Re: New Canadian keyboard layout
"Jean-Michel Dault" <jmdault(a)revolutionlinux.com> wrote:
I'm doing a pilot project for the Quebec government, and we have one major problem: they have a keyboard layout that's unsupported by Wine, though it was commited to XFree about 3 years ago.
What do you mean by "unsupported by Wine", is that just a warning that you see? What exactly doesn't work without this patch? -- Dmitry.
Le sam 04/12/2004 à 07:20, Dmitry Timoshkov a écrit :
"Jean-Michel Dault" <jmdault(a)revolutionlinux.com> wrote:
I'm doing a pilot project for the Quebec government, and we have one major problem: they have a keyboard layout that's unsupported by Wine, though it was commited to XFree about 3 years ago. What do you mean by "unsupported by Wine", is that just a warning that you see? What exactly doesn't work without this patch?
The keyboard that the Government of Quebec uses is the CAN/CSA Z243.200-92, and is *not defined* in Wine. This keyboard is a *legal requirement* for all computers used at the Quebec government and the Bilingual areas of the Canadian Government. Problem: When X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout tries to detect the layout, it goes through every layout it knows, analyses and scores them. Unfortunately, the highest score returned is for the Brazilian ABNT-2 keyboard, and the score is only 42%, so it's *way* different. What happens is that none of the accents work, and that's very bad for people who have to write in french! To reproduce, assuming you have a standard US keyboard, do a "setxkbmap ca", and try the "?/" key in any iso-8859-1 aware X application (ie: OpenOffice). You should see an eacute "é" sign. Then try with Wine, there is no key. Same thing with the "}]", it should return ccedilla "ç" sign. Works in X, doesn't work in Wine. I added the proper keyboard layout, and, apart from the fact that this keyboard uses up to 5 symbols per key and wine only supports 4, I get a 85% score, and every key works, every accent, every deadkey. If you need more information on this keyboard, look into the XFree86 sources: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/ca Or for a picture of this keyboard: http://www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/images/ti/clavier.gif Regards, Jean-Michel Dault jmdault(a)mandrakesoft.com
Please use this new patch instead. There were a few mismatches in my previous patch, I tweaked it a bit, and now I get a perfect score of 127. trace:keyboard:X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout Attempting to match against "Canadian CAN/CSA-Z243.200-92 keyboard layout" trace:keyboard:X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout matches=48, mismatches=0, seq=47, score=127 Le sam 04/12/2004 à 11:15, Jean-Michel Dault a écrit :
Le sam 04/12/2004 à 07:20, Dmitry Timoshkov a écrit :
"Jean-Michel Dault" <jmdault(a)revolutionlinux.com> wrote:
I'm doing a pilot project for the Quebec government, and we have one major problem: they have a keyboard layout that's unsupported by Wine, though it was commited to XFree about 3 years ago. What do you mean by "unsupported by Wine", is that just a warning that you see? What exactly doesn't work without this patch?
The keyboard that the Government of Quebec uses is the CAN/CSA Z243.200-92, and is *not defined* in Wine.
This keyboard is a *legal requirement* for all computers used at the Quebec government and the Bilingual areas of the Canadian Government.
Problem: When X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout tries to detect the layout, it goes through every layout it knows, analyses and scores them. Unfortunately, the highest score returned is for the Brazilian ABNT-2 keyboard, and the score is only 42%, so it's *way* different.
What happens is that none of the accents work, and that's very bad for people who have to write in french!
To reproduce, assuming you have a standard US keyboard, do a "setxkbmap ca", and try the "?/" key in any iso-8859-1 aware X application (ie: OpenOffice). You should see an eacute "é" sign. Then try with Wine, there is no key. Same thing with the "}]", it should return ccedilla "ç" sign. Works in X, doesn't work in Wine.
I added the proper keyboard layout, and, apart from the fact that this keyboard uses up to 5 symbols per key and wine only supports 4, I get a 85% score, and every key works, every accent, every deadkey.
If you need more information on this keyboard, look into the XFree86 sources: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/ca Or for a picture of this keyboard: http://www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/images/ti/clavier.gif
Regards,
Jean-Michel Dault jmdault(a)mandrakesoft.com -- Jean-Michel Dault <jmdault(a)mandrakesoft.com>
Le sam 04/12/2004 à 11:15, Jean-Michel Dault a écrit :
Le sam 04/12/2004 à 07:20, Dmitry Timoshkov a écrit :
"Jean-Michel Dault" <jmdault(a)revolutionlinux.com> wrote:
I'm doing a pilot project for the Quebec government, and we have one major problem: they have a keyboard layout that's unsupported by Wine, though it was commited to XFree about 3 years ago. What do you mean by "unsupported by Wine", is that just a warning that you see? What exactly doesn't work without this patch?
The keyboard that the Government of Quebec uses is the CAN/CSA Z243.200-92, and is *not defined* in Wine.
If it is the one I think it is (AKA as Canadian multi-lingual, with the "è" in place of the deadkey "`"), nobody I know except the government uses it. There's a reason: it's not a good layout to use on a regular basis.
This keyboard is a *legal requirement* for all computers used at the Quebec government and the Bilingual areas of the Canadian Government.
Problem: When X11DRV_KEYBOARD_DetectLayout tries to detect the layout, it goes through every layout it knows, analyses and scores them. Unfortunately, the highest score returned is for the Brazilian ABNT-2 keyboard, and the score is only 42%, so it's *way* different.
What happens is that none of the accents work, and that's very bad for people who have to write in french!
To reproduce, assuming you have a standard US keyboard, do a "setxkbmap ca", and try the "?/" key in any iso-8859-1 aware X application (ie: OpenOffice). You should see an eacute "é" sign. Then try with Wine, there is no key. Same thing with the "}]", it should return ccedilla "ç" sign. Works in X, doesn't work in Wine.
Use ca_enhanced, as everybody else. There's a reason the name has "enhanced" in it :) (Yes, I know it doesn't help you for your project)
I added the proper keyboard layout, and, apart from the fact that this keyboard uses up to 5 symbols per key and wine only supports 4, I get a 85% score, and every key works, every accent, every deadkey.
Which one has 5 symbols? I can only count 4 (in your patch getting a score of 127).
If you need more information on this keyboard, look into the XFree86 sources: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/ca Or for a picture of this keyboard: http://www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/images/ti/clavier.gif
Vincent
Le sam 04/12/2004 à 12:59, Vincent Béron a écrit :
The keyboard that the Government of Quebec uses is the CAN/CSA Z243.200-92, and is *not defined* in Wine. If it is the one I think it is (AKA as Canadian multi-lingual, with the "è" in place of the deadkey "`"), nobody I know except the government uses it. There's a reason: it's not a good layout to use on a regular basis.
It looks a bit like the old Canadian multi-lingual, but it's not quite the same. Not a lot of people use it because these new keyboards are not produced in the same quantities, so they're more expensive ($99 vs $29). However, as for the usage on a regular basis, latest studies show 71% of corporate users prefer to have a layout with dedicated éèà keys. See http://www.autoroute.gouv.qc.ca/publica/clavier/faq.htm
Use ca_enhanced, as everybody else. There's a reason the name has "enhanced" in it :)
There was the old "ca", after that there was the "cf", then the "ca_enhanced", which is not based on "ca" at all, but on the "cf". Then, they came up with the CAN/CSA Z243.200-92, which has been included in XFree86 under the name "ca". Add to that the new revision with the Euro sign. At one point in time, there were 16 slightly different keyboards used at the Government! (Yes, I know it doesn't help you for your project) Just try to explain to the government that if they want to use Wine, that they have to buy over 80,000 keyboards, and that's not even counting Federal and Municipal governments. And that would be impossible since there is a law that says govt agencies have to use the CAN/CSA keyboard, and Approvisionnements Québec only carries them. Besides, it's only a patch, someone already did the dirty work of making the XFree86 symbol file, plus the console layout for iso-8859-1, plus the utf-8 console layout, plus the Wine layout ;-)
I added the proper keyboard layout, and, apart from the fact that this keyboard uses up to 5 symbols per key and wine only supports 4, I get a 85% score, and every key works, every accent, every deadkey. Which one has 5 symbols? I can only count 4 (in your patch getting a score of 127).
The CAN/CSA Z243.200-92 has up to 5 symbols per key. See the link below for the graphic. However, the Wine keyboard definition only supports 4 symbols maximum. The only important thing is that the keys are mapped to the right place.
If you need more information on this keyboard, look into the XFree86 sources: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/xkbcomp/symbols/ca Or for a picture of this keyboard: http://www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/images/ti/clavier.gif
Jean-Michel Dault CTO, Revolution Linux inc.
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