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Ronald Robin wrote:
Hi! My name is Ronald and I was wondering if any of you guys out there can help me get in touch with Mr. Alexander Julliard or any of the leaders here in the WINE community. We've been trying to get in touch with him for months now and we have consistently failed to receive a response.
My company, SpecOps Labs, would like to discuss how we can contribute and work together with the WINE community. We believe we have a lot to contribute to the WINE community. However, without contact with any of the executives at WINEHQ, we are unable to do so.
We want to engage in an initial dialog with Mr. Julliard. Our CTO has already tried emailing him twice. It's possible we don't have the right contact information. We'd greatly appreciate it if someone here could help us out.
Hi Ronald, First, allow me to say that it is a pleasure to finally hear from SpecOps directly. So far, all the communication between your company and this project have been through press releases on your part, and public responses on ours. I am hoping we will all find that direct communication is a better way to conduct both business and development. I cannot answer for Alexandre regarding your inquiries with him. I am not even sure what "leaders in the WINE community" mean. As a free software project, wine has no executives, as it is not a body with a legally standing existence. If the cooperation discussion you wish to conduct is of a technical nature, the best way to conduct them is here, on this list. If it is of a legal nature, I'm not really sure what your legal standing would be. Legally, Wine belongs to its copyright holders, many of them can be reached through this list, but not all of them. Neither Alexandre, nor any other single person or entity, can approve activities that require all copyright holder's consent. This includes, among other things I'm probably forgetting, selling the code and changing the code's license to something not LGPL compatible. If what you are after is hired work to help you in development, you have several options. First of all, to the best of my knowledge, there are three companies that today have the know how to provide such services. These are CodeWeavers (http://www.codeweavers.com), TransGaming (http://www.transgaming.com/) who mostly work on their own proprietary variant of Wine, and my company, Lingnu (http://www.lingnu.com). There may also be other companies I am not aware of. Your best bet with any of those is to go through the "contact information" on their web site. In addition to that, some of the wine hackers on this list also work as free lancers. I am sure that directing a request to this list asking for hired help will provide you with people willing to sell you their time and knowledge. Hoping I've been helpful, Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. http://www.lingnu.com/
Hi, On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Ronald Robin wrote: [NON-Text Body part not included] When I try to read you email in pine I get:
[ Part 1, Application/X-PKCS7-MIME 11KB. ] [ Cannot display this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file. ]
So to read it I would have to save it as a file and then try to figure out how to read it (or wait for some other wine-devel subscriber to quote it in a reply, thanks Mike<g>). I have also heard reports that it causes some versions of mutt to crash. I don't know what happens if one tries to read it in emacs (which is what Alexandre uses) but if it is anything like pine or mutt this may explain the lack of response. Finally I'll note than an 'empty' email like this is pretty likely to be confused with spam or email sent by a worm with a spoofed email address as is unfortunately so common these days. That's another factor that may explain the lack of response. So I would recommend reconfiguring your email agent to send plain text emails, at least when posting to public mailing lists. -- Francois Gouget fgouget(a)free.fr http://fgouget.free.fr/ 145 = 1! + 4! + 5!
When I try to read you email in pine I get:
[ Part 1, Application/X-PKCS7-MIME 11KB. ] [ Cannot display this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file. ]
So to read it I would have to save it as a file and then try to figure out how to read it (or wait for some other wine-devel subscriber to quote it in a reply, thanks Mike<g>). I have also heard reports that it causes some versions of mutt to crash. I don't know what happens if one tries to read it in emacs (which is what Alexandre uses) but if it is anything like pine or mutt this may explain the lack of response.
Firstly let's get the email format discussion out of the way: To be fair, this seems to be Mutt/Pine sucking. The email source is a very standard multipart/mixed HTML+text mail which is the de-facto standard outside of geek mailing lists :) There's nothing magic about it, if somebodies email client can't read it, it seems to be broken. Unless something between me and wine-devel washed it into a more standard format (unlikely, never heard of it) I'm not sure where application/x-pkcs7-mime came from. That string doesn't appear in the email at all. The sending client is Outlook. Any email client that can't receive mail from Outlook needs some bugfixing, I think, standards or not.
Finally I'll note than an 'empty' email like this is pretty likely to be confused with spam or email sent by a worm with a spoofed email address as is unfortunately so common these days. That's another factor that may explain the lack of response.
It's not empty. It's form is totally standard, I get emails like this all the time. In fact it was scanned by SpamAssassin: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on ouse.qinetiq.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 ... and didn't trigger any rules at all. While posting as plain text to wine-devel makes sense, let's not roast this guy for a strange quirk of ourselves :)
So I would recommend reconfiguring your email agent to send plain text emails, at least when posting to public mailing lists.
Agreed. Now that's done with: - Alexandres email address is on the website, it's julliard(a)winehq.com but the best way to reach him is via this mailing list - Alexandre is a very busy man who receives a metric ton of email. If he didn't respond it's probably nothing personal: more likely it just got lost in the noise. And as others have mentioned, the best way to contribute to Wine is the same way everybody else does: by sending patches. thanks -mike
Mike Hearn wrote:
When I try to read you email in pine I get:
[ Part 1, Application/X-PKCS7-MIME 11KB. ] [ Cannot display this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file. ]
So to read it I would have to save it as a file and then try to figure out how to read it (or wait for some other wine-devel subscriber to quote it in a reply, thanks Mike<g>). I have also heard reports that it causes some versions of mutt to crash. I don't know what happens if one tries to read it in emacs (which is what Alexandre uses) but if it is anything like pine or mutt this may explain the lack of response.
Firstly let's get the email format discussion out of the way:
To be fair, this seems to be Mutt/Pine sucking. The email source is a very standard multipart/mixed HTML+text mail which is the de-facto standard outside of geek mailing lists :) There's nothing magic about it, if somebodies email client can't read it, it seems to be broken. Unless something between me and wine-devel washed it into a more standard format (unlikely, never heard of it)
I'm not sure where application/x-pkcs7-mime came from. That string doesn't appear in the email at all.
It appears in mine. While I can receive it, it would be good if everyone sent plain text emails as that is just good etiquette.
The sending client is Outlook. Any email client that can't receive mail from Outlook needs some bugfixing, I think, standards or not.
And mailman too, by the looks of it. http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-devel/2004/09/0631.html Rob
On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 04:55:17PM +0100, Mike Hearn wrote:
To be fair, this seems to be Mutt/Pine sucking. The email source is a very standard multipart/mixed HTML+text mail which is the de-facto standard outside of geek mailing lists :) There's nothing magic about it, if somebodies email client can't read it, it seems to be broken. Unless something between me and wine-devel washed it into a more standard format (unlikely, never heard of it)
I'm not sure where application/x-pkcs7-mime came from. That string doesn't appear in the email at all.
That probaly because your email client has automagically converted it for you. If I look at the raw email I see; Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-mime; smime-type=signed-data; name="smime.p7m" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7m" I have no idea how to read this. It's way too much effort so I'll just sent it to /dev/null. /Ulrich
That probaly because your email client has automagically converted it for you. If I look at the raw email I see;
Mea Culpa. It's unlikely to be Mozilla (Thunderbird), I guess some relay along the way is stripping digital signatures. That's quite serious and I hadn't suspected such a thing would ever happen - if you send something signed it's pretty important that it gets through signed! Maybe I should go beat up IT ... apologies for jumping to conclusions :(
[ Part 1, Application/X-PKCS7-MIME 11KB. ] [ Cannot display this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file. ]
Oh OK I take that back, I just checked the archives and it doesn't show up properly there either. I guess something along the way to me converted it to a "normal" email. Still, S/MIME is an IETF RFC, it's nothing non-standard. Hmm. If I got a washed email, maybe we could kit out winehq with whatever filters are doing it (I have no idea what that software would be) so S/MIME mails are converted before being sent on. That'd be great!
Ronald, It's good to hear from you guys. Regarding your contribution to Wine, we conduct our business in public, on this list, like most Open Source projects. It's best to post any issues on wine-devel(a)winehq.org, and patches that you'd like to see in the official tree to wine-patches(a)winehq.org. Feel free to ask questions about the process of getting your contributions into the tree. We'll be glad to answer. One more thing: it's best if you can post plain text messages to the mailing list. Not HTML, or any other strange formats. Your message for example was in a weird format that's not supported by my mail program, and it caused me no end of grief. Regards, Dimi.
Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
One more thing: it's best if you can post plain text messages to the mailing list. Not HTML, or any other strange formats. Your message for example was in a weird format that's not supported by my mail program, and it caused me no end of grief.
I guess it's not THAT weird. The message was signed using something called "comodo" (http://www.comodogroup.com). I believe the weird format is a result of the signing of the message. I'm not sure how standard this format is, but Mozilla seemed to be able to cope with it, including verifying the certificate and the signature on the email. Ronald, I think Outlook has an option of signing messages out of bound. This means that the message itself is sent as plain text, while the signature is sent as an attachment. This format is preferred for all recipients, as it requires less knowledge on the receiving side. Also, bear in mind that in some countries digital signatures are legally binding. These include at least the US and Israel. This means that one can hold you to anything you say in any signed email you send. Add to the the fact that the email's date and subject is not signed, and that you sometimes want to answer an email with a simple "yes", and I'm not sure that signing each and every outgoing email is a very good idea. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. http://www.lingnu.com/
"Ronald Robin" <robin(a)specopslabs.com> writes:
We want to engage in an initial dialog with Mr. Julliard. Our CTO has already tried emailing him twice. It's possible we don't have the right contact information. We'd greatly appreciate it if someone here could help us out.
I got his mails and replied (even though they were sent as Word documents which was a big pain to read). I imagine he never got the replies, it seems your mail setup needs some work. As I said in my replies, the best way to talk with the community is to post here on wine-devel; if you have patches you want to contribute to Wine send them to wine-patches. And please try to send your mails in plain text. -- Alexandre Julliard julliard(a)winehq.org
Hey Ronald, There's not really much to it. You submit patches against Wine, Alexandre commits them or perhaps tells you how the patches can be improved. Open source means everybody gets to see the code, and Wine is an LGPL project. We welcome new contributors! If you're looking for cooperation on a product, you'll better contact Jeremy White of Codeweavers( jwhite at codeweavers dot com ). Mike Ronald Robin wrote:
Hi! My name is Ronald and I was wondering if any of you guys out there can help me get in touch with Mr. Alexander Julliard or any of the leaders here in the WINE community. We've been trying to get in touch with him for months now and we have consistently failed to receive a response.
My company, SpecOps Labs, would like to discuss how we can contribute and work together with the WINE community. We believe we have a lot to contribute to the WINE community. However, without contact with any of the executives at WINEHQ, we are unable to do so.
We want to engage in an initial dialog with Mr. Julliard. Our CTO has already tried emailing him twice. It's possible we don't have the right contact information. We'd greatly appreciate it if someone here could help us out.
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