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[Fwd: Re: wineconf archives]
by Michael Cardenas March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: wineconf archives Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:43:05 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Steding <rsteding(a)lpbn.org> To: Michael Cardenas <michael.cardenas(a)lindows.com> References: <3C977D16.7050804(a)lindows.com> <1016569471.3c979e7ff2f11(a)www.lpbn.org> <3C979F90.4080005(a)lindows.com> Yes. It is ok. I think if high quality equipment were available the DVcassettes could be remixed and made comprehensible. I may have access to such equipment at a studio that I know. Quoting Michael Cardenas : > again, can I post this to the wine-devel list also? maybe we can get > some help with the transcription. > > I'm attaching a working summary of the conference, that will be posted > > to winehq.com, with the presentation files. > > Here are the speakers and the topics: > > WINE Past, Present and Future [Alexandre Julliard]* > The wine debugger [Ulrich Weigland]* > How To Make Fonts Look Great In Wine [ Huw Davies]* > Package streamlining of WINE [Marcus Meissner]* > DirectX [Ove Kaaven/ Gavriel State]* > IActiveScript, or how jscript.dll was reimplemented using the Mozilla > JScript engine, lots of glue, and a little bit of luck". [James > Hatheway]* > Beyond Trial And Error, Alternative Ways To Insure Quality Code [Patrick > Stridvall] > A Howto For Regression Testing [Francois Gouget] > Wine/Windows bootup handling and documentation/end user representation > [Andreas Mohr] > > Business Talks > ----------------- > Macadamian - Making It As A Software House [Frederic Boulanger]* > An Unique Commercial Application for WINE [Cadlink Technology/David > Hawkes]* > Wine Licensing [Transgaming/Gavriel State]* > ReactOS - Where it's at, where it's going [ReactOS/Jason Filby] > Corel, A Look Back [Xandros/Jeff Tranter] > Lindows.com And WINE [Michael Robertson] > > > > > > Raymond Steding wrote: > > >Hello Again: > > > >I forgot to ask,(once you get to a computer that will play the files) > if you can > >send me the name/names, titles, companies, and subjects of the speakers > in the > >videos. I'll make a nice snapshot of the speaker and put the thumbnail > up beside > >the link. > > > >Note that the speakers with heavy accents are difficult to understand > and the > >speakers with no accents are easily understood. The accented speakers > also > >tended to speak softly. > > > >The room was the most difficult room for recording sound that I've ever > been in. > >The ceiling of the room has 2" hollow squares across it's surface. The > squares > >effectively break up all sound waves and create an almost impossible > recording > >environment. > > > >Had LPBN had 3 additional microphones the recordings would have been > better but > >unfortunately we haven't had the funding yet for additional > microphones. > > > >Some of the guests also mentioned that they were not able to hear the > other > >guests during discussion. Even with additional microphones the > discussions would > >have likely been sub standard. The existing sound recordings will have > to be > >amplified and equalized for the guest discussions. > > > >Alexander Juliard is even difficult to understand in the short LPBN > interview > >that is up. He was standing directly in front of the microphone at the > time. > >I'll try to transcribe his presentation, which is currently not up, to > subtitles > >once the final videos are created. If I'm not able to do the > transcription his > >presentation will not be made available. Each of the presenters has a > series of > >slides that actually work quite well with text. Would be nice to have a > link the > >each speakers slide presentation. > > > >Raymond Steding > >Network Systems Engineer > >Linux Public Broadcasting Network > >http://www.lpbn.org/ > >Los Angeles, CA > >818 782-1464 > >310 994-3779

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[Fwd: Re: wineconf archives]
by Michael Cardenas March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: wineconf archives Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Steding <rsteding(a)lpbn.org> To: Michael Cardenas <michael.cardenas(a)lindows.com> References: <3C977D16.7050804(a)lindows.com> First I've heard of this. I've viewed them from computers at 8 different locations. Ports 8080 tcp and 554 tcp have to be open to the Internet. I'll also open additional ports for older versions of the player to see if that helps. I'm installing 2 Darwin servers today and will eventually have the DVcassettes available in quicktime format. I don't have a camera to put the digital video tapes onto the computer at this time so the only video that is up is what was streamed from the conference. Hope to have a DVcassette player soon. Raymond Quoting Michael Cardenas : > Hello, I cannot see the archives, and I've tried it on mozilla, galeon, > > and internet explorer in windows and in lindowsOS. > > Is there something wrong with archive one? > > Is there any way you can put the archives up in a different format? > > thanks > > Michael Cardenas > Lead Wine Engineer > Lindows.com > > > Raymond Steding Network Systems Engineer Linux Public Broadcasting Network http://www.lpbn.org/ Los Angeles, CA 818 782-1464 310 994-3779

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wineconf summary
by michael cardenas March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

Here's my wineconf summary. It's not much of a summary, since it's so damn long. I wanted to record as much as possible for the developers that weren't there because I think a lot of ideas and direction was generated and should be shared among the community. I put in <> brackets in areas where I need correction, and I am going to correct some of those myself. Andi, I'd like to put this on winehq somewhere with the presentation files hyperlinked from the same page. Once I get all the presentations, I'll provide you with them. Once it's ready, maybe we can submit it to slashdot for everybody who couldn't be there. I really want to thank all of you for your participation. I not only learned a lot, I also had a really great time meeting and getting to know all of you. And I think that next time, Andi should buy the beer.

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Re: Bugzilla, was Re: wineconf summary
by Jeremy Newman March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 09:19, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On March 19, 2002 08:49 am, Andriy Palamarchuk wrote: > > We already have such list. It is called "wine-user" > I'm not sold on the benefit of a bugs list either. We aren't that many > people, there's no point into slicing the traffic too much at this point. Actually, on winehq.com there still is a wine-bugs mailing list. What I can do is setup the Bugzilla database to send emails to that list when new bugs are added etc. We have been using a bugs(a)codeweavers.com email account to monitor this already. All I would need to do is forward those emails to that list. Also, the list could be setup like wine-patches, where replies to bugs go to wine-users but not back to the wine-bugs list. In essence the wine-bugs list would be browse only. Thoughts? -- __ _WebGeek/NetAdmin CodeWeavers -= http://www.codeweavers.com | \| |_____ __ ___ __ __ _ _ _ -= http://www.dracowulf.com | .` / -_) | | / ' \/ _` | ' \ -= mailto:jnewman(a)codeweavers.com |_|\_\___|\_/\_/|_|_|_\__,_|_||_| -= ICQ: 1842980 Yahoo: laxdragon

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Joel on WINE
by Roland March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

Joel says something about WINE on: http://www.softwaremarketsolution.com/ Citation: Joel: But due to chicken-and-egg problems, running Windows apps is probably nonnegotiable for most people, so WINE is going to have to get a lot better before Linux is a threat to the desktop. I sort of expected with all the effort Corel put into it, it should be there by now, but they seem to be as far as ever from seamlessly running Win apps. (By the way, a lot of people think that the Windows API is too much of a moving target for WINE to catch up. As a Windows developer, let me say, this is rubbish. Almost every Windows app out there is tested on Win 95 to make sure it runs decently on the entire 32 bit Windows product line. If WINE could ever catch up to Win 95, they would be almost completely done. The target hasn't moved anywhere since August, 1995.) Linux is a great server OS, and with some UI work, it would be even better. (Yes, people still pay extra for NT on their servers because the GUI admin tools are much easier than

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Fwd: Re: Road to 0.9
by Michael Cardenas March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

Yeah, I wanted to ask Alexandre at the conference how regression testing is a requirement. We need some specific numbers here. How many tests does he expect us to have? 10? 100? James Hatheway wrote: >>>* Regression Testing - Francois, Andridy, Patrick, >>>Dimi, Andi, Steven >>> >>Hmm, Regression Tests development will never finish. >>Can you define any specific goal for the regression >>tests you want to accomplish for 0.9? >> > >I believe the goal from Alexandre was that he just wanted >the frameworks stabilized, with documentation and some sample >tests. (I know there is a framework in place, it was demonstrated >at the conference, but I'm not sure if the API was frozen or not) > > >-James >

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Re: Road to 0.9
by Ulrich Czekalla March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 12:57, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: > On March 19, 2002 12:48 pm, Andreas Mohr wrote: > > > > > The point is not to freeze the protocol completely, it will clearly > > > continue to evolve even after 1.0. The idea is that once the protocol > > > is declared frozen all future changes are done in a way that preserves > > > backwards compatibility. And the mechanisms to do that are mostly in > > > place now, which is what I mean by saying it is finished. > > > > OK, so in other words the wineserver *is* more or less "independent from > > such changes". > > How can that be? What we want is that DLLs compiled with 1.x, work (at the > binary level) with any 1.y server, where x <= y, right? > As long as you don't change the protocol used you can make as many changes as you like to the wineserver. It shouldn't affect dll compatibility. > -- > Dimi. > >

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Re: Road to 0.9
by Michael Cardenas March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

I think this will really bring us a long way to having a stable wine. Does anyone besides lawson have a pet application that they use all the time? Any volunteers? James Hatheway wrote: >>C. Testing apps? I have no real idea what you mean. >> > >Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear, I just typed in >word for word my brief shorthand notes :) > >Basically, the idea that we had was the concept of getting users >to volunteer to "own" an app, ie. responsible for yelling when >we break an app. This already sort of happens, but never >in a formal way. We never decided the details, but I envisiage >having one person volunteering to each test their favourite app on every >release and filing bugs. (in a way that is helpful, we'll have docs for that) > > >-James >

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Re: wineconf summary
by Michael Cardenas March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

I tried it and it doesn't work on any platform. I'll let lpbn know now. Sylvain Petreolle wrote: >I know, but it's not a normal situation ... >everyone should be able to see the entire data, >particularily those that don't have Internet Explorer >... >Think you don't have kde ? (like pure RedHat users) > > >>>why does the site lpbn.org does not show the >>> >>summary >> >>>of the conference when we use netscape or mozilla >>> >>? >> >>Works with Konqueror... >> >>LLaP >>bero >> > > >___________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! >Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com > >

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[Fwd: Re: Bugzilla, was Re: wineconf summary]
by Michael Cardenas March 19, 2002

March 19, 2002

Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: >On March 19, 2002 08:49 am, Andriy Palamarchuk wrote: > >>>dimitry suggested posting the top 10 or >>>20 bugs to wine-devel every other week, and I >>>suggested putting the in WWN. >>> >>I'm not sure about usefullness of this one. What we >>need are people, responsible for Wine subsystems. >> > >No, this is from another perspective. And that is, getting more people into >Wine devel, like the Abiword folks do. Problem is that right now the barrier >to entry is enormous: the project is huge, and there is no clear list of >_small_ tasks (which require little knowledge of the project). Going through >Bugzilla is not an option -- few people do that. If we extract a list of >10-20 bugs, and post them on WWN, a _lot_ more people will see them, click on >it, etc. It's just a way of getting people into the game, that's all. > I think it's also important to keep the developers focused. If we just work on whatever comes up, or whatever users ask for at any given moment, we won't focus on getting to 0.9 and it won't happen. I think that ideally we should move to a release schedule like KDE does where they work towards releases at specified dates. There needs to be a time where we all try to do clean up and focus on doing grunt work to solidify releases.

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