IBM, Notes, Wine and (necessary) version numbers for wine
Hi there,
One of the better ways to show the potential to IBM would be to find one of their apps that *does* work under WINE and get it demoed to their management. Although it sounds like some of them are already (internally) using Notes under Linux?
Let me use your message to speak about a "feature" of the wine developement model that's starting to "annoy" me: using "date-version" instead of a proper version number for the snapshot. I know I'm in no position to get annoyed by anything, since Iìve contributed no code or useful hints so far :-), but I'd really like to see this change. We all know Wine is evolving rather fast, and every 'n' months a major subsystem gets rewritten to be able to implement it the "right" way, windows speaking, or because the old implementation was only partially complete. That's not a problem, since this way wine becomes better and bettter. Where the problem is, however, is that I can't know when these changes, that usually bring forth major breakages in some/many applications, are done. I've been following wine-devel and wine-cvs and, back in June (IIRC) when the windows handling code was changed, I wasn't too surprised when Lotus Notes stopped working (and it's still broken in many ways, window repainting for example). Too bad SuSE people didn't follow the lists, and going from version 7.2 to version 7.3 of their distro, they "upgraded" their wine rpm package from 20010326 to 20010731. With the new version, notes doesn't start at all... I ask: isn't it about time to use version numbers, like in the linux kernel? I now you are working toward "1.0" release, but I guess some 0.6.x (stable) 0.7.x (unstable), 0.8.x (stable again) coudn't hurt, and this kind of versioning give hints to people on where to go and what to download if they want something stable or if they want the "newest". I think it's important to let wine users understand if the package they are about to install is a stable, well tested version, or an extremely new, developemental and untested version. In my opinion, some snapshot (like the April 2001 one) are definitely beta quality, so I think it's useful to let people know this, especially at a time like this when the Lindows people are saying "we fixed wine, going from alfa to release!"... I'd really like to know from which snapshot they started... Ciao, Roberto P.S. I hope to be more useful in future, since I'm starting my own business that will be based rather heavily on Linux, and this way I hope I'll be able to search and destroy the most annoying bugs I find.. :-)
On 2002.01.12 09:20 rob(a)mediasolution.it wrote:
Hi there,
One of the better ways to show the potential to IBM would be to find one of their apps that *does* work under WINE and get it demoed to their management. Although it sounds like some of them are already (internally) using Notes under Linux?
Let me use your message to speak about a "feature" of the wine developement model that's starting to "annoy" me: using "date-version" instead of a proper version number for the snapshot. I know I'm in no position to get annoyed by anything, since Iìve contributed no code or useful hints so far :-), but I'd really like to see this change.
We all know Wine is evolving rather fast, and every 'n' months a major subsystem gets rewritten to be able to implement it the "right" way, windows speaking, or because the old implementation was only partially complete. That's not a problem, since this way wine becomes better and bettter.
Where the problem is, however, is that I can't know when these changes, that usually bring forth major breakages in some/many applications, are done. I've been following wine-devel and wine-cvs and, back in June (IIRC) when the windows handling code was changed, I wasn't too surprised when Lotus Notes stopped working (and it's still broken in many ways, window repainting for example).
Too bad SuSE people didn't follow the lists, and going from version 7.2 to version 7.3 of their distro, they "upgraded" their wine rpm package from 20010326 to 20010731. With the new version, notes doesn't start at all...
I ask: isn't it about time to use version numbers, like in the linux kernel? I now you are working toward "1.0" release, but I guess some 0.6.x (stable) 0.7.x (unstable), 0.8.x (stable again) coudn't hurt, and this kind of versioning give hints to people on where to go and what to download if they want something stable or if they want the "newest".
Absolutely not. Check the archives, I think this has been discussed before. Wine is a relatively small developer community. No one here is interested in creating a code fork and doing only bug fixes in one branch to try to make a stable release while doing the major development in another tree. What we want to do is do major development on one tree, period. That is at least until we feel that Wine is even CLOSE to finished at which point we will work towards a 1.0 release.
I think it's important to let wine users understand if the package they are about to install is a stable, well tested version, or an extremely new, developemental and untested version.
In my opinion, some snapshot (like the April 2001 one) are definitely beta quality, so I think it's useful to let people know this, especially at a time like this when the Lindows people are saying "we fixed wine, going from alfa to release!"... I'd really like to know from which snapshot they started...
Personally I would not consider a completely broken hacked together USER* that happens to work of beta quality. We would be wasting our time fixing bugs in the old versions. Let some company do that (i.e. Lindows).
Ciao, Roberto
Hmm, is that a blatant reference to the movie "The Waterboy" w/ Adam Sandler.. or just pure coincidence.
P.S. I hope to be more useful in future, since I'm starting my own business that will be based rather heavily on Linux, and this way I hope I'll be able to search and destroy the most annoying bugs I find.. :-)
Good luck. -Dave
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