http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33549
Bug #: 33549 Summary: Wine does not install correctly on Mint 13 MATE Product: Wine Version: unspecified Platform: Other OS/Version: Linux Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: -unknown AssignedTo: wine-bugs@winehq.org ReportedBy: A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be Classification: Unclassified
Mint 13 ≃ Ubuntu 12.04 + Cinnamon + Mate 14.0 Tested on Mate.
The installation procedure described at http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu does not work correctly because ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa produces a reference to a distribution name "maya" (instead of "precise" for Ubuntu). See http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30883#c6
There is no Wine menu. I have hacked one by adding the contents of /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/wine.menu to ~/.config/menus/mate-applications.menu
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--- Comment #1 from joaopa jeremielapuree@yahoo.fr 2013-05-08 22:34:30 CDT --- That's the problem of your distribution, not Wine. Please, report to Mint team
This bug can be closed as INVALID.
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Austin English austinenglish@gmail.com changed:
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--- Comment #2 from Austin English austinenglish@gmail.com 2013-05-09 13:22:41 CDT --- Contact the PPA maintainer for problems with the packaging.
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André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be changed:
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--- Comment #3 from André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be 2013-05-10 19:09:01 CDT --- "the problem of your distribution" is unclear, especially to the general user. Mint users use Wine distribution, Mint distribution, Ubuntu distribution, Debian distribution, MATE distribution, Cinnamon distribution and I think that Ubuntu users using MATE meet the second problem too. It's usually the job of each software, not system, provider to explain how to install their product.
For the sake of Wine, you should state that Linux Mint users have to use the APT configuration URI: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu Distribution: <ubuntu> Components: maint or the source.list file line deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu <ubuntu> main where <ubuntu> is the corresponding distribution, for example "precise" for "maya". They're supposed to know the correspondences but it's useful to refer to http://www.linuxmint.com/oldreleases.php
Regarding the second problem, I did not analyze it. I'll just say that I've just had to replace "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;" with "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity;MATE;" in a shortcut for a component program not to block much of the system. Hence, that the problem may occur because of the addition of a Desktop layer to any system.
I'm explaining this for the sake of Wine. If no one cares, I won't fight to death for it. I agree that Linux is a dish of spaghetti and I always claim that it's not the best way to succeed. But I didn't choose that. Nor to emulate Windows on Linux instead of Linux on Windows ;-) I just admire your doing it and I support you.
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Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net changed:
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--- Comment #4 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net 2013-05-10 19:58:31 CDT --- This is a packaging issue, and packages are built by the distros. Report the problem to the Ubuntu package maintainer.
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--- Comment #5 from André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be 2013-05-12 16:55:44 CDT --- I won't because Bug 30883 is already actively busy with that. I was doing this for the general user, but you don't want to. I personally have no problem because I'm a geek. Linux is only for geeks because of lots of things like this.
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--- Comment #6 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net 2013-05-12 17:15:49 CDT --- Apparently you didn't notice that bug 30883 has also been closed as invalid for the same reason as this one: WineHQ has absolutely nothing to do with packaging. The Wine developers cannot change anything on any distro repository, period.
If you really want this fixed, you need to report it to the person who can fix it, which as you have been repeatedly told is the Ubuntu package maintainer. If you refuse to do that, don't complain if it doesn't get fixed. He can't very well fix something he doesn't know about.
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--- Comment #7 from Bruno Jesus 00cpxxx@gmail.com 2013-05-14 07:04:15 CDT --- Closing invalid bugs.
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--- Comment #8 from André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be 2013-05-14 07:30:52 CDT --- In summary, your reply is incorrect because this bug is not about modifying a repository but modifying the instructions, as I explained, so that it can be used. Please note that using an incorrect installation method was the reason for bug 30883 and that I'm trying to avoid that people that do not open bugs meet that problem repeatedly. Read on.
Yes I had noticed that bug 30883 has been closed. You did not notice that my word "actively" for a one year old bug is obviously humor.
Apparently, you did not notice in bug 30883 that the sentence"... https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa is correct on the Ubuntu download page" is not (or no longer) true. That page does not contain that URL at all but "ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa" which is correct for Ubuntu but incorrect for Mint and that is my point. Hence, whichever way, the sentence "bug 30883 has also been closed as invalid for the same reason as this one" is incorrect.
Apparently, you didn't notice the sentence on the download page: Ubuntu and Ubuntu derivatives (such as Kubuntu) obtain software from packages which are stored in repositories. Ubuntu's default repository includes Wine, however if you want to stay up to date with the latest Wine package you can use WineHQ's by following these instructions.
Hence the rest of the download page deals with "WineHQ's" repository, and my point is about that repository and it is nonsense to "repeatedly" tell me to contact Ubuntu about it instead of WineHQ. Ubuntu's repository is working perfectly well. The issue is that if a Mint user who "wants to stay up to date with the latest Wine package" follows your instructions instead of what I suggest, he will never see the contents of "WineHQ's" repository. Presently (you may want to make that test): he sees 1.4-0ubuntu4.1 instead of 1.4.1-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa4. Changing the repository instead of changing the instructions is an alternative but I'm not really keen on that.
You may want instead to state that you don't support Mint if you continue to insist. I don't like that at all for the sake of Wine, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
This will be my last message because it's much easier to make the installation instructions correct for Mint than writing all this.
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Austin English austinenglish@gmail.com changed:
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--- Comment #9 from Austin English austinenglish@gmail.com 2013-05-14 13:02:06 CDT --- As we've said, Wine does not control that PPA, you need to contact the PPA maintainers.
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--- Comment #10 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net 2013-05-14 16:26:44 CDT --- The instructions on the Ubuntu download page were written by the Ubuntu package maintainer. You need to contact him about any suggested changes to it.
BTW, I happen to agree with you that calling it the "WineHQ PPA Repository" on that page is very confusing to users. You might want to mention that to Scott when you contact him.
As for the link being wrong, no, it isn't. The "visit its Launchpad page" link at the very bottom of that page still does lead to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa, which is the correct link for the Ubuntu PPA.
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--- Comment #11 from Scott Ritchie scott@open-vote.org 2013-05-14 19:01:21 CDT --- A few things:
1) This is a proper bug against the winehq website, as we need to update our download page to give Mint users a workaround for its dumb behavior (or just add a Mint download section). I'll deal with that, as I've been on and off working on the downloads page. 2) I've renamed the PPA in question to "Wine Team PPA" -- when I originally made it so many years ago, the naming scheme was more about the content of the packages then about who provided them, and at the time Wine was unpatched. 3) Please subscribe me to bugs like this; while I don't do C code I am still active with the project :) I am "downstream" as a packager but my intent is always to work with everyone here. 4) Packaging bugs are bugs and we cannot reasonably expect users to know the difference. This is one reason why Launchpad was built, so Ubuntu could intercept bugs that might be packaging bugs and have them go through a filter (me) before heading upstream, but Mint doesn't direct users to launchpad.
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--- Comment #12 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net 2013-05-14 20:31:51 CDT --- Scott, thank you for responding.
I have one request: when you are revising that page, please make it very clear that the Ubuntu PPA is not under the control of the Wine Project. IMO, even "Wine Team PPA" is misleading in that respect; users are likely to interpret "Wine Team" as meaning WineHQ. Something like "Ubuntu Wine PPA" would be much clearer.
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--- Comment #13 from André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be 2013-05-15 07:03:50 CDT --- Thanks for this reward to my efforts for the sake of Wine. Regarding Mint, I praise their job, but I do not appreciate them sticking their name on Ubuntu's and Debian's. I did not install their DVD, but I installed their mate-meta-* packages onto Ubuntu. Even more unfair to meet this problem that way. Surprisingly, I found the result better regarding choice of options and compatibility with my habits. That's the only way I think Mint should be distributed. If all distros did it that way, we would have a single system we could call Linux and that could stand the competition. And particularly in that context, changing the system's name is a bug: indecent and contrary to its own interest. Regarding Launchpad, I introduced 2 Mint 12 bugs. They are still Mint 13 bugs. One is extremely difficult to solve: the xterm command is missing (preventing some installers). Except when Mint is installed my way. See?
Don't forget the second part of my original text. It's an even more annoying "feature". Packaging or not? I may reintroduce it separately. But only if you tell me where beforehand ;-)
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--- Comment #14 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net 2013-05-15 07:24:01 CDT --- (In reply to comment #13)
Don't forget the second part of my original text.
I'm not sure, but that may be related to bug 27706.
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--- Comment #15 from André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be 2013-05-15 08:35:52 CDT ---
I'm not sure, but that may be related to bug 27706.
Not at first sight. Bug 27706 mentions not adding entries to the Wine (I suppose) Menu. I speak of not creating the Wine menu altogether in the first place. Executing winecfg does not create it. I installed all my Wine (small) applications by installing DEBs and the menu entries supposed to go to the Wine menu went to Other instead. As soon as my hack created the Wine menu, those entries moved to it.
BTW, are you promoting converting setup.exe to setup.deb/setup.rpm packages? There are many, many good reasons to do so. Those DEbs were converted by the packager sitting in here ;-) But there are pitfalls that could easily be worked around with a suggestion I have in mind, rather simple to implement I hope. Should I suggest? Also, I think that WineHQ should host such tested, repackaged DEBs and rpm (including for example Picasa and its hacks of abandoned later versions). This would fit very nicely in the AppDB framework ("this one is here") and encourage people to port more winapps.
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--- Comment #16 from André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be 2013-05-15 08:48:53 CDT --- Oops, I forgot to write that the reason for the second problem may be the renaming to mate-original of original filenames, both applications or data files. The reason is to have Gnome 2 (renamed) and Gnome 3 coexist. That's MATE's doing and nothing of Mint.
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Jay philipz85@hotmail.com changed:
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--- Comment #17 from Jay philipz85@hotmail.com --- Well i noticed this problem in Mint 13 and 14. The PPA instructions on the Ubuntu page would work fine, but mint's distribution codename (i.e. maya and nadia) rather than the ubuntu's codename (i.e. precise and quantal) is being added. This is not an isolated issue for the wine PPA, this is for all PPAs added through the software sources gui or terminal. I've tested the ubuntu PPA instructions on Mint 15 and 16 and it work correctly.
Maybe a simple addition to the ubuntu page stating that these instructions also work for Linux Mint 15 and above would be useful. And then providing instructions for Mint 13 users, that they should use `deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu precise main` in the gui and `sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu precise main"` in the terminal. As Mint 14 is no supported, i'm not sure if instructions should be added for it.
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--- Comment #18 from André H. nerv@dawncrow.de --- (In reply to Jay Philips from comment #17)
Well i noticed this problem in Mint 13 and 14. The PPA instructions on the Ubuntu page would work fine, but mint's distribution codename (i.e. maya and nadia) rather than the ubuntu's codename (i.e. precise and quantal) is being added. This is not an isolated issue for the wine PPA, this is for all PPAs added through the software sources gui or terminal. I've tested the ubuntu PPA instructions on Mint 15 and 16 and it work correctly.
Maybe a simple addition to the ubuntu page stating that these instructions also work for Linux Mint 15 and above would be useful. And then providing instructions for Mint 13 users, that they should use `deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu precise main` in the gui and `sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu precise main"` in the terminal. As Mint 14 is no supported, i'm not sure if instructions should be added for it.
At best you'd make up a new site like the ubuntu one (or append to it) and patch the website.git at source.winehq.org/git/ send that to wine-patches mailinglist or attach it here for review
I think we should take Mint into account as they advertising Wine in their installer!
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--- Comment #19 from Scott Ritchie scott@open-vote.org --- This problem will solve itself within two months or so, as by then Ubuntu and Mint's next LTS releases will be established. I only intend to provide updates in the PPA for the latest LTS release forward.
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--- Comment #20 from André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be ---
This problem will solve itself ...
Why solve itself? Especially for those who won't upgrade?
The best treat to Mint users would be to explain them how to 'rename their Mint (maya) to Ubuntu (precise)'. In principle, all Mint repository references have been created and only Ubuntu ones are going to be. But where is that value? Is it patched at boot time like Mint likes to do? And in what other case could it be used? Especially for upgrades? This is a bit confused: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=106400
I finally have found what I think is the solution and I posted it to that thread.
Unfortunately, my system is just too important to risk a faux-pas and I'd appreciate someone to test that on a less important system and post the result in that thread and here. For the sake of Wine and Ubuntu, of course, not really Mint ;-) Best regards, André.
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--- Comment #21 from Scott Ritchie scott@open-vote.org --- Yes, eventually Mint 13 users will have to do the same thing Precise users will have to do if they want the latest Wine betas -- upgrade.
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--- Comment #22 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net --- (In reply to Scott Ritchie from comment #19)
This problem will solve itself within two months or so, as by then Ubuntu and Mint's next LTS releases will be established. I only intend to provide updates in the PPA for the latest LTS release forward.
So this is a WONTFIX?
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--- Comment #23 from Scott Ritchie scott@open-vote.org --- It seems there's another reason Mint packages don't work: Mint deliberately disables the installing of recommended packages by default. This will mostly break the Wine package, as every nonstrict dependency is (correctly) a recommends.
We should explain this on the download page if possible, I'd rather people not report mint-invented errors as packaging bugs.
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--- Comment #24 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net --- (In reply to Scott Ritchie from comment #23)
We should explain this on the download page if possible, I'd rather people not report mint-invented errors as packaging bugs.
Based on what you said in https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2014-October/105407.html, I think the page needs a statement explaining that derivatives aren't supported by the package maintainers.
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--- Comment #25 from André Pirard A.Pirard@ulg.ac.be --- In comment #20 I explained that I had posted a drastic to try patch that would have Mint called itself Ubuntu again for this purpose. I was accused of making an ugly patch and I replied that the ugly patch is Mint's (and even Mint). Those people are so bright that they moved my answer to another thread, but without the question!
Well, basically, Mint is Ubuntu with the non-Open Software additions that Ubuntu does not want to preload, a few niceties and, mostly, maquillage (макияж). That used to be done before with add-on CDs and if you look inside Mint's CD, you will see just that: Ubuntu + add-on packages. So, the even more drastic move would be for Ubuntu or someone to also steal from Mint back, to make that add-on CD and to call it Mintequivalent Ubuntu without tears and with Ubuntu support (which kicks off Mint). If you knew some Ubuntu friend wanting to hear this...
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--- Comment #26 from Scott Ritchie scott@open-vote.org --- I have no problem saying the packages also work on Mint provided that Mint doesn't deliberately break them by disabling the default installation of recommended packages.
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--- Comment #27 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net --- I think you need a more general statement than that so the page doesn't have to be edited every time a derivative distro comes up with a new way to break your packages.
How does this sound?
"These packages and instructions are designed for Ubuntu and recognized flavors. Users of Ubuntu derivatives are welcome to use these packages, but should keep in mind that problems caused by differences between the derivative distro and mainline Ubuntu are neither Wine bugs nor packaging bugs, and should be reported to the distro in question."
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--- Comment #28 from Scott Ritchie scott@open-vote.org --- Yeah that'd be fine.
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--- Comment #29 from André H. nerv@dawncrow.de --- (In reply to Rosanne DiMesio from comment #27)
"These packages and instructions are designed for Ubuntu and recognized flavors. Users of Ubuntu derivatives are welcome to use these packages, but should keep in mind that problems caused by differences between the derivative distro and mainline Ubuntu are neither Wine bugs nor packaging bugs, and should be reported to the distro in question."
First, we should mention Mint in this text at least as an example, that makes it more clear. Further i think this bug is about missing instructions for Mint, and Mint is a major "derivative distro", and if the instructions need to include all the packages wine depends on, then this would be needed to fix this bug.
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--- Comment #30 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net --- My understanding (Scott, correct me if I'm wrong) is that "flavor" vs. "derivative" is an official distinction made by Ubuntu. The instructions on our site should be consistent with Ubuntu policy, and the patch I submitted addresses that by changing "derivatives" to "flavors" in the page heading and first paragraph in addition to adding the warning I suggested in comment 27.
Since Mint is a derivative, not a flavor, the instructions on that page were never meant to apply to them. The error, as I see it, was in not making that clear, and that's what my patch aims to correct.
OTOH, a much simpler solution would be to eliminate the page altogether and have the link on the main Downloads page lead directly to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ubuntu/ppa. There's nothing on the Ubuntu download page that isn't documented elsewhere.
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--- Comment #31 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net --- My patch was committed, so the problem I was concerned with is fixed. I'll leave it up to Scott to decide whether my changes are sufficient to close this bug.
As for Mint users who want detailed installation instructions, there is nothing to stop anyone from creating a wiki page here for that.
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--- Comment #32 from super_man@post.com --- Staging is currently doing these builds?
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--- Comment #33 from Rosanne DiMesio dimesio@earthlink.net --- (In reply to super_man from comment #32)
Staging is currently doing these builds?
WineHQ is doing these builds.
Instructions for installing the official WineHQ packages for Ubuntu are at http://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu. Since it's on the wiki, if different instructions are needed for Mint users, anyone can add them.
The page this bug refers to is obsolete.
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