscape U GetClientRect U GetDC U GetDesktopWindow U GetDeviceCaps U GetModuleHandleA U GetProcAddress U GetPropA (...) Winebuild parser is not prepared for that. It does not find proper symbol names, creates spec.c files with no imports, and the result is that linking fails on unresolved symbols, as reported in "--with-nptl and glibc-2.3.2" thread. A quick fix: Index: tools/winebuild/import.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/wine/wine/tools/winebuild/import.c,v retrieving revision 1.48 diff -r1.48 import.c 664a665,667 > if (*p == 'U') { > if (p[1] == ' ') p+=2; > } Shouldn't winebuild, however, use libbfd where available, instead of relying on nm output? -- Piotr Pawłow mailto:pp(a)siedziba.pl

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Re: CxxFrameHandler problem
by John K. Hohm April 11, 2003

April 11, 2003

Alexandre Julliard <julliard(a)winehq.com> wrote: > Uwe Bonnes <bon(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> writes: > > > Appended program uses CxxFrameHandler and crashes in wine with builtin > > msvcrt, but not with native. Compile as Release version and include the > MFC > > dll. Can somebody compile for Alexandre? Alexandre, is this a start or do > > you need something complete? > > That's a start, yes, thanks. I'll need a more complete example with > nested try blocks, destructors all over the place, typed exceptions, > etc. to make sure I understand all the compiler internal structures; > but I can at least try to make that simple case not crash... Although this may duplicate effort, I am familiar with several strange combinations of exception handling that I know work with Visual C++ 6.0; I will put them a test program for you. You can never have too many test programs, right?

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