[Bug 12653] New: The Sims crashes on startup

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Summary: The Sims crashes on startup
           Product: Wine
           Version: 0.9.59.
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: kernel32
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

Created an attachment (id=12299)
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The Sims backtrace when running in Win 98 mode (game designed for)

The game "The Sims" (v.1) crashes on startup and does not run. Oddly, when
running Wine in Win 95 or 98 mode (which is what the game is designed for), I
get a number of error messages asking to set Wine to NT4.0 or 3.1 (see log:
sims98.txt). These do not appear when I run in NT4.0 (see log: simsnt4.txt) or
in XP mode (sims.txt).

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Sims backtrace running in NT4 mode (as asked for when run in Win 98)

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--- Comment #2 from Chris Wales   2008-04-19 11:04:10 ---
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Sims backtrace running in XP mode (for comparison)

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--- Comment #3 from Luke Bratch   2008-04-19 11:42:52 ---
This game uses SafeDisc, so this a dupe of bug 219.

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Sims backtrace when using a no-cd patch, Win 98 mode

I tried also running it with a no-cd patch; different set of complaints and the
screen does go black briefly as if the game is about to start; however it still
crashes and produces the backtrace attached (simsnocd.txt)

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Sims Backtrace when running in WinXP mode

Backtrace running The Sims 1 (boxed version (1.0?)) on wine-1.0-rc1 on Ubuntu
Hardy x86_64

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*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***

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The Sims console output (winXP)

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--- Comment #8 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-06 06:36:20 ---
According to my research on Safedisc the following will assist in proper
execution of SafeDisc programs:

Programs, libraries, and modules should be able to write to themselves unless
explicitly said otherwise.  This "default off" self-protection is an unusual,
and possibly dangerous "standard" in Windows, but must be done to follow
(unwritten) standard.

Additionally, they should be able to create overlapping pages.   This is
another unusual behavior that Windows permits.

To allow both these functions Wine would have to be compiled with certain
modules explicitly not using libMudFlap nor libSafe if installed, and
explicitly modified to deactivate checks on programs attacking themselves.

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--- Comment #9 from Dmitry Timoshkov   2008-10-06 07:25:50 ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> According to my research on Safedisc the following will assist in proper
> execution of SafeDisc programs: 
> Programs, libraries, and modules should be able to write to themselves unless
> explicitly said otherwise.  This "default off" self-protection is an unusual,
> and possibly dangerous "standard" in Windows, but must be done to follow
> (unwritten) standard.

That's not true.
> Additionally, they should be able to create overlapping pages.   This is
> another unusual behavior that Windows permits.
> To allow both these functions Wine would have to be compiled with certain
> modules explicitly not using libMudFlap nor libSafe if installed, and
> explicitly modified to deactivate checks on programs attacking themselves.

Before suggesting the solutions please provide the test cases (preferably
integrated into Wine test suite) confirming the above claims.

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--- Comment #10 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-10 06:54:10 ---
(In reply to comment #9)
> Before suggesting the solutions please provide the test cases (preferably
> integrated into Wine test suite) confirming the above claims.

OK, I made a presumption that you were reading the console outputs and checking
my statements there.

Here is where I see it from http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=15756:
--Snip--
Unhandled exception: page fault on write access to 0x0043f69c in 32-bit code
(0x00143440).
--Snip--
=>1 0x00143440 (0x00017e2c)
0x00143440: andb        %dh,0x0(%esp,%edx,1)
--Snip--
This command will and the %dh with the item and the 32bit Stack Pointer added
to the 32bit data pointer, which results in the address of 0x0043f69c, it will
then place it there at that same memory address (0x0043f69c).

It just happens, that this runs a cross-page exploit from a data-command write
to the stack pointer, directly into the executable segment of The Sims binary,
done by a kernel call from The Sims binary.  It was most likely intended to do
this.

The only part of my analysis that is presumption is that this is intentionally
done by the copy protection system to change an specific instruction or
constant in the Sims binary, which is a reasonable assumption as many copy
protection systems are known to do this.

Also, could you point me to where to get this wine test suite you speak of, it
would be helpful, as I could help trace where the exact code segment is that
needs to be changed, as not to create this crash when run in this manner.

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--- Comment #11 from Dmitry Timoshkov   2008-10-10 08:48:34 ---
Looks like a duplicate of the bug 9672.

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--- Comment #12 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-10 21:20:03 ---
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error log from The Sims: Complete Collection on Wine 1.1.5 for Ubuntu build.

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--- Comment #13 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-11 02:59:44 ---
(In reply to comment #11)
> Looks like a duplicate of the bug 9672.

Yes, That is a more specific bug, I was expressing that maybe the function
should be allowed.  This could be done by marking an executable to contain it's
stack like Windows does, and then blocking stack overflows with another method.
I was attempting to collaborate a little to try and see what other people
thought of my analysis.

Maybe we should mark it as the blocker, and find someone who's computer is
creating that crash.

Interestingly, I got a different bug on my wine (stock 1.1.5) I'm going to try
it with the newly released 1.1.6 stock, and then with git.

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--- Comment #14 from Dmitry Timoshkov   2008-10-11 03:41:02 ---
Have you tried the workaround provided in the comment #4 of the bug 9672?

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--- Comment #15 from Philipp Weissenbacher   2008-10-11 08:19:49 ---
Bug 9672 is most certainly a duplicate of this one.

Attaching error log with current stable (1.1.6) for Ubuntu 8.04.

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--- Comment #16 from Philipp Weissenbacher   2008-10-11 08:20:50 ---
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Error log for wine 1.1.6 and The Sims Super Deluxe XL

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--- Comment #17 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-11 10:34:01 ---
Created an attachment (id=16580)
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Sims Complete Collection with 1.1.6 stock Ubuntu Linux build (from Wine ubuntu
repository)

Obviously not the same crash.  I think there are multiple bugs here.

Stated duplicate bug is obviously a duplicate of one of the bugs subset in this
bug, should be a blocker.

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--- Comment #18 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-10-11 12:27:57 ---
(In reply to comment #16)
This is dup of bug 15551.

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--- Comment #19 from Austin English   2008-10-11 17:37:25 ---
Dupe

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 15551 ***

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Closing.

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--- Comment #21 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-11 21:32:12 ---
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Trace on NTDLL channel

trace on NTDLL channel as NTDLL was indicated as the launch segment for the
segfault.

Still read fault error, not the write fault error.

Seems there are multiple bugs.

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--- Comment #22 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-10-12 12:15:53 ---
Who said this bug was a duplicate? Reopening.

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--- Comment #23 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-12 18:18:43 ---
(In reply to comment #22)
> Who said this bug was a duplicate? Reopening.

The other one clearly is a blocker, however, should it be marked as such?

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--- Comment #24 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-13 19:39:36 ---
Created an attachment (id=16632)
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Trace on NTOSKRNL channel w/ Wine GIT~2008.10.12 on Ubuntu Linux 8.04

I obsoleted the NTDLL which includes the problem call to the kernel to the
kernel traces themselves.

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--- Comment #25 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-10-13 20:33:14 ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> Created an attachment (id=16632)

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> Trace on NTOSKRNL channel w/ Wine GIT~2008.10.12 on Ubuntu Linux 8.04

This crash is bug 15551 and not related to this one.

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--- Comment #26 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-10-13 20:34:03 ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> Created an attachment (id=16632)

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> Trace on NTOSKRNL channel w/ Wine GIT~2008.10.12 on Ubuntu Linux 8.04
>
> I obsoleted the NTDLL which includes the problem call to the kernel to the
> kernel traces themselves.

PLEASE READ what I said already before!!! Stop posting the same stuff over and
over again. The bug I pointed to is not fixed.

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Bug 12653 depends on bug 15551, which changed state.

Bug 15551 Summary: SafeDisc regression
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15551

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--- Comment #27 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-17 23:44:07 ---
(In reply to comment #26)
> (In reply to comment #24)
> > Created an attachment (id=16632)

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> > Trace on NTOSKRNL channel w/ Wine GIT~2008.10.12 on Ubuntu Linux 8.04
> >
> > I obsoleted the NTDLL which includes the problem call to the kernel to the
> > kernel traces themselves.
>
> PLEASE READ what I said already before!!! Stop posting the same stuff over and
> over again. The bug I pointed to is not fixed.

Those were both the same log.

Or can you not read.

Anyways, it's still a blocker when a new bug prevents us from fixing this bug. 
Anyways, There was a lot of regression in 1.1.6, and I'll wait for 1.1.7 to
work further.

I need to give 1.0.1 a try soon(In reply to comment #26)
> (In reply to comment #24)
> > Created an attachment (id=16632)

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> > Trace on NTOSKRNL channel w/ Wine GIT~2008.10.12 on Ubuntu Linux 8.04
> >
> > I obsoleted the NTDLL which includes the problem call to the kernel to the
> > kernel traces themselves.
>
> PLEASE READ what I said already before!!! Stop posting the same stuff over and
> over again. The bug I pointed to is not fixed.

Well, that is the current crash most people are getting, so until that bug is
resolved, then that is the current "crash on startup."  Could you be a little
easier going and take a look from my perspective.  I do not see this issue as
one problem.  It seems this program is hitting bug after bug.  I have seen no
fewer than 3 different crash causes now, all in the startup sequence.  I don't
think that it is unlikely that we are hitting multiple bugs.

Just because we that bug is causing the crash on 1.1.6 doesn't mean it's
causing the crash on 1.1.5 ior 1.0.1. So be a little more respectful, and don't
insult people's intelligence by claiming this bug has only one cause.

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--- Comment #28 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-10-19 17:00:12 ---
(In reply to comment #26)
I'm  sorry for blowing up on you like that.  Anyways, what I was trying to say,
was that the people from this bug should work on that bug, and know exactly
what part of that bug is interfering with this bug.   After all, that bug is
rather broad.

Anyways, they were two logs of the same run situation one NTDLL one NTOSKRNL. 
It's important to have records of logs when these two bugs occure, so we know
if a similar regression occures again, and we can get right no it.  I felt the
NTOSKRNL log was more accurate.  As a note, the 1.1.6 crashes on a different
error, as it doesn't have the regression.  This is why I obsolited the NTDLL
one.

Next time I post the log I will mark those logs obsolite so long as the new
logs appear different.

Again I'm sorry for letting my temper rule my wording.  It happens to all of us
at one time or another.

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--- Comment #29 from Vitaliy Margolen   2008-10-19 18:27:38 ---
(In reply to comment #28)
If you didn't notice bug 15551 is fixed. You can get the latest GIT and
continue on.

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--- Comment #30 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-11-22 03:20:40 ---
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> From this updated error output

There are sections that I think may need looking into by someone who knows more
about the regions of code:

FixMes in:
service and advapi

and then the Errs in
seh:raise_exception

I obsolited my old error logs because they were all before the kernel
regression was fixed.

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--- Comment #31 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2008-12-11 17:06:31 ---
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Standard Options log of Sims Complete Collection under Wine 1.1.10

Note issues with following API portions:
Services, AdvAPI

All related to adjusting permission.  Likely Wine is preventing anti-debugger
routines from running.  I'm not sure if this is part of SafeDisc or a secondary
protection program.

If someone needs a full trace, speak up.

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--- Comment #32 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2009-01-07 21:05:19 ---
OK, I did a little more research today, and depending on the version of your
binary the Sims uses various SafeDisc versions ranging from 1.4 (the orriginal
1.0 release) to 2.9 (Making Magic, Double Deluxe, Complete Collection, etc.)

I had suspected that there was such varience, and this may be causing problems
in the efforts to debug this software.

Due to this I will start attaching my Outside package title, outside package
ISBN#, Outside Package part#, region and disc 1 copyright date in the details
of any future output logs and AppDB entries I post, and recommend that other
people do the same.

BTW my version is Complete Collection ISBN# 0-7845-3856-5 Part# 1647411, US,
(C) 2005

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--- Comment #33 from Austin English   2009-07-08 15:05:24 ---
Is this still an issue in current (1.1.25 or newer) wine?

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--- Comment #34 from Chris Wales   2009-07-09 13:59:54 ---
Confirmed still present in Wine 1.1.25. I'm attaching a fresh console log

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Console log for The Sims

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--- Comment #36 from Johan Gill   2009-07-21 15:46:28 ---
Chris, which Sims release do you run?

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--- Comment #37 from Chris Wales   2009-07-21 16:00:53 ---
Just the vanilla version, straight out of the box... I'll run again in 1.1.26
now and report back shortly :)

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--- Comment #38 from Chris Wales   2009-07-21 16:18:15 ---
Yup, still present in 1.1.26 - console output looks the same, and I still get
the following complains if I attempt to run in Win98 mode:

fixme:vxd:VXD_Open Unknown/unsupported VxD L"sice.vxd". Try setting Windows
version to 'nt40' or 'win31'.                   
fixme:vxd:VXD_Open Unknown/unsupported VxD L"siwvid.vxd". Try setting Windows
version to 'nt40' or 'win31'.                 
fixme:vxd:VXD_Open Unknown/unsupported VxD L"ntice.vxd". Try setting Windows
version to 'nt40' or 'win31'.

Other than that, the errors generated from running as Win2000 or WinXP are the
same. I get the output shown in the topmost attachment above, and a dialog
saying "The program Sims.exe has encountered a serious problem and needs to
close."

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--- Comment #39 from Johan Gill   2009-07-21 17:26:13 ---
At the moment this bug is a bit non-focused. Could we settle for one version of
the sims to discuss here, and keep the other one in another bug? That way, when
the issue is solved for one version, that bug can be closed.

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--- Comment #40 from Chris Wales   2009-07-22 03:31:11 ---
I've modified the title - I think it was always meant to be about The Sims 1.0
(there are no mentions of The Sims 2 or The Sims 3 here; and Sims 1 is listed
an affected app). If we need more specific than that, let's focus on it as a
simple vanilla install of The Sims 1.0 - no patches, no expansion packs.

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--- Comment #41 from Johan Gill   2009-07-27 05:25:38 ---
Something goes wrong accessing the Secdrv device. To be continued...

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--- Comment #42 from Johan Gill   2009-07-27 05:28:07 ---
Looking at a relay trace, the Secdrv service is started, but "\.\Secdrv" is
still not found.

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--- Comment #43 from Vitaliy Margolen   2009-07-27 08:13:05 ---
What version of safedisk is this?

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--- Comment #44 from Johan Gill   2009-07-27 09:28:04 ---
Version 1.40.4.

If I try to just throw a handle back at the app, it does DeviceIoControl. Darn.

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--- Comment #45 from Vitaliy Margolen   2009-07-27 19:03:43 ---
Attach +ntoskrnl,+tid trace.

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12653

--- Comment #46 from Johan Gill   2009-07-28 18:29:24 ---
Well, it seems CreateFile fails because Wine simply doesn't support accessing
devices with CreateFile except for filesystem devices and some special cases
like AUX, CON and so on.

I can provide some logs after some sleep.

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup

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--- Comment #47 from Vitaliy Margolen   2009-07-28 18:59:13 ---
(In reply to comment #46)
> Well, it seems CreateFile fails because Wine simply doesn't support accessing
> devices with CreateFile except for filesystem devices and some special cases
> like AUX, CON and so on.

Wrong. I don't even want to go into details, you can see for yourself in ntdll,
server & ntoskrnl.exe

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup

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--- Comment #48 from Johan Gill   2009-08-02 07:36:28 ---
Created an attachment (id=22779)
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Trace from OpenService to the failed CreateFile

Ok, I misunderstood some parts of the DOS device code.

What really happens is that the wineserver can't find "/??/Secdrv". I guess the
driver setup should create it somewhere, but I haven't found it in the code
yet.

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup

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--- Comment #49 from Johan Gill   2009-08-02 07:39:58 ---
I meant ??\Secdrv.

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup

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--- Comment #50 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2010-03-12 21:18:11 ---
I was interested in making some fresh logs for debuggers on this, sometime
later this month  (a little busy right now, barely enough time to check up on
this bug)

Any specific log options that I should use?

Also, are there any hidden options I should change before hand, either by
winetricks or by hand?

Maybe recent enhancements to wine will at least shed some light on the issues.

Last I checked (mid-february) the game (The Sims Complete Collection multi-CD
version) still did not work on Wine, but now installs 100% OK.

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--- Comment #51 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2010-07-14 20:23:08 ---
Anyone test this recently.  I was going to test this with the latest version of
Wine the next time I had a free moment.

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--- Comment #52 from Fernando  2010-12-07 21:15:17 CST ---
Created an attachment (id=32405)
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Execution log of the sims

The Sims is not starting on wine 1.3.8 and Ubuntu 10.10.

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--- Comment #53 from Anastasius Focht  2011-06-07 15:59:21 CDT ---
Hello,

please retest this using recent Wine set to "Windows 2000".
If Sims 1.0 is using SafeDisc 1.x this the same issue as bug 21147 (so possible
dupe).
If it still doesn't work, state exact Wine version and the version of SafeDisc
using ProtectionID Scanner.

Regards

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12653

Bug 12653 depends on bug 219, which changed state.

Bug 219 Summary: Programs refuse to run because of safedisc copy-protection
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219

What    |Old Value                   |New Value
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup (SafeDisc 1.x: secdrv.sys doesn't support WinVer > Win2000)

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            Summary|The Sims 1.0 crashes on     |The Sims 1.0 crashes on
                   |startup                     |startup (SafeDisc 1.x:
                   |                            |secdrv.sys doesn't support
                   |                            |WinVer > Win2000)

--- Comment #54 from Anastasius Focht  2012-01-27 13:57:52 CST ---
Hello,

bought the game for a few bucks.
There is nothing to fix here.

As I already guessed (comment #53) you have to set WinVer to "Windows 2000" to
have the SafeDisc 1.x driver to work.

--- snip ---
-=[ ProtectionID v0.6.4.0 JULY]=-
(c) 2003-2010 CDKiLLER & TippeX
Build 07/08/10-17:57:05
Ready...

Scanning -> Z:\home\focht.wine\drive_c\Program Files\Maxis\Die
Sims\Dplayerx.dll
File Type : 32-Bit Dll (Subsystem : Win GUI / 2), Size : 172544 (02A200h)
Byte(s)
[File Heuristics] -> Flag : 00000000000001001100000000000001 (0x0004C001)
[!] Safedisc core dll (dplayerx.dll) detected!
[CompilerDetect] -> Visual C++ 5.0
- Scan Took : 0.558 Second(s)

Scanning -> Z:\home\focht.wine\drive_c\Program Files\Maxis\Die Sims\Drvmgt.dll
File Type : 32-Bit Dll (Subsystem : Win GUI / 2), Size : 31744 (07C00h) Byte(s)
[File Heuristics] -> Flag : 00000000000001001100000000000000 (0x0004C000)
[!] Safedisc driver managment dll (drvmgt.dll) detected!
[CompilerDetect] -> Visual C++ 5.0
- Scan Took : 0.575 Second(s)

Scanning -> Z:\home\focht.wine\drive_c\Program Files\Maxis\Die Sims\Secdrv.sys
File Type : 32-Bit Driver (good checksum) (Subsystem : Native / 1), Size :
10848 (02A60h) Byte(s)
-> File has 2368 (0940h) bytes of appended data starting at offset 02120h
[File Heuristics] -> Flag : 00000000000000000000000000000111 (0x00000007)
[!] Safedisc protection driver (secdrv.sys) detected!
- Scan Took : 0.571 Second(s)

Scanning -> Z:\home\focht.wine\drive_c\Program Files\Maxis\Die Sims\Sims.exe
File Type : 32-Bit Exe (Subsystem : Win GUI / 2), Size : 265928 (040EC8h)
Byte(s)
-> File has 18120 (046C8h) bytes of appended data starting at offset 03C800h
[File Heuristics] -> Flag : 00000000000001001100000000000101 (0x0004C005)
[!] Safedisc v1.40.004 detected !
[CompilerDetect] -> Visual C++ 5.0
- Scan Took : 0.541 Second(s)
--- snip ---

Regards

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup (SafeDisc 1.x: secdrv.sys doesn't support WinVer > Win2000)

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          Component|kernel32                    |-unknown
         Resolution|                            |DUPLICATE

--- Comment #55 from Anastasius Focht  2012-01-27 13:59:19 CST ---
Hello,

marking dupe of bug 21147

Regards

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 21147 ***

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup (SafeDisc 1.x: secdrv.sys doesn't support WinVer > Win2000)

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12653

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--- Comment #56 from Austin English  2012-01-28 14:04:17 CST ---
Closing.

[Bug 12653] The Sims 1.0 crashes on startup (SafeDisc 1.x: secdrv.sys doesn't support WinVer > Win2000)

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--- Comment #57 from Anastasius Focht  2013-10-04 13:12:41 CDT ---
*** Bug 21105 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***