[Bug 10707] New: Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

Summary: Wine freezes X
           Product: Wine
           Version: 20050930
          Platform: PC-x86-64
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: wine-binary
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

When trying to launch anything from wine (wine, wine notepad, winecfg) the
system freezes up. I asked for help, who could connect using ssh
(openssh-server) but as soon as i would run any part of wine it would freeze,
including ssh. The same goes for if he runs any part of wine. After about 15-20
seconds it will reboot, acting like nothing had happened.

However, when running it in console, i noticed wine spitting some stuff about
sound cards. I have two sounds card, one on my motherboard, the other on a pci.
Both are configured to use OSS.

However, when i took my pci sound card out, it would run flawlessly.

My system specs:

AMD Athlon 3800+ X2 2ghz
2Gb DDR ram
Asus A8R-MVP
sounds card 1 is onboard on this motherboard
second sound card is a trust SC-5200.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

--- Comment #1 from Stefan Dösinger   2007-12-07 15:13:48 ---
If wine freezes your X server it is an X server bug, not a wine bug...

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

--- Comment #2 from HisChild   2007-12-07 15:16:53 ---

(In reply to comment #1)
> If wine freezes your X server it is an X server bug, not a wine bug...

If it was just X that froze, ssh would've continued to work. However, ssh froze
and new connections could not be made. Since this is just the case when wine is
run, this is a problem caused from wine.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Vitaliy Margolen   2007-12-07 15:20:48 ---
Invalid. Not Wine bug. Mostlikely bad/improperly installed video drivers.
Unless of course you running Wine as root. This nothing we can do there either.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Vitaliy Margolen   2007-12-07 15:21:48 ---
By definition Wine is a 100% user land app. If it "freezes" your whole PC -
look elsewhere.

Closing invalid.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

HisChild  changed:

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            Version|unspecified                 |20050930

--- Comment #5 from HisChild   2007-12-07 15:23:15 ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> Invalid. Not Wine bug. Mostlikely bad/improperly installed video drivers.
> Unless of course you running Wine as root. This nothing we can do there either.

My videodrivers are installed fine. I can use D3D in any application with
perfect fps.

Also, did you read that removing a soundcard helped and fixed it? Doesn't this
give you a hint that it isn't the videodrivers?

Why is this NOT a wine problem when it ONLY happens with wine?

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

--- Comment #6 from Stefan Dösinger   2007-12-07 15:25:54 ---
then it is invalid installed soundcard drivers.

Wine is an application that runs in user mode. A user mode application MUST NOT
be able to crash your system, even if it deliberately tries to do it.
Otherwise, any malware could crash your system. So it is a kernel bug, or a
driver bug.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

--- Comment #7 from Vitaliy Margolen   2007-12-07 15:26:57 ---
Stefan would you bother to check if ANYTHING got changed after you hit submit
button?

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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         Resolution|                            |INVALID
            Version|20050930                    |unspecified

--- Comment #8 from Vitaliy Margolen   2007-12-07 15:27:55 ---
Bleh

NO
THIS IS INVALID BUG DO NOT REOPEN!

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Vitaliy Margolen   2007-12-07 15:28:31 ---
Closed INVALID DO NOT REOPEN!

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

--- Comment #10 from Stefan Dösinger   2007-12-07 15:29:32 ---
Vitaliy: Sorry, I am used to getting a mid-air warning if something changed
while I was typing. It didn't happen this time for some reason. Race condition
in bugzilla?

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http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

HisChild  changed:

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--- Comment #11 from HisChild   2007-12-07 15:30:23 ---
> Bleh
>
> NO
> THIS IS INVALID BUG DO NOT REOPEN!

first off, would you mind not shouting.

Also, don't you think triple posting is a bit useless?

And it still is caused by wine. If i disable EITHER ONE of my sound cards it
runs. with BOTH in, it crashes. Doesn't this give you a HINT that it isn't
caused by sound drivers? also, i can just use both sound cards at the same time
in any other prog.

But fine, be ignorant if you wish.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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          Component|wine-binary                 |wine-misc
            Version|20050930                    |unspecified

--- Comment #12 from Vitaliy Margolen   2007-12-07 15:38:50 ---
What is your Wine version? Why are you trying to reset it to something that is
2+ years old?

And again you should be filing bug with your distro/alsa/kernel. Wine is a user
space app. If it can "freeze" your PC so any other app could. "Fixing" Wine
would be avoiding the actual problem.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

--- Comment #13 from Stefan Dösinger   2007-12-07 15:41:50 ---
I'm sorry, but a user mode application must not be able to crash your system.
This is how modern operating systems are defined. No matter what evil thing the
app does, either maliciously or accidentally, the kernel must protect you from
harm. If it does not, the kernel is broken.

Get any good book about operating system that discusses topics like security,
multi-user systems, resource quotas and similar things. They will all confirm
what I said.

Even if Wine is the old application on earth that crashes your system: If the
system crashes, and you are not running Wine as root, it is a bug in your
kernel, not wine.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

--- Comment #14 from HisChild   2007-12-07 15:44:17 ---
(In reply to comment #13)
> I'm sorry, but a user mode application must not be able to crash your system.
> This is how modern operating systems are defined. No matter what evil thing the
> app does, either maliciously or accidentally, the kernel must protect you from
> harm. If it does not, the kernel is broken.
>
> Get any good book about operating system that discusses topics like security,
> multi-user systems, resource quotas and similar things. They will all confirm
> what I said.
>
> Even if Wine is the old application on earth that crashes your system: If the
> system crashes, and you are not running Wine as root, it is a bug in your
> kernel, not wine.

I'm not using a 2 year old version, i'm running the newest version -,-

but i give up. I understand what you're trying to say, but you should know just
as well as i do that there are always exceptions to the rule that an app can't
crash a system.

Anyway, go ahead, delete me, this bug or anything else. If you're unable to
read what i'm typing then i can't be arsed to even try to file bug reports.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

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--- Comment #15 from Julian W.   2007-12-07 18:19:29 ---
Is there a dialog with the developers of the related stuff?
You are right, that is not a problem with wine, but one that often occurs.
So is there a dialog between wine-developers(knowing there real issue more
detailed than most users) and the other projects? Seems desirable.

[Bug 10707] Wine freezes X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707

--- Comment #16 from Austin English   2007-12-07 18:28:06 ---
wine is merely exposing the bug, not the source of the bug. The bug could be in
X, your drivers, your kernel, ALSA, etc. The best recourse would be to file a
bug in your distribution, who are more likely to know the best place to file
this issue.