March 2007 - Wine-Devel - list.winehq.org

Winebot
by Vit Hrachovy March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

Hi all, first thanks for a lot of comments. I interpret this as a creative discussion helping to shape WINE project attitude to Winebot and Winebot project itself. I'll let Karl Lattimer to state his attitude with his Wine-Doors project. In the following words, I'm going to discuss my personal point of view, as I'm representing Winebot project. I'll first summarize some points extracted from the previous discussion: -------------------------------------------------- 1. My goal in writing Winebot is to help Wine succeed 2. I pledge to use only the bare minimum of native DLLs in any Winebot recipe 3. I pledge to remove native DLLs from Winebot recipes as soon as Wine fixes the bugs that keep Wine's DLLs from being sufficient for that app 4. I will report bugs to the Wine project in the course of working on Winebot 5. Installation of "basic compatibility programs" sounds like it would clash with "only use the bare minimum of native DLLs / hacks in any Winebot recipe". Winebot shouldn't install anything that the application does not need. 6. I will help Wine by writing not just Winebot recipes, but also basic application regression test scripts 7. If developers working on projects such as Wine-Doors contributed to Wine, then the bugs would be fixed even faster. 8. If you are making it extremely easy for users to run with native dlls and hacky workarounds, then you are hurting Wine. Wine is still beta, and we need as much testing and bug reporting as possible. In short, you leech off the hard work of all the Wine developers and give nothing back in return (quite the opposite in fact). -------------------------------------------------- Analyzing the objections written in discussion, I've found that you are missing the following: a) Clear statement, which will specify Winebot project's goals and attitude to its parent project - WINE. Sort of manifest. b) Results - working and actively supported regression testing scripts suite. c) Forwarding bugs and list of 'unclean' fixes to bugs.winehq.org. As I'm Debian and Ubuntu user I actively borrow knowledge from the Debian project. Each Winebot package shall have a maintainer responsible for package quality and for interfacing with WINE project(AppDb, Bugzilla, Testing, Fixing). Every official Winebot maintainer will be bound by sort of Winebot manifest stating the Winebot project's attitude to WINE project. I'll write the manifest (a),(c) and post it onto Winebot Wiki. To create (b) I gladly accept any input to create a regression test repository, would You be so kind and point me to some list of programs / test miniprograms to make a reference implementation? -------------------------------------------------- 1. My goal _is_ to help Wine succeed. Hours I'm investing in Winebot are hours I'm spending on learning Wine. Recent discussion about missing reg.exe implementation originated from work on Winebot. I'm application maintainer on AppDb. I'm testing application compatibility on WINE versions back to 0.9.9. I've written Winebot especially to make the testing easier. I often install and uninstall Windows programs from WINE bottles, I'm used to bottles (WINEPREFIX) system, too. Having the installation of programs (and their dependencies) scripted is the first step for making automated testing. 2., 3., 4. All Winebot packages should install only minimum neccessary dependencies and their install scripts should be ideally only using normal application Windows installer. Any hacks above will be reported (in case they weren't reported already) to WINE bugzilla. 5. That's a relict from winetools project. 'bottle initialization' will be removed soon as unnecessary. Working package dependencies allow to reconstruct every step of setup and every 'hack' in used packages. 6. Yes, I'm planning to set up a regression tests repository for WINE (and for Winebot too). As Winebot is using AutoHotKey system for installer automation, it can also run programs, check window properties and contents, click on specified button or areas, etc. For more information, see http://www.autohotkey.com 7. Actually I consider my Winebot work is a work for WINE project and WINE users. If I find some error in WINE, I report. Same when I need new functionality. If I'm capable, I'm trying to discuss, implement and send a patch for WINE. Actually Winebot could help more WINE developers with testing, with testing environment setup and with duplicating bug cases, IMHO. 8. User simply wants his application to work. Package maintainer, who prepares the package, should interface with WINE developers whenever he spots a glitch. Package maintainer goes with new WINE versions and prepares a package for each WINE version. Package maintainer is therefore dedicated regular WINE tester and bug reporter. Package maintainer also filters user feedback to create a useful bug report, probably with a patch proposal in ideal situation. Best regards Vit Hrachovy

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re: Road to 1.0
by Dan Kegel March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

Rob wrote: > I think the only viable way to drive for 1.0 is feature or applications > targets, with applications compatibility driving test cases and bug fixing. Yes indeedy. And the only reason I haven't jumped up and posted a proposed list of applications to support for 1.0 is that real app testing is gobs of work, more than we have resources for. The tests at http://cxtest.org could be an important part of the equation. FWIW, a couple of us have been puttering away on a scheme to make writing application regression testers easier. No promises, though. - Dan

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Is anyone using "wrc --verify-translation"?
by Mikołaj Zalewski March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

For my translations statistics (http://pf128.krakow.sdi.tpnet.pl/wine-transl/) I use a patched wrc that has a different output for "wrc --verify-translation". Could I send this patch to wine-patches or is there someone other using "wrc --verify-translation" and would be upset if the format changes (in such a case I could try to keep both formats lauched by different options)? I'm asking because I've contacted Jeremy Newman about integrating the statistics with WineHQ and having the patch in the official tree would probably simplify the maintenance. Mikolaj Zalewski

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Re: Add d3drmdef.h header file - try 4
by Dmitry Timoshkov March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

"Vijay Kiran Kamuju" <infyquest(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Fix the D3DRMAPI definitions (Dimitry's Comments) > Fix the inclusion of d3dtypes.h (Francois' Comments) Where other comments has gone, into a black hole? > Changelog > ---------------- > Add d3drmdef.h header file, required for d3drm implementation This version is absolutely broken and unusable. -- Dmitry.

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WinRAR installer icon creation, and the Start Menu folder
by Tom Spear March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

Yet another topic about the start menu, I know. This one is just a curiosity really. Why, if we create folders like Desktop and My Documents, under the fake windows directory, do we not create a Start Menu folder? I ask because WinRAR's installer looks for the Start Menu folder in various locations, but does not create it. If it doesn't find it, then it falls back to placing the WinRAR folder that should go under Start Menu\Programs into the Program Files\WinRAR folder, same for the WinRAR icon that should go under the main Start Menu folder. This causes the icons to not get created under the xorg menu, even during wineboot. -- Thanks Tom Check out this new 3D Instant Messenger called IMVU. It's the best I have seen yet! http://imvu.com/catalog/web_invitation.php?userId=1547373&from=power-email

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Re: wined3d: Implement support for projective textures in ps 2.0 and later
by H. Verbeet March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

On 23/03/07, Fabian Bieler <der.fabe(a)gmx.net> wrote: > +#define D3DSI_TEXLD_PROJECTED 0x00010000 This should be called WINED3DSI_TEXLD_PROJECTED, and should be added to wined3d_private_types.h, together with the other WINED3DSI defines. Also, please add a comment that texldp always divides by the fourth component.

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Re: [netapi32/tests] Use LoadLibrary where needed and skip
by Kai Blin March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

On Friday 23 March 2007 11:38, Paul Vriens wrote: > access.c currently has fixed tests for 'Administrator'. This will > obviously fail on systems with a different locale or system where > Administrator has been renamed. (Added a FIXME). I'll be looking into that shortly. Thanks for the other fixes. Cheers, Kai -- Kai Blin, <kai Dot blin At gmail Dot com> WorldForge developer http://www.worldforge.org/ Wine developer http://wiki.winehq.org/KaiBlin/ -- Will code for cotton.

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Review of wine/crossover
by Dan Kegel March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

Another "jouralist tries linux" article. This one's pretty good. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&art… Her first complaint is that NoteTab Pro doesn't start when installed with Crossover. The app is $30 at http://www.notetab.com/ and sadly the free demo doesn't show the problem. The exact page where she complains about NoteTab Pro is page 3, http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&art… - Dan

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Re: [1/7] - [6/7] wined3d: Implement linear fog with pixel shader and some other patches
by Mirek March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

Perfect work!! nVidia VertexMorph demo is fixed and some other games too. Mirek

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Re: Allow enabling/disabling Direct3D usage of GLSL in Winecfg
by H. Verbeet March 23, 2007

March 23, 2007

On 22/03/07, Vit Hrachovy <vit.hrachovy(a)sandbox.cz> wrote: > Hi, > according to thread 'WineCfg and DirectX options' at wine-devel, I'm > proposing a patch for winecfg to allow enabling/disabling usage of GLSL > for Direct3D applications rendering. Patch will add a checkbox into > Graphics -> Direct 3D section of Winecfg. > IMO this doesn't belong in winecfg. Nevertheless, if you want to do this, you should change the resources for languages other than English as well.

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Supreme Commander Up and running!
by Stephan Rose March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

I've got SC up and running, had to apply that font patch (that moving into the source anytime soon btw? It does work nicely). So looking at my debug output at stuff that's got errors or fixme's, I came across this little line: fixme:file:ReplaceFileW Figure, that'd be as good as a start as any as something for me to implement. Easy to test too....just before I dive into it, anyone potentially already working on it (or is there a good way to check)? Figured I'd ask first before 2 people work on the same thing. Stephan

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Improving DirectDraw OpenGL renderer for SoC?
by Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

Greetings, i am thinking about participating in the Summer of Code, and thought it would be interesting to improve DirectDraw such that Command & Conquer Tiberian Sun & Red Alert 2 run faster. Currently, they crash once the mouse is moved in-game when OpenGL rendering is enabled. Thus the project would involve fixing that bug, and then other performance issues/crashes that occur. However, I don't really have much experience with C and Wine. The closest I have gotten is some patches for Wine's WordPad implementation. Would it be feasible to acquire the necessary knowledge and fix the bugs before the end of summer? Regards, Alexander N. Sørnes

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SoC idea: add BITS support
by Dan Kegel March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

Several applications require BITS (Background Intelligent Transfer Service). Adding an implementation of BITS would be quite useful. http://www.darvin.de/english/ is an interactive front end for BITS. The other apps I know of that require it are Visual C# Express 2005 and Google Pack, but there are probably more. - Dan

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SoC idea: Get Java working well enough to run Tomcat, installers, etc.
by Dan Kegel March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

There are a lot of little bits in Wine that are missing before Java can run smoothly. (Yes, Virginia, we need win32 JVMs to run in Wine, for many reasons: some installers require them, some apps bundle them, and some people just plain want to run the win32 version of some apps because that's what they're used to.) For instance, this bug says that we need to implement a little bit of IPv6 support to get Tomcat running: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7069 And http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6380 says we have some bug in msvcrt that keeps some versions of Java from running. This would be very useful indeed, because of the installers that require Java. - Dan

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DIB engine and cairo
by Alessandro Pignotti March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

Hi everyone, i'm not a dib engine nor a cairo expert, so i don't know if this is totally crazy. Anyway, could it be possible to use cairo as a backend for our dib engine? cairo support drawing on image buffers, that should be device indipendent and rendered client side. Regards, Alessandro Pignotti -- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -Dr. Faustus - Marlowe Public GPG Key ID 0x650B3ED9 on subkeys.gpg.net Key Fingerprint 6243 AAD3 E3EC 52D8 DFAA 2A2F 9FCD 0457 650B 3ED9 Encrypted mails are welcome

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SoC: improving Star Wars Empire at War support
by Bryan DeGrendel March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

I have been thinking about a few different ideas for WINE/SoC. One of the official possible ideas is to improve a non-working application. My proposal would be to improve WINE's support for Star Wars: Empire at War (which currently has a garbage rating on both WINE [ http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=4616 ] and Cedega [ http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3795 ]). The proposal's goal would be to provide a Windows-native level of support for Empire at War, or at least improve Empire at War support to a playable level. I would like a some feedback, if possible, before submitting. 1. Is this a weaker, or less useful to WINE, proposal because it would lead to likely result in more bug hunting than feature writing? This is quite a bit more open ended than working on a specific WINE feature (such as Rich Text Editing). 2. I do not know how much work will be needed to get the game working well. Currently, it crashes while loading due to an audio bug, but it is possible that I might only need to fix a few bugs to get the game to a playable state (though I think this is unlikely, the game is seems very picky on Windows). Would this be a problem? Bryan DeGrendel

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Re: [5/7] wined3d: Fix glsl texbem instruction for projective textures
by H. Verbeet March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

On 22/03/07, Fabian Bieler <der.fabe(a)gmx.net> wrote: > + shader_addline(arg->buffer, "T%u%s /= T%u%s;\n", sampler_idx, coord_mask, sampler_idx, coord_div_mask); > Are you sure that's correct? This will modify the coordinates for later instructions as well.

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Build script for older RPM distros
by Lei Zhang March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

Hi, It looks like we have not been doing a good job of maintaining Wine RPMs for older RH (derived) systems. On the Wine download page (http://www.winehq.org/site/download) the text link for RH/Fedora is a 404, and the icon links to an out of date page: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-rh. Does anyone want to do the builds for these systems? I wrote a script to automate building RPMs for RH 9 / RHEL 3 / CentOS 4. The script checks against the git web interface for the latest version of Wine, and it will download and build Wine if it finds a new release. One just need to have a working copy of the target OS and put the script in a cron job. http://linux.ucla.edu/~leiz/software/wine/wine_rpmbuild.sh.txt - Lei

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netapi32 tests not linked with netapi32.dll
by Paul Vriens March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

Hi, Could anyone think of a reason that the netapi32 tests are not linked with netapi32.dll although this is specified in the Makefile? I just had a look with PE Explorer at the crosstest executable and it didn't contain the netapi32.dll. The ds-test now skips all these tests on both Wine and Windows as I've changed that test to use GetModuleHandle instead of LoadLibrary (and this obviously failed). This also means it's not only the crosscompiling that fails to link. Cheers, Paul.

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automatically running wineprefixcreate
by Tom Spear March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

I was looking into my issues with menubuilder and trying to figure out ways to make the setup automatic so that everything would go where it should (since I know how to manually make wine put things in the proper place), and I noticed that no matter how wine is invoked (wine, winecfg, wineboot, winemine, notepad etc), if there is no ~/.wine it runs wineprefixcreate _first_ in order to create it. Currently in order to fix my issues, I have to re-run wineprefixcreate after running winecfg to make sure the directories and files are put in the place I have my fake c located. Would it be possible to make winecfg run wineprefixcreate one more time after the ok and apply buttons are pressed so that users dont have to manually run it when they use winecfg? -- Thanks Tom Check out this new 3D Instant Messenger called IMVU. It's the best I have seen yet! http://imvu.com/catalog/web_invitation.php?userId=1547373&from=power-email

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Problem with program
by unknown＠example.com March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

Using wine "memoriesontv" it does not show the images and the generation of video interrupts

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Re: SoC idea: add BITS support
by Juan Lang March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

> Anyway, I don't know what shape our iphlpapi is in, but I think it > should be possible to at least get the basic features working in the > context of a SoC project. Okay, I'll bite. I looked at the BITS docs too, and it uses GetBestInterface to pick an interface, and some interface stats to determine how busy an interface is. Our iphlpapi should be up to the task (but maybe that's just a parent's pride ;) ) --Juan ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail

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Sugestion: A few changes to the
by Giles Cameron March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

After learning about the wine debuging output's level system, and seeing it be used for a while, I think its time we make a couple of new channels. They would be like the 'trace' channel, only for more spefic purposes, these could by default be compiled out, but when needed put in. Their primary purpos would be for tracking down bugs in the API, ones that may not be as easy to find in a test case. Any thoughts? Also, if more channels is not the way to go, maybe per-function filtering? Thanks for the time, Giles Cameron

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Re: dplayx: corrected the way nameserver initializes the sessiondesc structure on broadcast request reply
by Kai Blin March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

On Thursday 22 March 2007 17:20, Alessandro Pignotti wrote: > Whitout this patch the directplay nameserver does not fully copy the > Session Description structure when replying to session request broadcast Good catch. Kai -- Kai Blin, <kai Dot blin At gmail Dot com> WorldForge developer http://www.worldforge.org/ Wine developer http://wiki.winehq.org/KaiBlin/ -- Will code for cotton.

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Re: [netapi32/tests] Use GetModuleHandle and skip
by Paul Vriens March 22, 2007

March 22, 2007

Paul Vriens wrote: > Hi, > > netapi32 is already linked to. > > Changelog > Use GetModuleHandle and skip > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>From 6595fe64b93f2a81b4f6cbf77df58b2ef67c29ae Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Paul Vriens <Paul.Vriens.Wine(a)gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:00:08 +0100 > Subject: [PATCH] Use GetModuleHandle and skip > > --- > dlls/netapi32/tests/ds.c | 7 ++----- > 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/dlls/netapi32/tests/ds.c b/dlls/netapi32/tests/ds.c > index 7d0413d..7ee8a73 100644 > --- a/dlls/netapi32/tests/ds.c > +++ b/dlls/netapi32/tests/ds.c > @@ -78,15 +78,12 @@ START_TEST(ds) > { > HMODULE hnetapi32; > > - hnetapi32 = LoadLibraryA("netapi32.dll"); > - if (!hnetapi32) > - return; > + hnetapi32 = GetModuleHandleA("netapi32.dll"); > > - SetLastError(0xdeadbeef); > pDsRoleGetPrimaryDomainInformation=(void*)GetProcAddress(hnetapi32,"DsRoleGetPrimaryDomainInformation"); > if (!pDsRoleGetPrimaryDomainInformation) > { > - trace("DsRoleGetPrimaryDomainInformation not implemented : (%d), stop testing\n", GetLastError()); > + skip("DsRoleGetPrimaryDomainInformation is not available\n"); > return; > } > pDsRoleFreeMemory=(void*)GetProcAddress(hnetapi32,"DsRoleFreeMemory"); Hi, this patch is already committed but something is wrong. For some reason GetModuleHandleA doesn't return a handle. Does anyone know why? The Makefile.in contains: IMPORTS = netapi32 advapi32 kernel32 Cheers, Paul.

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