[Bug 50533] New: crash at MSMoney launch script

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20 Jan 2021 20 Jan '21

3:23 p.m.

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50533

Bug ID: 50533 Summary: crash at MSMoney launch script Product: Wine Version: 5.0 Hardware: x86-64 OS: Linux Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: -unknown Assignee: wine-bugs@winehq.org Reporter: fbmines@gmail.com Distribution: ---

Hi, recent upgrades to Ubuntu 20.04 and Wine 5.0, MSMoney3 run once under this new setup but crashed at the 2nd attempt with the following message:

002e:err:winsock:WSAIoctl -> SIO_ADDRESS_LIST_CHANGE request failed with status 0x2733 wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to FFFFFFFF at address 000004C1 (thread 0031), starting debugger...

debugger never ended, Thanks for your help,

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20 Jan 20 Jan

7:43 p.m.

New subject: [Bug 50533] crash at MSMoney launch script

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8:15 p.m.

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--- Comment #1 from fbmines@gmail.com --- More attempts: MsMoney starts normally even with the message (main question) in the terminal then crashes, the backtrace starts with :

Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0xffffffff in 16-bit code (1387:04c1). In 16 bit mode.

Problem of 16 vs. 32 vs. 64 bits ?

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--- Comment #2 from fbmines@gmail.com --- Created attachment 69199 --> https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=69199 backtrace

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21 Jan 21 Jan

7:58 a.m.

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--- Comment #3 from winetest@luukku.com --- how is this any different from bug 50040 ?

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3:29 p.m.

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--- Comment #4 from fbmines@gmail.com --- Error message is in the terminal at the launch of the script, and MsMoney crash at the onset; in bug 50040 it crashed while MsMoney attempted to run some operations,

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22 Jan 22 Jan

2:33 p.m.

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--- Comment #5 from fbmines@gmail.com --- The same error appears in the terminal when starting winecfg:

f@MTL:~$ winecfg 002e:err:winsock:WSAIoctl -> SIO_ADDRESS_LIST_CHANGE request failed with status 0x2733

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24 Jan 24 Jan

10:22 p.m.

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--- Comment #6 from fbmines@gmail.com --- winsock error has disappeared when removing some other Windows program than MsMoney, MsMoney still crash in Wine, i create a new bug report specific to this error, this bug report can be abandonned,

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10:23 p.m.

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--- Comment #7 from fbmines@gmail.com --- winsock error has disappeared when removing some other Windows program than MsMoney, MsMoney still crash in Wine, i create a new bug report specific to this error, this bug report can be abandoned,

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10:25 p.m.

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fbmines@gmail.com changed:

--- Comment #8 from fbmines@gmail.com --- bug replaced by a bug report specific to the wine error (winsock error resolved),

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10:32 p.m.

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fbmines@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #9 from fbmines@gmail.com --- bug replaced by a new report specific to the unsolved error,

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25 Jan 25 Jan

1:04 a.m.

New subject: [Bug 50533] Microsoft Money 3.0 (16-bit app) crashes on startup

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50533

Anastasius Focht focht@gmx.net changed:

--- Comment #10 from Anastasius Focht focht@gmx.net --- Hello fbmines,

please make sure you've read and understood the Wine bug reporting guidelines next time you report a bug.

https://wiki.winehq.org/Bugs

--- quote --- You tested with a clean Wine directory (default location: "~/.wine", z: drive -> / link exists, no DLL overrides). --- quote ---

vs.

--- quote --- winsock error has disappeared when removing some other Windows program than MsMoney, MsMoney still crash in Wine, i create a new bug report specific to this error, this bug report can be abandonned, --- quote ---

Don't install multiple applications in the same WINEPREFIX unless you know the implications. Bug reports from "shared" software installations will be usually treated as INVALID.

--- quote --- MSMoney3 run once --- quote ---

MSMoney3 = Microsoft Money 3.0 from 1994 (16-bit app)?

https://archive.org/download/microsoft_money/ms_money.zip

2x1.44 MB floppy disk release

That's a pretty ancient piece of software. Running that with Wine would be more of an academic exercise rather than for practical reasons.

Coming back to your bug reports... Please spend more time on research before creating bug report after bug report and abandon them shortly thereafter. Having a bunch of bug reports with rather confusing information is not very appealing to others. They might get ignored in the end which is probably not what you want.

If this is really Microsoft Money 3.0 then retest with most recent Wine version, preferably Wine 6.0 and provide exact information on the behaviour.

* install in clean (new!) WINEPREFIX * run the application 'MSMONEY.EXE'? * report back if whatever problem persists * make sure to attach full console output, crash backtrace etc. and describe exactly how to reproduce

$ sha1sum ms_money.zip 4501d74a12c1fffadf010113aceef6db216396bb ms_money.zip

$ du -sh ms_money.zip 2.0M ms_money.zip

Regards

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2:07 a.m.

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--- Comment #11 from fbmines@gmail.com --- Hi, Thanks for your detailed response.

I thought I was in line with the reporting guidelines when I tried to close the report which exposed 2 problems (winsock and Wine unhandled exception) to create a new one with only the remaining bug ("Each bug report should cover one problem").

Msmoney 3.0 is effectively an "ancient piece of software". "Running that with Wine would be more of an academic exercise rather than for practical reasons": believe it, nothing as practical and simple has been produced so far, MsMoney following upgrades up to MsMoney Sunset were less powerful than 3.0. It had resisted most of the Windows upgrades including Windows7, I had to move to Wine under Ubuntu 12.04 in 2012 then upgrade to 18.04 and except some minor difficulties it worked correctly. Upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 and Wine 5.0 last month did result in the current difficulty. And isn't it Wine reason for living to able Windows programs without regression (unlike Microsoft)?

"Please spend more time on research before creating bug report after bug report ..." : I really spent a lot of time trying to decrypt documentations, support procedures, explanations and comments in multiple sites, but nothing helpful or understandable. "...and abandon them shortly thereafter": see the 1st & of this message.

Your recommendations: I will do my best to follow all the steps you listed (install Wine 6.0 in a clean environment) though moving from 3.0 to 5.0 was not successful.

I don't understand the end of you message with the zip files.

Thanks again for your time to respond. Regards,

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9:08 p.m.

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--- Comment #12 from fbmines@gmail.com --- Hi, This bug report could be closed now, what do you think ? Would it be better to post me support request to the community ? Best,

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10:25 p.m.

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Anastasius Focht focht@gmx.net changed:

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--- Comment #13 from Anastasius Focht focht@gmx.net --- Hello fbmines,

--- quote --- This bug report could be closed now, what do you think ? Would it be better to post me support request to the community ? --- quote ---

which community? I doubt there are that much people out there who are interested in getting ancient win16 apps to run with Wine. Even then, only a tiny fraction from these likely possess the knowledge and experience to triage/debug problems related to win16 brain damage.

Your best bet is Wine Bugzilla = here and wine-devel mailing list (https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/).

--- quote --- I don't understand the end of you message with the zip files. --- quote ---

The information at the end of my comments is for documentation. It usually contains a hash/checksum of the archive, the archive size and the Wine version used for testing. Sometimes I post a new stable download link as well and put it into 'URL' field of the bug.

I've searched the Internet for a download of the application to be able to reproduce your problems. Those things are very hard to find. Fortunately Internet Archive / Wayback machine exists: archive.org . One of the few places left to dig out old versions of software and research (now defunct) websites. A gigantic digital library and graveyard.

A recent example some older folks might remember: https://tucows.com/retired/

--- quote --- MsMoney following upgrades up to MsMoney Sunset were less powerful than 3.0. It had resisted most of the Windows upgrades including Windows7, I had to move to Wine under Ubuntu 12.04 in 2012 then upgrade to 18.04 and except some minor difficulties it worked correctly. Upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 and Wine 5.0 last month did result in the current difficulty. And isn't it Wine reason for living to able Windows programs without regression (unlike Microsoft)? --- quote ---

Ok, that's something to work on. If I understand you correctly, MS Money 3.0 already worked with older versions of Wine and after upgrade to Wine 5.0 it broke? That would be a regression worth to investigate. Do you remember which Wine version worked well with MS Monkey 3.0?

Regards

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16 Feb 16 Feb

2:19 p.m.

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--- Comment #14 from fbmines@gmail.com --- Hi, still struggling with Wine.

Reinstalled Ubuntu 20.04 on clean partition,then followed the procedure of "Installing WineHQ packages", the 2 depositories seem correctly set up: https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ focal main https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ focal main (Source Code)

but then:

f6008@mtl:~$ sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package winehq-stable

Thanks for help,

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2:25 p.m.

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--- Comment #15 from fbmines@gmail.com --- please ignore the previous comment, I missed the step of installing the repository key, sorry,

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13 Mar 13 Mar

6:34 p.m.

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--- Comment #16 from fbmines@gmail.com --- update: partitions formatted and reorganized, Ubuntu 20.04 and Wine 6.0 reinstalled, all clean and clear, MSMoney 3.0 works correctly under this environment, only one crash in multiple run, so far it is acceptable, thanks to those who helped,

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