http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000
Summary: The original win32 api is still more popular then wine. Product: Wine Version: 0.9.46. Platform: Other URL: http://www.winehq.org OS/Version: other Status: NEW Severity: critical Priority: P2 Component: wine-winelib AssignedTo: wine-bugs@winehq.org ReportedBy: M.B.Lankhorst@gmail.com
Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. A lot of software depends on the win32 api, so wine should eventually have to be the most popular implementation of it.
This idea came from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 ;-)
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Jan Zerebecki jan.wine@zerebecki.de changed:
What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|The original win32 api is |The original win32 api |still more popular then |implementation is still more |wine. |popular then wine.
--- Comment #1 from Jan Zerebecki jan.wine@zerebecki.de 2007-10-11 13:23:42 --- This depends on having very good and complete documentation. Currently even though msdn contains many errors their documentation is more complete.
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--- Comment #2 from Alexandre Julliard julliard@winehq.org 2007-10-11 13:28:37 --- Actually the Wine source code is a much better documentation of the Win32 API than MSDN...
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Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com changed:
What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dank@kegel.com Difficulty|--- |Years
--- Comment #3 from Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com 2007-10-11 13:36:13 --- We can do it without extra documentation, we just have to write lots of conformance tests to see how MS win32 behaves.
Setting "Difficulty" field.
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--- Comment #4 from Detlef Riekenberg wine.dev@web.de 2007-10-11 13:40:55 --- Created an attachment (id=8519) --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=8519) Windows API Documentation test
The Windows API Documentation test failed
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Lei Zhang thestig@google.com changed:
What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|The original win32 api |The original win32 api |implementation is still more|implementation is still more |popular then wine. |popular than wine.
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--- Comment #5 from Jan Zerebecki jan.wine@zerebecki.de 2007-10-11 17:31:29 --- Yes conformance tests are the first step. And yes the source code is good to find out what happens. But that is not a replacement for good documentation in written prose ( http://source.winehq.org/WineAPI/ ).
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--- Comment #6 from Dmitry Timoshkov dmitry@codeweavers.com 2007-10-12 10:39:00 --- What is this bug about? Is it a joke to just take a bug with number 10000? I'm tempted to close it as invalid.
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Dmitry Timoshkov dmitry@codeweavers.com changed:
What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID
--- Comment #7 from Dmitry Timoshkov dmitry@codeweavers.com 2007-10-14 00:07:47 --- Popularity is not a technical merit. Closing as invalid.
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Dmitry Timoshkov dmitry@codeweavers.com changed:
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--- Comment #8 from Dmitry Timoshkov dmitry@codeweavers.com 2007-10-14 00:08:00 --- Closing.
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James Hawkins truiken@gmail.com changed:
What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|_obsolete_winelib |-unknown
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Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com changed:
What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|CLOSED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |
--- Comment #9 from Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com 2008-03-18 10:50:35 --- Think of this bug as a milestone rather than a conventional bug.
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--- Comment #10 from Maarten Lankhorst m.b.lankhorst@gmail.com 2008-06-17 20:24:57 --- *** Bug 13396 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
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--- Comment #11 from Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com 2008-06-17 22:11:45 --- Still an issue with wine-1.0.
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Austin English austinenglish@gmail.com changed:
What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keywords| |download
--- Comment #12 from Austin English austinenglish@gmail.com 2008-12-15 13:53:19 --- Still present in git.
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Rafał Rzepecki divided.mind@gmail.com changed:
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--- Comment #13 from Rafał Rzepecki divided.mind@gmail.com 2009-03-02 18:13:09 --- I can confirm as of 1.1.16.
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Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com changed:
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--- Comment #14 from Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com 2009-03-18 18:42:06 --- I can't reproduce this bug, and haven't been able to for about 5 years or so. Does anyone have steps to reproduce? I suspect it has something to do with me deleting my Windows install from my desktop ...
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--- Comment #15 from Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com 2009-03-18 18:46:19 --- 1. Visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems 2. Note that the wedge devoted to Linux is too small to see with the naked eye.
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--- Comment #16 from Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com 2009-03-18 22:03:46 --- You're such a buzzkill, Dan ;)
I can see the wedge fine, but it doesn't prove much. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to accurately measure OS shares, partly due to the fact that Linux is free so you can't go by number of sales/downloads.
With webservers logging user-agents, things like user-agent spoofing (User-Agent Switcher extension in Firefox, and built in to browsers like Opera and Konqueror) skew the results in favour of Windows. Even Wine Gecko will register as <insert Windows version here> in the user-agent string.
Regardless, this bug is not apparent *for me*. I can't speak for the rest of the world, but the alternative win32 implementation irritates me much more than Wine does :)
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--- Comment #17 from Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com 2009-03-19 09:49:53 --- Web server access logs are a pretty good measure, and they show that this bug is still definitely a problem. As you point out, non-windows systems are now capable, but that wasn't the bug; the bug is that fewer people are using them than are using Windows. And that's demonstrably still true.
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Ivan Baldo ibaldo@adinet.com.uy changed:
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Łukasz lukp1@op.pl changed:
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--- Comment #18 from Łukasz lukp1@op.pl 2009-07-12 15:10:42 --- The Bug still present under 1.1.25. But not affect my life at all.
Hardcore solve (may can help someone, but can make also your life hard): - make a list of at least ten friends using win32 api - find out when they are not at home - delete MS:W$ - install linux
Some of them may not see the diffrence. But after some time of using linux they may consider "hey, where is my bluescreen? And why my OS is working so fast? Where are my viruses?" etc. Than you can explain what you did. I suppose they won't install W$ again. But if The Bug returns - try again.
Hope it helped. Good luck!
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zil zilforever@gmail.com changed:
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--- Comment #19 from zil zilforever@gmail.com 2009-10-17 05:51:36 --- Im using WindowsXP because of games. Until games will be multi OS or games will work with Wine, I need both OS on PC :(. Question: In theory, can windows games can run faster or at least equal under Wine. If Wine and drivers would be optimized?
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--- Comment #20 from Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com 2009-10-17 06:15:52 --- (In reply to comment #19)
Until games will be multi OS or games will work with Wine, I need both OS on PC :(.
You may be interested in www.linuxgamepublishing.com.
Question: In theory, can windows games can run faster or at least equal under Wine.
Yes and this does happen sometimes. In some cases, it's due to OpenGL running faster on Linux systems in general (typically thanks to nVidia's drivers) but other factors include better memory and process management in Linux compared to Windows.
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Robert Wm Ruedisueli esd45@earthlink.net changed:
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--- Comment #21 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli esd45@earthlink.net 2010-04-05 23:53:30 --- This is obviously an excellent milestone goal.
Getting full support for Win32 standards to the vast majority of Alternative OSs will really be the first step towards this.
The main disadvantage right now is that people feel safe with their applications and don't want to switch them all to switch OSs.
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Luke Bratch l_bratch@yahoo.co.uk changed:
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Dmitry Timoshkov dmitry@codeweavers.com changed:
What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Difficulty|Years |--- Severity|critical |enhancement
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fracting fracting@gmail.com changed:
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olof olof_nord_@hotmail.com changed:
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--- Comment #22 from olof olof_nord_@hotmail.com 2011-05-19 12:02:17 CDT --- Issue still persists in latest wine (1.3.20). Have not tried the solution proposed in comment 18 though.
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--- Comment #23 from Henri Verbeet hverbeet@gmail.com 2012-03-25 10:21:00 CDT --- IMHO this should be closed WONTFIX as popularity shouldn't be a project goal purely on its own. I suppose "project goals" may be an interesting conversation to have at some point though.
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André H. nerv@dawncrow.de changed:
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--- Comment #24 from André H. nerv@dawncrow.de 2013-02-07 09:13:04 CST --- This might be fixed already for ARM or will be fixed for ARM at some point, just have a look what's going on with Windows RT.
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renee bullcity216@att.net changed:
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--- Comment #25 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli ruediix@gmail.com 2013-03-04 09:53:43 CST --- (In reply to comment #23)
IMHO this should be closed WONTFIX as popularity shouldn't be a project goal purely on its own. I suppose "project goals" may be an interesting conversation to have at some point though.
I think we will close this as NOTABUG once Wine functions more reliably and accurately than the more popular Win32 platform, as then it will be an issue with the keyboard to chair interface, or more often the case, the controlling process of the keyboard to chair interface.
With the bugs pouring in on the latest version of that competing platform, with it's developer denying the existence of said bugs and even large companies like Valve refusing to work around those bugs, our job may have just gotten a lot easier.
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hamzaNouri hamza.nouri@esprit.tn changed:
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Shubham shubhambtps@live.in changed:
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--- Comment #26 from Shubham shubhambtps@live.in --- Comment on attachment 8519 --> https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=8519 Windows API Documentation test
What are we supposed to do with this bug because i don't think it's a real bug.
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rebe@gmx.net changed:
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--- Comment #27 from rebe@gmx.net --- The original implementation removed .hlp file support (Win32help.exe). The option to reinstall the app only works for Win <10. Wine continues to support the legacy format. Some bugs remaining e.g. #29579 #14286 #14296 #14299
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tokktokk fdsfgs@krutt.org changed:
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Jens N jens.n@godlike.biz changed:
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--- Comment #28 from Jens N jens.n@godlike.biz --- Unfortunally this is still a big issue. I heard valve is also working towards a solution with their steam deck. Maybe there is a way to fix it with combined efforts? ;-)
Btw. this bug should also include the win64 implementation.
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--- Comment #29 from Ben Klein shacklein@gmail.com --- (In reply to Jens N from comment #28)
Unfortunally this is still a big issue. I heard valve is also working towards a solution with their steam deck. Maybe there is a way to fix it with combined efforts? ;-)
Btw. this bug should also include the win64 implementation.
I think we need to wait for bug #65535 before addressing the win64 issue
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