[Bug 34473] New: Launch animation for the Dock

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34473

Bug #: 34473
           Summary: Launch animation for the Dock
           Product: Wine
           Version: 1.7.1
          Platform: x86-64
        OS/Version: Mac OS X
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P2
         Component: winemac.drv
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]
    Classification: Unclassified

It would be nice to have animated application launches for windows programs.
(Just like xquartz based applications [at least Wineskin Wrappers].)

[Bug 34473] Launch animation for the Dock

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34473

Ken Thomases  changed:

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         Resolution|                            |WONTFIX

--- Comment #1 from Ken Thomases  2013-09-08 14:21:51 CDT ---
I assume you mean that it bounces in the Dock.

Wine doesn't really have control over that.

As you note, Wineskin is based on XQuartz. It serves as the X server. From the
time it is launched, it is expected that it will have a presence in the Mac
GUI. So, the process starts life as a GUI application. That's what causes it to
bounce in the Dock.

By contrast, all Wine processes start as background processes. Not all of them
load the Mac driver. Even of the ones that do load the Mac driver, not all will
show a window and therefore appear in the Dock. So, many Wine processes never
appear in the Dock. Those that do show a window transform themselves into
foreground GUI applications but, since they were already running at the time,
the Dock does not show the bounce animation.

The only way we could cause the bounce of the Dock icon would be for every Wine
process to start life as a GUI process, even if it were never going to show a
window. That would not be desirable.

[Bug 34473] Launch animation for the Dock

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34473

Rastafabi  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Rastafabi  2013-09-08 17:05:48 CDT ---
I see the point, but still as most people in the OS X world mainly (I think)
use wine bottle wise (Wineskin), for the purpose of running gui-applications
and/or games some optical feedback (as it can take up to 30s on aging hardware
for a game's window to come up) would be great. To my mind it should even be
the default option, with an off-toggle setting for those running non-gui
applications.

Did I get you right that those apps for instance are things like bonjour etc.?
(e.g. needed when running Shairport4w.exe [it's free])

To me it would be far more useful to have them unnecessarily bound in the Dock
until launched, than not having the programs I mainly use not being shown upon
launch.
That's the OS X style since I can remember (I always got pretty annoyed having
accidentally launched 3 instances of the same program on XP just because it
didn't gave feedback.)

Though I got your point I really would appreciate if you would rethink your
answer.

[Bug 34473] Launch animation for the Dock

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34473

Ken Thomases  changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Ken Thomases  2013-09-08 17:37:04 CDT ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> I see the point, but still as most people in the OS X world mainly (I think)
> use wine bottle wise (Wineskin), for the purpose of running gui-applications
> and/or games some optical feedback (as it can take up to 30s on aging hardware
> for a game's window to come up) would be great.

If most people are running Wine using a wrapper bundle like Wineskin, then they
already get visual feedback.
> To my mind it should even be
> the default option, with an off-toggle setting for those running non-gui
> applications.

There's no ability to toggle it. Mac OS X shows a bouncing Dock icon for apps
which are bundled and which don't have LSUIElement or LSBackgroundOnly set in
their Info.plist files. It doesn't for any other. We have no other control. It
can't be dynamic. The decision is made before any of our code is run.
> Did I get you right that those apps for instance are things like bonjour etc.?
> (e.g. needed when running Shairport4w.exe [it's free])

Huh? Are you trying to cite an example of a program that doesn't open any
windows? No, that's not particularly what I meant (although something like
cmd.exe does count for that, for example).

Any time you run a program under Wine, there are several processes that run
automatically. Things like services.exe, winedevice.exe, plugplay.exe, and
explorer.exe. Plus, whatever program you run may utilize multiple processes,
some of which are intended to remain invisible.

If we were to take your suggestion, then running any program would result in at
least five and maybe more Dock icons showing up, most of them with no sensible
icon. (And, unfortunately, they can't be distinguished by title either, since
they'll all have a title of "wine".)
> To me it would be far more useful to have them unnecessarily bound in the Dock
> until launched, than not having the programs I mainly use not being shown upon
> launch.
> That's the OS X style since I can remember (I always got pretty annoyed having
> accidentally launched 3 instances of the same program on XP just because it
> didn't gave feedback.)

I understand that it can be disconcerting to get no immediate feedback when you
run a program in Wine. (Although it seems one would typically either use a
wrapper like Wineskin or be working at the command line where it's normal to
assume your command is running until the shell gives a new prompt.)
Unfortunately, I just don't see any way to give you the feedback you want
without making things much worse.

(I'll also point out that any such solution would not be strictly in the
province of the Mac driver. The delay you find disconcerting is, in part,
exactly the time before the Mac driver has even been loaded by Wine. The only
way to have immediate feedback would be to wrap the Wine loader in an app
bundle.)

[Bug 34473] Launch animation for the Dock

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34473

Rastafabi  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Rastafabi  2013-09-08 18:03:39 CDT ---
> […]
> There's no ability to toggle it. Mac OS X shows a bouncing Dock icon for apps
> which are bundled and which don't have LSUIElement or LSBackgroundOnly set in
> their Info.plist files. It doesn't for any other. We have no other control. It
> can't be dynamic. The decision is made before any of our code is run.

Thanks for the clarification! So it's actually a Wineskin issue that bothers me
(it does not bounce, it just comes up as soon as a window is present. - Will
consult the Wineskin forum.)

Sorry. I though it's a wine issue.
> […]
> > Did I get you right that those apps for instance are things like bonjour etc.?
> > (e.g. needed when running Shairport4w.exe [it's free])
>
> Huh? Are you trying to cite an example of a program that doesn't open any
> windows? No, that's not particularly what I meant (although something like
> cmd.exe does count for that, for example).

Yep. It was an example. Just to prove wether I got it.
> […]

It was a very helpful explanation. Thank you very much.