[Bug 17776] New: Installing on Fat32 partitions seems to be impossible nowadays

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17776

Summary: Installing on Fat32 partitions seems to be impossible
                    nowadays
           Product: Wine
           Version: 1.1.17
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: msi
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

recently (for about 20 or so versions), I haven't been able to install programs
on FAT32 partitions anymore. I still use these on quite a few occasions and
dislike having to install them onto my /home partition or whatever.
Installation starts fine, but bugs out with an error about not being permitted
to write there.

games include but are not limited to: anno 1503, civ4, titan quest

[Bug 17776] Installing on Fat32 partitions seems to be impossible nowadays

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--- Comment #1 from Vitaliy Margolen   2009-03-17 20:48:38 ---
Terminal output? If this worked before, please do a regression testing.

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--- Comment #2 from Austin English   2009-03-22 12:15:57 ---
Are you trying to change your c drive to a fat32 partition? Or is the drive
mounted somewhere and you're trying to install to that drive?

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--- Comment #3 from Richard Hendrikse   2009-03-31 12:54:36 ---
it's the latter, I'm trying to install a program to another partition, which
just happens to be a FAT32 partition.

Hmmm, I thought it'd always be failing, but The Longest Journey, at least, got
through the first disc.

All recent games (last ~5 and more years) fail to install, however. A good
example is "Civilization 4". If I attempt to install it, I get a "Feature
Transfer Error".
DefaultFeature/ file is binkw32.dll
and the error message is: "Access denied". The file itself, however, was
completely copied as well as the file "Readme.htm" and the date shown is in
october 2005 for both.

the standard terminal-output is:
fixme:storage:StgCreateDocfile Storage share mode not implemented.
fixme:reg:GetNativeSystemInfo (0x330db4) using GetSystemInfo()
fixme:richedit:ME_HandleMessage WM_STYLECHANGING: stub
fixme:richedit:ME_HandleMessage WM_STYLECHANGED: stub
err:richedit:ReadStyleSheet ReadStyleSheet: skipping optional destination
err:richedit:ReadStyleSheet ReadStyleSheet: skipping optional destination
err:richedit:ReadStyleSheet ReadStyleSheet: skipping optional destination
fixme:richedit:ME_HandleMessage WM_STYLECHANGING: stub
fixme:richedit:ME_HandleMessage WM_STYLECHANGED: stub
fixme:shell:IShellLinkA_fnGetPath (0x1c77c00): WIN32_FIND_DATA is not yet
filled.
fixme:shell:IShellLinkA_fnGetPath (0x1c77c00): WIN32_FIND_DATA is not yet
filled.
fixme:shell:IShellLinkA_fnGetPath (0x1c77928): WIN32_FIND_DATA is not yet
filled.
fixme:shell:IShellLinkA_fnGetPath (0x1c77928): WIN32_FIND_DATA is not yet
filled.
err:ole:dispatch_rpc no apartment found for ipid
{ffffffff-ffff-ffff-1b00-000018000000}
err:rpc:I_RpcReceive we got fault packet with status 0x80010108
err:ole:dispatch_rpc no apartment found for ipid
{ffffffff-ffff-ffff-1b00-000018000000}
err:rpc:I_RpcReceive we got fault packet with status 0x80010108
fixme:shell:DllCanUnloadNow stub
fixme:shell:DllCanUnloadNow stub
fixme:shell:DllCanUnloadNow stub

I'm uncertain about what to do next, since a WINEDEBUG=+all kinda generates too
much information and makes stuff not work.

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--- Comment #4 from Jeff Zaroyko   2009-03-31 18:03:24 ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> it's the latter, I'm trying to install a program to another partition, which
> just happens to be a FAT32 partition.
>
> I'm uncertain about what to do next, since a WINEDEBUG=+all kinda generates too
> much information and makes stuff not work.

If you think Wine is to blame, find the last known version of Wine that
successfully installs your programs to fat32 then run a regression test. 
http://wiki.winehq.org/RegressionTesting

[Bug 17776] Installing on Fat32 partitions seems to be impossible nowadays

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--- Comment #5 from Richard Hendrikse   2009-04-06 14:26:15 ---
Actually, I don't think those wine versions still build, if there are any. The
point is, that on windows, Games install fine to FAT32 partitions. Also, there
are plenty of older games that *should* install fine to FAT32 (one example is
The Longest Journey. I'll try to install other games as well).
On WINE, the newer installers don't seem to work with WINE. I wonder if this is
due to failing timeschmod, or rather something else.

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--- Comment #6 from Austin English   2009-04-06 16:25:04 ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> Actually, I don't think those wine versions still build, if there are any.

http://wiki.winehq.org/ReverseRegressionTesting

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--- Comment #7 from Ben Anderson   2009-05-06 14:28:34 ---
*** Bug 18359 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #8 from Ben Anderson   2009-05-06 19:41:41 ---
Twelve Sky (http://12-sky.aeriagames.com/) exhibits this problem.

Based on a discussion in freenode #winehq, I'm now fairly confident that this
is NOT a regression in Wine, but a regression in the Linux kernel FAT support.
It looks like a regression in Wine because with an earlier Wine in an earlier
kernel it worked, but not now. As early as 1.1.5 are showing this bug. Easy
test -- what kernel were you running when it worked? Try using 1.1.20 under
that kernel, see what happens.

Specfically -- and this is a guess -- I think stat() is returning different
values for files not yet committed to disk. IShield sees this, and assumes it's
being silently denied access to certain features when in fact what it wanted
actually happened, it's just being hidden due to this bug. A workaround would
be to sync() before stat() calls, but that will have a SEVERE impact on
performance.

I'm gonna try NTFS via NTFS-3G, see if it happens there. If not, I'm switching.

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--- Comment #9 from Ben Anderson   2009-05-06 20:37:58 ---
It breaks on NTFS-3G, but in a slightly different way that's relevant. On an
NTFS volume, even if the running user has the appropriate permissions, the
files are never created. You get the access denied error and nothing is made.
Compare to Linux FAT module, where the file shows up but errors happen.

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--- Comment #10 from Richard Hendrikse   2009-05-07 13:23:54 ---
well, yeah, it's been around for a while. iirc, Civilization 4 has been failing
to install AFTER copying 1 or more files, stating that it's access was denied,
since as early as wine-0.9.40. This is why I haven't shown very much
inclination towards performing a regression test...

And your expanation would also tell us why older games might succeed in
installing; simply because their installer-versions didn't perform all these
checks yet...

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--- Comment #11 from Austin English   2009-11-19 12:53:11 ---
This is your friendly reminder that there has been no bug activity for 6
months. Is this still an issue in current (1.1.33 or newer) wine?

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--- Comment #12 from Ben Anderson   2009-11-24 22:55:49 ---
Confirmed still present in 1.1.33 with 12 Sky on NTFS-3G.

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--- Comment #13 from Ben Peddell   2009-12-19 11:30:37 ---
(In reply to comment #12)
> Confirmed still present in 1.1.33 with 12 Sky on NTFS-3G.

Does the error occur when the user running wine is set as the owner of the
filesystem using the uid=<uid> option to the mount?

If the error still occurs, then the program is probably re-reading the
permissions, and reporting failure when they don't match.

Under Windows, when a filesystem is incapable of storing or retrieving security
descriptors, it returns STATUS_INVALID_DEVICE_REQUEST.  Making Wine do the same
when the underlying filesystem is incapable of storing the file mode (e.g. vfat
or non-advanced ntfs-3g) should fix this bug.

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--- Comment #14 from Ben Anderson   2009-12-19 14:05:38 ---
You found something. If I mount my NTFS partition like this:

mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=100 /dev/sda4 /mnt/local

Then 12 Sky installs successfully. So at least, we have a workaround.

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--- Comment #15 from Austin English  2010-12-23 18:28:15 CST ---
This is your friendly reminder  that there has been no bug activity for a year.
Is this still an issue in current (1.3.9 or newer) wine?

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--- Comment #16 from joaopa  2011-04-24 19:14:27 CDT ---
No answer in 1 year an dhalf. This  bug could be closed as ABANDONED.

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--- Comment #17 from joaopa  2011-04-24 19:16:23 CDT ---
No answer in 1 year an dhalf. This  bug could be closed as ABANDONED.

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--- Comment #18 from Austin English  2011-04-25 10:42:31 CDT ---
Abandoned.

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--- Comment #19 from Austin English  2011-04-25 10:53:11 CDT ---
Closing.

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--- Comment #20 from TesX  2013-06-20 06:22:04 CDT ---
Please reopen this bug...
It's still there with Wine 1.5+

<quote>
Specfically -- and this is a guess -- I think stat() is returning different
values for files not yet committed to disk. IShield sees this, and assumes it's
being silently denied access to certain features when in fact what it wanted
actually happened, it's just being hidden due to this bug.
</quote>

The solution then should be (IMHO) to implement a wrapper for the equivalent of
stat() in Windows that takes into account these differences and returns what
Windows' apps expect to get...

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--- Comment #21 from Austin English  2013-06-20 16:45:13 CDT ---
(In reply to comment #20)
> Please reopen this bug...
> It's still there with Wine 1.5+
>
> <quote>
> Specfically -- and this is a guess -- I think stat() is returning different
> values for files not yet committed to disk. IShield sees this, and assumes it's
> being silently denied access to certain features when in fact what it wanted
> actually happened, it's just being hidden due to this bug.
> </quote>
>
> The solution then should be (IMHO) to implement a wrapper for the equivalent of
> stat() in Windows that takes into account these differences and returns what
> Windows' apps expect to get...

Please file a new bug (and include an example application that installs on ext4
but not fat32, preferably something that others can download).