[Bug 16463] New: ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Summary: ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using
                    a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)
           Product: Wine
           Version: CVS/GIT
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: major
          Priority: P2
         Component: winmm&mci
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

When using this multi-channel sound card on wine, it doesn't work unless
another app has already opened it and made dmix active (or dsnoop for input).
I'm using ALSA 1.0.18 with the default out-of-box configuration on Gentoo (no
.asoundrc file).

The problem lies in wine's ALSA_TestDeviceForWine function because it tries to
open the card using hw:[card],[device] and eventually fails on
snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(pcm, hwparams, 2) because the card can't be set
to only 2 channels when using the hardware device directly. When the card has
already been opened by another program via "plughw" or "default", opening the
card using "hw" seems to redirect to "plughw" automatically and wine succeeds
in setting 2 channels.

I tried changing ALSA_TestDeviceForWine to use plughw:[card],[device] and all
playback/recording worked perfectly without needing another app to previously
open dmix/dsnoop. Is there some reason this isn't the default behaviour or
there isn't a registry option for it? I would assume other cards that can't be
set to 2 channels in hardware are affected as well.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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           Severity|major                       |minor
            Version|CVS/GIT                     |1.1.10

--- Comment #1 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-12-11 08:46:50 ---
http://bugs.winehq.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity

What sound card do you have that don't support 2 channels? This is IMHO a
driver bug.

You can tell Wine not to use direct hardware access via registry
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\Alsa Driver]
UseDirectHW="n"

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Robert Broglia  changed:

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            Version|1.1.10                      |CVS/GIT

--- Comment #2 from Robert Broglia   2008-12-11 15:15:33 ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> http://bugs.winehq.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity
>
> What sound card do you have that don't support 2 channels? This is IMHO a
> driver bug.
>
> You can tell Wine not to use direct hardware access via registry
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\Alsa Driver]
> UseDirectHW="n"

It's a Terratec Dmx 6fire using the ice1712 driver as stated in the bug
summary. The card has been supported in alsa for quite some time so I'm pretty
sure it's not a driver bug. I'm under the impression the "hw" pcm device can
only be used with a sound card's native settings and since this card has about
12 channels, that's why the error occurs.

Also, if you look at winealsa.drv's waveinit.c, you'll find the function
ALSA_TestDeviceForWine does not take UseDirectHW into account and hardcodes
"hw" as the device name.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

--- Comment #3 from Robert Broglia   2008-12-12 07:13:12 ---
Created an attachment (id=17862)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=17862)
make ALSA_TestDeviceForWine respect the UseDirectHW setting

The following patch makes wine's alsa initialization correctly respect
UseDirectHW. I changed ALSA_TestDeviceForWine to take a pcm name string instead
of card & device ints. This allows the caller to decide if they want to pass hw
or plughw depending on the UseDirectHW setting and I modified the 2 calls in
ALSA_ScanDevices to do so.

Now the playback and recording on my sound card works correctly and I don't
foresee this patch affecting the functionality of currently working sound
cards, so hopefully it can be merged with the official wine source.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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           Severity|major                       |minor
            Version|CVS/GIT                     |1.1.10

--- Comment #4 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-12-12 09:02:05 ---
Looks ok to me. You should send it to wine-patches mailing list. Patches are
not being picked up from bugzilla.

Please don't use git/cvs version. This is minor severity - read definitions of
severity levels.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Austin English  changed:

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[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

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Robert Broglia  changed:

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           Severity|minor                       |major
            Version|1.1.10                      |CVS/GIT

--- Comment #5 from Robert Broglia   2008-12-12 18:47:13 ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> Looks ok to me. You should send it to wine-patches mailing list. Patches are
> not being picked up from bugzilla.
>
> Please don't use git/cvs version. This is minor severity - read definitions of
> severity levels.

Thanks for the info. I've sent the patch to the mailing list.

I'm using the Git version to make sure the issue still applies there, but I've
also checked 1.1.10 & many previous versions and they're all affected. It's
marked as major because I consider the loss of audio playback/recording in all
applications = Major loss of functionality for a wide range of applications.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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           Severity|major                       |minor
            Version|CVS/GIT                     |1.1.10

--- Comment #6 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-12-13 14:28:52 ---
Please don't use cvs/git version - it's deprecated.

This is minor severity - read definitions of severity levels:

Minor - For minor loss of functionality, or other problem where an easy
workaround is present

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

--- Comment #7 from Austin English   2009-06-16 14:24:39 ---
Is this still an issue in current (1.1.23 or newer) wine?

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

--- Comment #8 from Robert Broglia   2009-06-22 19:39:27 ---
(In reply to comment #7)
> Is this still an issue in current (1.1.23 or newer) wine?

I just updated to 1.1.24 and this issue is still present.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

--- Comment #9 from Austin English   2010-06-04 15:43:46 ---
This is your friendly reminder that there has been no bug activity for 11
months. Is this still an issue in current (1.2-rc2 or newer) wine?

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Raymond  changed:

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--- Comment #10 from Raymond   2010-06-05 21:55:57 ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> http://bugs.winehq.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity
>
> What sound card do you have that don't support 2 channels? This is IMHO a
> driver bug.
>
> You can tell Wine not to use direct hardware access via registry
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\Alsa Driver]
> UseDirectHW="n"

the ice1712 only support 10 channels playback and 12 channels capture

any reason that user cannot select "plughw" or "front" if wine require the
driver support 2 channels playback and capture

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Jouni Kvist  changed:

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--- Comment #11 from Jouni Kvist  2010-12-06 09:47:52 CST ---
I would like to confirm this bug. The only way to get wave out device to appear
under ALSA in Sound Drivers, is to first start up an application that uses ALSA
and then start the winecfg. The same applies to starting any wine application.

I'm using M-Audio delta 1010LT (ice1712) sound card, Wine-1.3.8, Ubuntu 10.10
(64bit) & ALSA 1.0.23.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Juan Lang  changed:

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             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |NEW
     Ever Confirmed|0                           |1

--- Comment #12 from Juan Lang  2010-12-06 13:25:20 CST ---
Confirmed by multiple comments.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Austin English  changed:

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          Component|winmm&mci                   |winealsa.drv

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

--- Comment #13 from Raymond  2011-04-12 18:41:15 CDT ---
do you mean "front" device still does not work ?

http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-lib.git;a=commit;h=d3906a93072171e5b5f40...

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

--- Comment #14 from [e-mail] 2013-10-18 13:47:13 CDT ---
This ticket has not been updated for over 900 days. Development recommends
to check the status on your bug every release or two and let to be known if the
bug is still present. If not, mark it fixed. If you are no longer able to put
effort to this ticket, you can abandon it.

Is this still an issue with 1.7.4 or higher ?

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

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[e-mail] changed:

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--- Comment #15 from [e-mail] ---
abandon

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16463

Austin English  changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |ABANDONED

--- Comment #16 from Austin English  ---
Abandoned.

[Bug 16463] ALSA has to be "jump started" by another app when using a Terratec Dmx 6fire card (ice1712 driver)

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Bruno Jesus  changed:

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--- Comment #17 from Bruno Jesus  ---
Closing abandoned.