Talkback versions of wine

[Chris Morgan]

A user sent this to the appdb mailing list.  I thought the talkback idea was 
an interesting one that we might want to consider now that we are nearing 
1.0.

Chris


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Subject: suggest Appdb
Date: Thursday 27 October 2005 10:02 pm
From: "Elektro Schock" <elektroschock(a)linuxmail.org>
To: appdb(a)winehq.org

"Email your suggestions for improving the AppDB"

Well,

1. what I would like to see are Wine talkback versions

a) terminal output + related app + wine version + other config
b) delete dublicates
c) automatical submission to a server
d) add to app specific database if not dublicate

Benefits:
* Wine developers are able to determine what console output is generated when
 using the software * It is traceable what real applications will get
 improved when a certain FIXME is fixed and what applications depend on a
 bug. * app related bug reporting via automation
* it is possible to limit reporting to certain apps e.g. gold and silver apps
 only or certain types of bugs and to set a time limit for the talkback
 feature, so you get no old version reports. * you can determine what
 applications were tried by users and whether problems still exist * bug
 reporting becomes easier.

2. Where do I find documentation about the different kinds of wine bugs
 reported at the console?

err
fixme
Unexpected calls
bugs invoking wine-dbg
etc.

When you run an application with you run into "bugs". But certainly there
 often is no strict severity. What are severe errors that need to get
 reported?
What are just unimplemented features?

I further assume that bugzilla FIXMEs are not the same as console output 
 FIXMEs

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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:22:29 +0200, Chris Morgan <cmorgan(a)alum.wpi.edu>  
wrote:
> I thought the talkback idea was
> an interesting one that we might want to consider now that we are nearing
> 1.0.
> Chris

LOL. It's taken 10 yrs to get to beta, so "nearing 1.0" should be taken in  
context!

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[Steven Edwards]

Hi,

On 10/28/05, peter(a)piments.com <peter(a)piments.com> wrote:
> LOL. It's taken 10 yrs to get to beta, so "nearing 1.0" should be taken in
> context!

The beta process is going to be short. At wineconf I think Alexandre
said he wants to release a 1.0 by the end of the year.

Thanks
Steven

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:17:42 +0200, Steven Edwards <winehacker(a)gmail.com>  
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 10/28/05, peter(a)piments.com <peter(a)piments.com> wrote:
> > LOL. It's taken 10 yrs to get to beta, so "nearing 1.0" should be taken  
> > in
> > context!
>
> The beta process is going to be short. At wineconf I think Alexandre
> said he wants to release a 1.0 by the end of the year.
>
> Thanks
> Steven

Well I certainly wish everyone involved the best of luck in achieving that  
goal. It would be great to see.




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[Alexandre Julliard]

Steven Edwards <winehacker(a)gmail.com> writes:
> The beta process is going to be short. At wineconf I think Alexandre
> said he wants to release a 1.0 by the end of the year.

I never said anything like that...

Hopefully it won't take too long, but we still have a lot of work to
do on usability issues (winecfg, desktop mode, cdrom support, systray,
etc.), and we need better support for the various code obfuscation
tools, it's probably the number one cause of apps not even starting
today.

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[Jonathan Wilson]

> etc.), and we need better support for the various code obfuscation
> tools, it's probably the number one cause of apps not even starting
> today.
> Does that include things like Safedisk, Securom and other cd copy protections?

[Alexandre Julliard]

Jonathan Wilson <jonwil(a)tpgi.com.au> writes:
> > etc.), and we need better support for the various code obfuscation
> > tools, it's probably the number one cause of apps not even starting
> > today.
> > Does that include things like Safedisk, Securom and other cd copy protections?

As far as possible, yes. I think the goal for 1.0 should be that
anybody has to be able to try Wine and see that it's for real. This
means they must not be stopped either by not being able to configure
it, or by apps failing to even start.

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[Jonathan Wilson]

> As far as possible, yes. I think the goal for 1.0 should be that
> anybody has to be able to try Wine and see that it's for real. This
> means they must not be stopped either by not being able to configure
> it, or by apps failing to even start.
> I look forward to a day when vanilla WINE is good enough such that 
> WineX/Cdega is no longer required :)

[Christian Costa]

Alexandre Julliard wrote:
> Steven Edwards <winehacker(a)gmail.com> writes:
> > The beta process is going to be short. At wineconf I think Alexandre
> > said he wants to release a 1.0 by the end of the year.
>
> I never said anything like that...
>
> Hopefully it won't take too long, but we still have a lot of work to
> do on usability issues (winecfg, desktop mode, cdrom support, systray,
> etc.), and we need better support for the various code obfuscation
> tools, it's probably the number one cause of apps not even starting
> today.

Any chance we can have a tasks list for Wine 1.0 ?