March 2008 - Wine-devel - list.winehq.org

Re: wine-devel Digest, Vol 32, Issue 75
by Corey McClymonds 20 Mar '08

20 Mar '08

> From: "Dan Kegel" <dank(a)kegel.com> > To: "Wine Developers List" <wine-devel(a)winehq.org> > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:31:03 -0700 > Subject: re: Google Summer of Code Test Suite project > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Corey McClymonds <galeru at gmail.com> wrote: > > I would like to work on the Regression Suite project, but I'm not > > quite sure of the scope. Would I be choosing a good 30 or 40 > > applications that run well on wine, using wpkg to install them, and > > then test for failures? Because that would seem as though I am only > > doing installer testing, instead of actual application testing. > > That would be fine for starters. > > > I > > would also like to do some sort of automated regression testing for > > actual features you can easily test, if that would be possible. > > That would be icing on the cake. > > Application testing is insanely difficult. Even installer testing > is difficult to actually deliver. I would prefer that you aim > to get a simple run-this-script-and-it-tests-N-installers > script working and in the wine developers' hot little > hands ASAP before you get fancy and try to make > it test more than just installs. Because essentially > all efforts to do that in the past have failed. > > Make sense? > > FWIW, here's my first try at it from long ago. It's a minimal little > script that just tests one app's installer. I would prefer you > start with something this simple. > http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2006-July/049913.html > Also, maybe you could make some use of Lei's yawt script, > http://code.google.com/p/yawt/ > It's kind of overkill, but it takes care of comparing registry keys and files > created by the installer. > - Dan > > Yeah, I was unaware of how difficult it would be, although now that I put on my programmers cap, I can see how it would be really difficult to do so. In that case, I would still like to do a regression test for installations to help out the wine project.

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re: Google Summer of Code Test Suite project
by Dan Kegel 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Corey McClymonds <galeru at gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to work on the Regression Suite project, but I'm not > quite sure of the scope. Would I be choosing a good 30 or 40 > applications that run well on wine, using wpkg to install them, and > then test for failures? Because that would seem as though I am only > doing installer testing, instead of actual application testing. That would be fine for starters. > I > would also like to do some sort of automated regression testing for > actual features you can easily test, if that would be possible. That would be icing on the cake. Application testing is insanely difficult. Even installer testing is difficult to actually deliver. I would prefer that you aim to get a simple run-this-script-and-it-tests-N-installers script working and in the wine developers' hot little hands ASAP before you get fancy and try to make it test more than just installs. Because essentially all efforts to do that in the past have failed. Make sense? FWIW, here's my first try at it from long ago. It's a minimal little script that just tests one app's installer. I would prefer you start with something this simple. http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2006-July/049913.html Also, maybe you could make some use of Lei's yawt script, http://code.google.com/p/yawt/ It's kind of overkill, but it takes care of comparing registry keys and files created by the installer. - Dan

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Re: winex11drv: Distinguish left and right keys for shift, ctrl and alt. (try 4)
by Vitaliy Margolen 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Vitaliy Margolen wrote: > This time with lots of tests that exposed number of other problems that > were fixed. > > I could not separate this patch into separate pieces - they all linked > together and > fixing one problem meant fixing or breaking something else. This > especially related > to the tests that test everything together as a one black box. > > There are still few problems remain that could be exposed by tightening > tests. > --- Anything wrong with this patch? Vitaliy

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Summer of code and bidi
by Maarten Lankhorst 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Hi Shachar, I've removed the bi-directional entry from summer of code. I don't think it is a good project because it involves a lot of changes in pretty much all wine user controls. The only way to do this would be by using the pango library to do the laying out of text, but I'm not even sure whether that is a good summer of code idea, since it would need someone already very experienced with the plumbing of wine. Maarten.

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Splitting wine wiki FAQ (was: Wine wiki cleanup)
by Dan Kegel 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Jim <wineforum-user(a)winehq.org> wrote: > Should we do this for the FAQ as well? I mean: > > Make a separate developer DeveloperFaq (WikiName) > > Move developer related topics from FAQ to DeveloperFAQ > > Add question to FAQ "Where is the Developer FAQ?" to FAQ. -OR- Possibly not as a FAQ question but a very visible Note at the top. "Developers see DeveloperFaq" > > A shorter FAQ may look less intimidating to lazy readers thus encouraging more readers and possibly fewer "noob" questions on the list. Sounds good to me! I'm cc'ing wine-devel; if nobody objects by Friday, go ahead and do it. - Dan

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"winefix" - interesting wrapper for wine
by Dan Kegel 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Tom W. found and publicized a script called "winefix" by an ubuntu forums user named "deadlydeathcone": http://digg.com/linux_unix/Winefix_improved_desktop_integration_for_Wine http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/10/winefix-improved-desktop-integratio… http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=6e904c1df87d3fd1698ab5d7bbdbf664&t… It's got a bunch of interesting stuff. I wonder if we could get him to join wine-devel and start contributing to wine itself... - Dan -- Wine for Windows ISVs: http://kegel.com/wine/isv

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Appdb nice urls: best way to test indexing of production data
by John Klehm 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

On my spring break and had some free time so I thought I'd take a shot at implementing nice urls for the appdb that DanK had suggested a while back. I have decent bit of code in place that will interpret the url http://appdb.winehq.org/app/what-you-want-here and then feed the chunks into a hash table and return the match or matches however it goes. However indexing the large amount of data in the production appdb database could take sometime so I was wanting to test it before I sent my code in. I was wondering if there was a way to download the data from the appdb? --John Klehm

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SoC page insurrection! Idea details needed, please read.
by Dan Kegel 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Looking at our Summer of Code ideas page, I realized it was getting dense and unruly, so I and Maarten moved it off to the side and did a simpler one; see http://wiki.winehq.org/SummerOfCode The DirectX stuff in particular could use some more detail; could the knowledgeable people flesh it out? Also each idea should probably have a sponsor the students could turn to for ideas. I've put a few obvious ones in, but it'd be nice if each one was claimed. Thanks, Dan

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Re: Hardy Heron -- Pulseaudio interferes with non-gnome audio
by Susan Cragin 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

But wait! There are more! Alsa people tell me they have one for Ekiga. Gnome has one, too. https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3825 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413552 I think a wiki page is a great idea, and I'll set one up later on http://ossri.harvee.org -----Original Message----- >From: Susan Cragin <susancragin(a)earthlink.net> >Sent: Mar 19, 2008 9:03 AM >To: Wine Developers <wine-devel(a)winehq.org> >Cc: Dan Kegel <dank06(a)kegel.com> >Subject: Re: Hardy Heron -- Pulseaudio interferes with non-gnome audio > >Wine has two bugs filed for this also: >http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495 >http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10910 >I am worried that everyone (WINE, ALSA, Pulse, Ubuntu) is not on the same page. Will try cross-posting bug information. >Part of the problem seems to be that the most-missed application is Skype, and some are trying to get away with blaming closed-source issues. >Tom -- I should include the link to your patch, yes, so that other developers have access to it? >Susan >Dan -- What do you think? Good idea? > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Tomas Carnecky <tom(a)dbservice.com> >>Sent: Mar 18, 2008 5:14 PM >>To: Susan Cragin <susancragin(a)earthlink.net> >>Cc: wine-devel(a)winehq.org >>Subject: Re: Hardy Heron -- Pulseaudio interferes with non-gnome audio >> >>Susan Cragin wrote: >>> The new default pulseaudio in Hardy screws up every program that isn't gnome, delivering terrible sound. >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453 >> >>Applications that use ALSA should work fine with the alsa pulse plugin - >> should. Unfortunately the plugin has a few bugs, and the developers >>(of both pulseaudio and alsa) have been unresponsive in this matter. See >> - http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/198 >> - https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601 >> >>> Question -- what does WINE do with pulseaudio? >> >>Some suggested to create a native PulseAudio wine driver. That would >>yield the best results as far as the performance and reliability goes. >>Unfortunately we'll be stuck with the alsa driver for some time to come, >>so I tried to do the best to make the alsa pulse plugin to work with >>wine. I had to patch both the wine alsa driver as well as the alsa pulse >>plugin and it worked fine for my taste. >> >>I submitted the patch to wine-patches: >>http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2008-February/050561.html >> >>I don't know if the relevant alsa pulse plugin patch is publicly >>available, I haven't looked at that matter in a long time. Some of the >>needed patches are probably still in my local repositories. It makes no >>sense for me to work on this anymore until the developers respond to my >>questions. >> >>> http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=112021 >> >>I heard that the skype developers are very interested in getting skype >>working with pulseaudio, even helped tisting some patches. I have gotten >>skype to work with pulseaudio, I think if you apply the second patch >>attached to alsa bug #2601 skype will work. I haven't looked at the code >>since because apparently nobody from the alsa team is interested in >>fixing the bug. >> >>tom > > > > >

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Re: wine.inf: Add "ShowMenuDelay" value
by Anatoly Lyutin 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Anatoly Lyutin wrote: > Changelog: > Add "ShowMenuDelay" value Ooooops! Right changelog: Changelog: Add "MenuShowDelay" value. -- Best regards Anatoly Lyutin.

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