[Bug 11442] New: add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

Summary: add conversion of national characters on the fly
           Product: Wine
           Version: 0.9.44.
          Platform: Other
        OS/Version: other
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P2
         Component: -unknown
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

The problem is that I use some apps that require input of polish characters. I
can type of course characters from a to z, but to get letters like
óęąłśżć I have to press for example alt+a alt+o alt+l etc.
Since the ó character is "international" also (not solely polish) I manage to
input this one. But the rest of them are ignored (*).

(*) I don't know if the keystroke is ignored, or the character the keystroke
creates is ignored

Some thoughts:
a) it would be good to being able to input (for example) polish characters in
the way described above
b) but alternative exists -- conversion on the fly, this means I would press
keys that creates polish characters in linux and such character is converted
(user should specify source and target charset encoding) and put into windows
app

I don't know if wine uses xkb layout for keys, it seems it does not, so it is
hard to tell for me what would be the best solution to add just a miminal
complexity.

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

--- Comment #1 from Dmitry Timoshkov   2008-02-02 07:12:24 ---
Please specify your Hardware and OS above. What's your locale settings?

Also filing a bug for so old version of Wine is in the most cases useless,
always report the bugs for the latest released Wine version.

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

Maciej Pilichowski  changed:

What    |Removed                     |Added
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         OS/Version|other                       |Linux
           Platform|Other                       |PC
            Version|0.9.44.                     |0.9.54.

--- Comment #2 from Maciej Pilichowski   2008-02-02 08:24:49 ---
> Please specify your Hardware and OS above.

Sorry, the list is not sorted and I missed linux. I set PC as a hardware, I
don't know it if correct, I use 32bit intel.
> Also filing a bug for so old version of Wine is in the most cases
> useless, always report the bugs for the latest released Wine
> version.

You are right, I upgraded and changed the version info accordingly. No change
however in behaviour.
> What's your locale settings?

I test it for LANG=en_EN and LANG=pl_PL.cp1250. But there is no difference
either.

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

Hans Leidekker  changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Hans Leidekker   2008-02-02 08:36:20 ---
Please try LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 and post full output of the locale command here.
Which distro are you running?

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

--- Comment #4 from Maciej Pilichowski   2008-02-02 09:03:56 ---
Hans, I use opensuse 10.3. With this LANG I can use basic apps, like notepad,
and then I get polish characters (thank you!) but this method fails for the app
I would like to use. The reason is (tested) that app was installed with
different LANG.

So... it works if user set LANG to the value she/he would like to see in
Windows/Wine environment, however it would be great to see this as settings in
wine. It is sufficient to set locale for Windows and wine could simply set LANG
before launching accordingly.

This way user does not have to touch to any "black magic" :-)

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |INVALID

--- Comment #5 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-02-02 09:33:27 ---
This is not magic, this is how UNIX works. You can change that locale for your
system and you won't need any extra configuration for Wine.

Closing invalid. Wine is part of the system not self-contained system. It have
to integrate (which it does) not duplicate all settings (which are bugs, and
should be fixed/removed).

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

--- Comment #6 from Maciej Pilichowski   2008-02-02 11:31:24 ---
> This is not magic, this is how UNIX works.

I know.
> You can change that locale for your system and you won't need any
> extra configuration for Wine.

I cannot do this -- I need separate settings. Besides, you have in Windows
settings for your locale, right? In Wine, you have audio, graphics, but the
locale is missing. Since there is no Windows, there is no place you can set --
in nice, GUI manner.
> Closing invalid. Wine is part of the system not self-contained
> system. It have to integrate (which it does) not duplicate all
> settings (which are bugs, and should be fixed/removed).

I don't fully understand your thinking. Wine provides way to run Windows apps,
right? In Windows you can set (for example) for specific app keyboard A, for
another one, keyboard B. How can you do this in Wine? Only by setting LANG, it
works, but my wish is to provide GUI way to do it.

Changing each time the whole system settings because it is needed by _one_ app
it is no solution really.

Please reconsider.

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

--- Comment #7 from [e-mail]  2008-02-02 12:14:39 ---
If I understand you correctly, simply using these commandlines should be
enough? "LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 wine setup.exe" and "LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 wine
installedapp.exe" ...  you're not changing system settings.

Anyway, this isn't the right forum for discussion. Ask on wine-users.

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

--- Comment #8 from Maciej Pilichowski   2008-02-02 12:44:55 ---
Knan, Hans already described that LANG does the trick and I know how to apply
this to configure windows apps. However I doubt that regular user knows how to
set this -- for example as one liner in command line in Kicker panel app
settings.

The wish is: provide GUI way to configure this. It could be stand next to
windows version combo box. And I believe this is the exact forum for posting
wish-reports.

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

--- Comment #9 from Austin English   2008-02-02 17:32:02 ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> The wish is: provide GUI way to configure this. It could be stand next to
> windows version combo box. And I believe this is the exact forum for posting
> wish-reports.

Could add a new tab in winecfg, and allow configuring LANG on a per-app basis.
Would make a good little project for someone with some spare time...

[Bug 11442] add conversion of national characters on the fly

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11442

Dmitry Timoshkov  changed:

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             Status|RESOLVED                    |CLOSED

--- Comment #10 from Dmitry Timoshkov   2008-02-02 21:35:57 ---
Closing.