Re: Fall back to ttydrv

[Dimitrie O. Paun]

On April 14, 2003 06:11 pm, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> +       MESSAGE( "Falling back to ttydrv\n");

Again, I'd say this message is not appropriate, especially now
that the user has to enable this configurations. For people
using command line tools under Wine will be just pure spam.

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Fall back to ttydrv

[Uwe Bonnes]

> > > > > "Dimitrie" == Dimitrie O Paun <dpaun(a)rogers.com> writes:

Dimitrie> On April 14, 2003 06:11 pm, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
    >> + MESSAGE( "Falling back to ttydrv\n");

    Dimitrie> Again, I'd say this message is not appropriate, especially now
    Dimitrie> that the user has to enable this configurations. For people
    Dimitrie> using command line tools under Wine will be just pure spam.

Should the message have higher or lower annoyance levels?

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Fall back to ttydrv

[Andreas Mohr]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 11:25:44AM +0200, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> > > > > > "Dimitrie" == Dimitrie O Paun <dpaun(a)rogers.com> writes:
>
> Dimitrie> On April 14, 2003 06:11 pm, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
>     >> + MESSAGE( "Falling back to ttydrv\n");
>
> Dimitrie> Again, I'd say this message is not appropriate, especially now
>     Dimitrie> that the user has to enable this configurations. For people
>     Dimitrie> using command line tools under Wine will be just pure spam.
>
> Should the message have higher or lower annoyance levels?
> He probably wants it to disappear.
> I think we need that, however, since it is non-intuitive behaviour to
> completely silently fall back to ttydrv-only output when DISPLAY is not set.
> (just think of how many people were completely puzzled due to wineinstall
> failing and leaving GraphicsDriver set to ttydrv in the config file
> at some time!)
> Anyway, in its current form the message is probably not very useful,
> since it doesn't explain what really happened.
> Note also that by providing the fallback, you are silencing the usual
> Error: Can't open display: 
> message (which incidentally is not very useful either ;)
> which people could search for on the Internet to find the reason why
> Wine doesn't work at all.
> Instead, we'd silently fall back to text (not giving any message to assist
> people), thus worsening the situation: from a non-working wine and a
> badly understandable but at least searchable error to an almost non-working
> wine (ttydrv) and no error at all to get a clue from.

Thus I'd have a message and change it to something like
Warning: environment variable DISPLAY [which is ]needed for X11 graphics output
not set, thus falling back to [ttydrv] text-only output
[, no graphics displayed].

Parts in [] are optional but maybe useful.

Or maybe a much better form would be
Warning: environment variable DISPLAY not set: no X11 graphics output possible,
[I ]need to fall back to text-only output [via ttydrv].

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Fall back to ttydrv

[Sylvain Petreolle]

And we must have an option in .wine/config to disable this permanently
for users that dont use X11.
> Thus I'd have a message and change it to something like
> Warning: environment variable DISPLAY [which is ]needed for X11
> graphics output
> not set, thus falling back to [ttydrv] text-only output
> [, no graphics displayed].
>
> Parts in [] are optional but maybe useful.
>
> Or maybe a much better form would be
> Warning: environment variable DISPLAY not set: no X11 graphics output
> possible,
> [I ]need to fall back to text-only output [via ttydrv].

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Fall back to ttydrv

[Andreas Mohr]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 12:56:40PM +0200, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> And we must have an option in .wine/config to disable this permanently
> for users that dont use X11.
> For users that don't use X11, the wine config file would contain ttydrv
> by default, so the fallback message wouldn't get printed.
> Let's just assume people who use Wine for text-only output know what they're
> doing... ;)

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Fall back to ttydrv

[Dimitrie O. Paun]

On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> Should the message have higher or lower annoyance levels?

If the user configured Wine like so, why output a message at all?

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Fall back to ttydrv

[Andreas Mohr]

Hi,

On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 08:27:07AM -0400, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> > Should the message have higher or lower annoyance levels?
>
> If the user configured Wine like so, why output a message at all?
> That's true. In fact I'm afraid that I wasn't aware of the config key.
> If you have to explicitly configure this behaviour, then omitting a message
> is not such a terrible idea...
> Sorry ;-)

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