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RE: Where is ELF stab documented?
by Medland, Bill June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

> -----Original Message----- > From: Medland, Bill [mailto:Bill.Medland(a)accpac.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:57 PM > To: Wine devel (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Where is ELF stab documented? > SNIP > > There is a GNU stabs documentation but I think it is not > complete. The > > only complete one might be the one in the gcc source :/ > > That's what I thought. Thanks anyway. > > Bill > or maybe http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/onlinedocs/stabs_toc.html Bill

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Re: Winehq: Bugzilla responsibilities page
by Andreas Mohr June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 12:06:22PM -0700, Andriy Palamarchuk wrote: > Changelog: > Added bugzilla responsibilities page. Hi, hmm, I'm not 100% sure about this. - why did you remove bug tracking link ? - "Talking Back" probably isn't very descriptive. I'd add something like "... (bugs etc.)" - that's Albe*r*telli - Application owners play *an* important role in the bugs handling process. - why add a whole new talkback.inc ? isn't that a bit overkill ? - why is <li>Bugs Hunting Guide</li> non-functional text ? Wow, questions over questions :-) Good job with bugz_resp.inc, BTW !! Needless to say I'll add this immediately as soon as these questions are covered :) -- Andreas Mohr Stauferstr. 6, D-71272 Renningen, Germany Tel. +49 7159 800604 http://mohr.de.tt

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RE: Where is ELF stab documented?
by Medland, Bill June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

> -----Original Message----- > From: Marcus Meissner [mailto:marcus(a)jet.franken.de] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:26 PM > To: Medland, Bill > Cc: Wine devel (E-mail) > Subject: Re: Where is ELF stab documented? > > > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 03:14:45PM -0700, Medland, Bill wrote: > > For the sheer heck of it I was going to have a look at bug > 650. I know its > > not a high priority or anything but it intrigued me. > Anyway, to look into > > it I would want decent documentation on the format of the > stab/stabstr > > sections of the ELF files to understand what the parser > should be doing. > > Does anyone know where I can find that information? I > didn't see anything > > immediately in the Intel v1.1 specification. > > It appears not harmful (libstdc++ is pulled by libXrender.so here). > > Oh and the new debugging format of gcc 3.1 is DWARF-2, not stabs > anymore. > > There is a GNU stabs documentation but I think it is not complete. The > only complete one might be the one in the gcc source :/ That's what I thought. Thanks anyway. Bill

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Do we need Direct3D? How about OpenGL?
by Roland June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

Hello, I just thought about this. AFAIK most good 3D games support OpenGL anyway. That means, they can run without D3D, right? If this is true maybe it would be more of an advantage to concentrate on other parts of DirectX first. Postpone D3D to a later moment...in a few years or so :)) Roland

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How big is the Direct3D stuff?
by Roland June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

Hello, since it seems that TG is not going to release their D3D stuff, my question is: why is it so difficult to reimplement this? How big is the amount of code? Roland

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Where is ELF stab documented?
by Medland, Bill June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

For the sheer heck of it I was going to have a look at bug 650. I know its not a high priority or anything but it intrigued me. Anyway, to look into it I would want decent documentation on the format of the stab/stabstr sections of the ELF files to understand what the parser should be doing. Does anyone know where I can find that information? I didn't see anything immediately in the Intel v1.1 specification. Bill

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Re: opengl32 wglSwapLayerBuffers
by Lionel Ulmer June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

> I do think it's odd as well since a more basic function can handle it. > fixme:opengl:wglSwapLayerBuffers (0000087c, 00000001) > ..repeated until exiting the game. > > So it's basically switching the main layer over and over again? Yes, so they are simply 'emulating' SwapBuffers with the 'wglSwapLayerBuffers' call (as they only request swapping of the main buffer as shown by the 0x00000001 parameter given to the fuPlane parameter). > I don't think it uses other layers. Because I think there would be a > graphics corruption if it did. None have been observed so far. Anyway, as seen in the trace you posted, they seem to not use it. > Heh, since I'm a beta tester, I can ask blizz why they even use this > function, and see if they respond. You could always try... > And it's the best running game I've seen running under wine. =) A pity I am not a fan of RTS games :-) Lionel (wondering if MacOS X is not to thank for all those OpenGL + D3D games coming out) -- Lionel Ulmer - http://www.bbrox.org/

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Re: imports by ordinal
by juergen.schmied＠debitel.net June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

>> I'd like to use in a internal wine-dll(shell32) a function exported >> by an other dll(shlwapi) by ordinal. How can I do this in a clean >> way without use of GetProcAddress in a way it works with native >> dll's too? >You have to use GetProcAddress, there is no automatic import >mechanism. That's a feature to discourage you from calling ordinal >functions ;-) shlwapi.dll exports quite a lot of functions to shell32 what would mean a lot of duplicate code ;-(. juergen

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RE: How big is the Direct3D stuff?
by Patrik Stridvall June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

> At 08:37 PM 6/6/02 +0200, Patrik Stridvall wrote: > > >I'm not distracting. I wasn't refering to anything you said. > >I merely stated that whether you agree or not I don't consider > >to be of your concern. > > This will be my last email to this thread. You originally said: > > > > > > >Secondly who are you to tell people what they can or can't do > > > > > >for a living? > > And this is nonsense, since I didn't say anything like that. If the sentence implies that you said that then perhaps it is because english is not my main language. A better formulation would perhaps be: Secondly what other people do for living is not of your concern. This was an reaction to your statement: "What do you mean by 'bought out'? I suppose there where WINE contributors who now work for TG, right? If this is the case it is another point in favour of the LGPL..." This I interpreted as you MIGHT be against that some of Wine's contributors starting working with Transgaming and that is was POSSIBLE that you thought (or hoped) that a LGPL:ed Wine would have prevented that. Thus I replied as I did in the event that you really was against it. I should perhaps have formulated myself better, though. You one the other hand shouldn't interpreting everything litterary. This is especially true when discussing things with non native english speakers. > Please keep your twisted logic for youself, I won't bother > discussing this > anymore, I have better things to do... I don't think logic have very much to do with it in this case. It lies more in the realm of miscommunication.

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RE: How big is the Direct3D stuff?
by Patrik Stridvall June 6, 2002

June 6, 2002

> At 08:10 PM 6/6/02 +0200, Patrik Stridvall wrote: > > > > >Secondly who are you to tell people what they can or can't do > > > >for a living? > > > > > > Huh? Did I say it was wrong what they did? Please provide > > > some evidence, > > > otherwise apologize... > > > >It was not meant as an accusation, merely a statement that > >it is not of your concern what other people do. > > Please don't try to distract. I'm not distracting. I wasn't refering to anything you said. I merely stated that whether you agree or not I don't consider to be of your concern. > Someone mentioned that > programmers got bought > out, then I asked what that meant exactly. I never said, that > I didn't > agree with programmers working for TG. In fact I think there > is nothing > wrong with that. So I didn't tell anyone they shouldn't do it. > Ok? So then we agree. Good.

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