[Bug 23532] New: wine needs an xlive.dll implementation

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23532

Summary: wine needs an xlive.dll implementation
           Product: Wine
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: x86
               URL: http://www.microsoft.com/games/en-us/live/Pages/livela
                    unch.aspx
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P2
         Component: -unknown
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

Not a huge priority, of course...I'll stub it after 1.2.

Needed for several games, e.g., Fallout 3.

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--- Comment #1 from Dan Kegel   2010-07-05 20:09:49 ---
I wonder if Xliveless 
( see e.g. 
http://www.gtamodding.com/index.php?title=XLiveLess )
will be of any help here.  It comes with source code,
and is licensed liberally enough, but it would need 
sanitizing, and I suspect starting from scratch would
be almost as easy.

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--- Comment #2 from Austin English  2010-10-28 02:02:16 CDT ---
Created an attachment (id=31566)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=31566)
stub xlive

This works well enough for Fallout 3. Please give it a testing on your games,
and post any needed stubs in this bug. I'm not going to send this end until I
clean it up a bit more, and after 1.3.6 is released, since I anticipate it
breaking a few games. I'd rather break git, where it's easily fixed, then break
games for 2 weeks for users...

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--- Comment #3 from Austin English  2010-10-30 04:01:15 CDT ---
(From update of attachment 31566)
broken, ignore

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who provided the following reason:

Contains private email

The token used to delete this attachment was generated at 2010-10-30 04:40:28
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--- Comment #5 from Xavier Vachon  2011-11-22 15:47:08 CST ---
Still not implemented in git. Is this still a project planned to be
implemented?

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--- Comment #6 from [e-mail] 2012-08-20 08:54:25 CDT ---
i'm working on it in my wine repo https://github.com/tizbac/wine/tree/work ,
still there's a big lack of docs for the PC specific part ( i've found docs and
strucutures of 80% of the API from xbox 360 sdk on torrent site )

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--- Comment #7 from [e-mail] 2013-02-17 05:41:09 CST ---
I have taken the sources of gtas xliveless titzbac and investigateed on some
missing functions to let most of the games at least start and work for 5
minutes see the post on batman steam for download location

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*** Bug 36042 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #9 from Anastasius Focht  ---
Hello folks,

refining summary to collect dupes here.

Regards

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--- Comment #10 from [e-mail] ---
Needs

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28768

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*** Bug 28768 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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*** Bug 37641 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #13 from [e-mail] ---
This bug is easily fixable for fallout 3, just use the fallout script extender
(something you would need if you use mods anyways), it automatically bypasses
Games For Windows Live in its entirety on fallout 3.

It comes with its own launcher, the game worked fine for me using this and as i
said you need it for most of the more complex mods for the game.

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--- Comment #14 from Adam Bolte  ---
Confirming that a clean 1.7.52 32-bit wine prefix with BulletStorm does not
function correctly.

On start-up I can enter valid Xbox Live login credentials (which are accepted)
and then I'm prompted for a CD key (which Steam provides via a pop-up).
Entering the CD key causes GFWL to throw an error about having an incompatible
network adapter, and the sign-in process fails (which appears required to play
the game).

I tried updating GFWL to the latest version and trying again, but that only
seemed to make things worse - the game wouldn't start again until I clicked
"Verify Integrity of Game Cache" in Steam.

Replacing xlive.dll with a version of XLiveLess as per the AppDB entry
instructions satisfied the requirement to get the game running.

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--- Comment #15 from mirh  ---
I don't get it. 
Why xlive.dll requires a specific wine implementation? Isn't it installed with
xLiveRedist that comes along GFWL client?

And couldn't it be you are focusing on the wrong versions too?

I mean.. there are all those old ones bundled in games (famous to crash on
newer Windows too), 3.5.88.0 (*1, bundled with the last offline "Client", which
still requires an update to work 100%), 3.5.92.0 (*2, downloaded by online
installer) and 3.5.95.0 (*3, which you are asked to install once you try to log
in game).

If any, I'd suppose there's just some unimplemented function in one of the API
this dll relies on.

*1 https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=5549
*2
http://download.gfwl.xboxlive.com/content/gfwl-public/redists/production/xli...
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=194359
*3 https://youtu.be/B0QoB1G23vg (I have no games in the VM with wireshark, so..
 I guess this is better than nothing)

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--- Comment #16 from BieHDC  ---
Since Grand Theft Auto 4 got an update a while ago, making the multiplayer
working again, this topic should get attention again as xliveless removes the
online functionality.

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--- Comment #17 from Alex Henrie  ---
This bug is invalid. xlive.dll does not come with Windows, so either the user
has to install Games for Windows Live or the game has to install it.

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--- Comment #18 from Austin English  ---
We've shipped runtimes before that windows doesn't..

That said, no one is likely to work on it anyway, but I disagree it's invalid.

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--- Comment #19 from Alex Henrie  ---
I thought Wine only implemented extra DLLs if it's impossible to download and
install the official DLL on Wine. Wouldn't that exclude xlive.dll?

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--- Comment #20 from Austin English  ---
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> I thought Wine only implemented extra DLLs if it's impossible to download
> and install the official DLL on Wine. Wouldn't that exclude xlive.dll?

The msvc dlls were added before they were bundled with Windows.

Don't get me wrong, xlive would be very difficult, so I'm not completely
opposed to closing, just want to make clear it's not a set policy.

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--- Comment #21 from Rosanne DiMesio  ---
Rather than marking this invalid, maybe the importance should simply be set to
enhancement.

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--- Comment #22 from Zebediah Figura  ---
(In reply to Rosanne DiMesio from comment #21)
> Rather than marking this invalid, maybe the importance should simply be set
> to enhancement.

I think the importance was already set to enhancement. It's simply a question
of whether the DLL is within Wine's scope or not.

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                   |unch.aspx                   |for-windows-live-info
            Summary|Multiple games need         |Provide offline
                   |xlive.dll implementation    |implementation of Games For
                   |(Fallout 3, Batman, GTA IV) |Windows Live (GFWL)
                   |                            |'xlive.dll' -> 'XLiveless'
                   |                            |(Fallout 3, Batman, GTA IV)
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED

--- Comment #23 from Anastasius Focht  ---
Hello folks,

it's definitely an external project, highly borderline so to say.
The original reason was that XLive didn't work in Wine and was kinda on the
verge of abandonment by Microsoft. Afaik XLive should work, so the original
reason is kinda moot.

The official pages are now hosted at Xbox Live support portal:

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/games/game-setup/games-for-windows-live-info

Download:

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=201134

-> Patches the games so that the old Games For Windows Live (GFWL) login is
upgraded so it now connects to the XBOX server which replaced it)

http://download.gfwl.xboxlive.com/content/gfwl-public/redists/production/xli...

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Coming back to the scope. There are also various other tickets in Wine Bugzilla
which have rather questionable scope:

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19816 (implement Visual Basic virtual
machine, P-Code support)

https://bugs.winehq.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=mfc&list_id=634476 (implement
all MFC versions)

...

These will likely stay forever until there is no more work left in important
areas of Wine ^^. So why not XLive(less).

There will be definitely no official integration in Wine the way XLiveless is
intended to be implemented -> offline integration/mode (IMHO TOS violation). So
this ticket could be used for status updates to external project (github etc.).

I've refined the ticket summary to reflect that.

Regards

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--- Comment #24 from mirh  ---
There's a lot of misinformation (by clueless users) on the net about gfwl. 
Its older versions being bugged on W10 basically gets handed down as "microsoft
shut it down". See here for all the actually updated files
://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Topic:Tqzf097s8dz1figh

Then, while I have no knowledge about wine "best practices" (I thought dlls
were reimplemented here, when some value could be added, like with OpenAl)..
for much as xlivelees still has its point in skipping needless drm, I don't see
why at all it should have something to do with wine.

It provides even *less* features than the "official" implementation, and it
doesn't even seem all that common library many people would appreciate.

If any, why not making this about whatever blocking issue there is now?
(or whatever, I don't remember the rationale for tracker bugs here)

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--- Comment #25 from Anastasius Focht  ---
Hello mirh,

--- quote ---
If any, why not making this about whatever blocking issue there is now?
(or whatever, I don't remember the rationale for tracker bugs here)
--- quote ---

unfortunately the ticket has been used for years as collector for a FOSS
implementation of XLive -> 'XLiveless' which didn't make sense to me from
start.

You can find many abandoned / archived XLiveLess projects on Github:

https://www.google.com/search?&q=XLiveless+github

Wine bugs related to the original Microsoft GFWL redistributables were always
present and have separate bug reports.

The ticket should have been resolved as 'WONTFIX' or 'INVALID'. It's not in the
scope of the Wine project. Don't waste time on this. You will regret it one day
when you get older.

Regards

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--- Comment #26 from mirh  ---
Yeah, right. 
I guess GFWL "out of the box" adventures can continue in bug 50611.

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