[Bug 18905] New: Nvda In Wine

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18905

Summary: Nvda In Wine
           Product: Wine
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P2
         Component: -unknown
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

This is more of a feature request, I hope I completed the form correctly.  I
was wondering if it would be possible to either add the screen reader NVDA in
to a default installation of Wine, or make it so that NVDA can be installed in
to Wine.  NVDA would give blind Linux users access to applications in Wine.  It
does not use video hooks, so it is probably the best choice for a Wine screen
reader.  It is open source and can be found at:
http://www.nvda-project.org/
The installer talks, so if it could be made to work, installing it with out
sighted assistance would be no problem.
Thanks

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--- Comment #1 from Nikolay Sivov   2009-06-12 03:57:18 ---
(In reply to comment #0)
> This is more of a feature request, I hope I completed the form correctly.  I
> was wondering if it would be possible to either add the screen reader NVDA in
> to a default installation of Wine,

If Windows system doesn't provide such functionality it won't be implemented in
a Wine tree.
> or make it so that NVDA can be installed in
> to Wine.

That's all Wine bugzilla is about. Try to install it and report any problems,
one bug for one issue.

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--- Comment #2 from [e-mail]  2009-06-12 04:05:30 ---
I have no way of knowing what is on the screen when the installer is running. 
Orca, Gnome's screen reader, doesn't work with Wine.  So it just stays silent. 
I am not sure if the installer is actually running and just not speaking, or if
it has popped up some kind of error.

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--- Comment #3 from Vitaliy Margolen   2009-06-12 07:53:22 ---
It does it install with few errors. But then doesn't really start - plays few
tones and exists.

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--- Comment #4 from Vitaliy Margolen   2009-06-12 07:54:26 ---
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Installation log

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--- Comment #5 from [e-mail]  2009-11-27 02:06:00 ---
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Errors I got when running the installer for NVDA 2009.1

This is the latest version of NVDA.  It was released a couple of days ago.  The
errors in the attached file are the result of running the installer with the
wine command in terminal.

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--- Comment #6 from Parham Doustdar   2010-08-12 14:28:17 ---
Hello there. I also tried running the portable version of NVDA, which does not
involve going through an installation screen. Still, however, I get an error
which is attached.

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--- Comment #7 from Parham Doustdar   2010-08-12 15:00:27 ---
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stderr output

This is the stderr output when running the latest NVDA snapshot (available at
http://www.nvda-project.org/snapshots) under Wine, with the command:

wine nvda.exe

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--- Comment #8 from Austin English  2013-07-09 20:11:09 CDT ---
Still in 1.6-rc4:
austin@aw25 ~ $ wine nvda_2013.1.1.exe 
fixme:mciwave:MCIWAVE_DriverProc Unsupported command [2115]
fixme:mciwave:MCIWAVE_DriverProc Unsupported command [2114]
fixme:winstation:OpenInputDesktop (0,0,0): stub
fixme:msg:ChangeWindowMessageFilter 12 00000001
fixme:process:SetProcessShutdownParameters (00000100, 00000001): partial stub.
ALSA lib conf.c:3314:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library
/usr/lib64/alsa-lib/libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
ALSA lib pcm.c:2217:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
Exception TypeError: "'NoneType' object is not callable" in <bound method
WavePlayer.__del__ of <nvwave.WavePlayer object at 0x009ECF30>> ignored

mci related, I guess?

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--- Comment #9 from [e-mail] ---
Hard to say from console output why it doesnt work. Installer shows no content.
Winetricks -q ie8 riched20 doesnt help.

sha1sum nvda_2015.4.exe 
2e3a71808386a4030910a0a8ab3a9acd79dc4774  nvda_2015.4.exe

wine 1.9-git

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--- Comment #10 from [e-mail] ---
Currently it is possible to get NVDA to install (though not the latest
version). But it doesn't work well enough to be usable.

In a clean Windows 7

First install at minimum:
winetricks -q ole32

Then to be able to speak the license screen:
winetricks -q  msftedit

Beyond that, I think a few more winetricks dlls probably help with various
display and operation elements, but honestly I don't know what might help with
what. msscript maybe? riched20? riched30? vcrun####? No idea.

You definitely cannot install version 2017.4[0]; that installer terminates with
errors[1]. But previous versions[2] do install, with patience, once you have
the right dll bits installed from winetricks.

The problem is that even if I get past the installation, it's mostly useless
for interaction with my application, maybe because the UI interfacing methods
are not implemented in Wine. So I can hear the title of an application window,
and I can hear whatever text is in certain kinds of interface text fields, but
not others, and messages and buttons in the installer read just fine, but none
of the menus or toolbar items read in my Win32 MFC app for instance, and I
can't seem to directly interface with NVDA either to programmatically send text
to its speech engine (using github.com/dkager/tolk or a similar interface
library). I can use Tolk to detect that NVDA is running and that speech is
available, but then sending text does nothing in a package that speaks properly
in Windows versions XP and up[3].

But anyway, once the winetricks bits are installed, then run the NVDA
installer. I'm going to use nvda_2017.3.exe, because it works but can be
annoying to get installed. I think 2016.4 might be less annoying?

First I run wine nvda_2017.3.exe, it plays some music, then a license screen
pops up, and it reads whatever is under the mouse. I click "I agree" and then I
click "Install NVDA on this computer". This will most likely fail, but I guess
that's ok. Once it fails, I go back to the terminal and Ctrl+C to exit and then
run the installer again. Usually this time it succeeds, though sometimes I have
to do it a third time. Now NVDA is already launched by the installer, so if you
want to test it out I guess you can. Often at this point it will say that it
has detected a newer version (2017.4) available. It won't work, so don't let it
try to update. Later I am then able to launch NVDA in gnome without going
through the installer.

But, like I said, after this point it's still basically useless for me because
of how much of my application interface it doesn't read.

[0] - https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe

[1] - 
wine nvda_2017.4.exe
003f:fixme:seh:_abnormal_termination (void)stub
...
0047:fixme:reg:RegOpenUserClassesRoot (0xb4, 0x0, 0x2000000, 0x118fbb8)
semi-stub
004c:fixme:msg:ChangeWindowMessageFilter 12 00000001
004c:fixme:process:SetProcessShutdownParameters (00000100, 00000001): partial
stub.
004c:fixme:reg:RegOpenUserClassesRoot (0xd4, 0x0, 0x2000000, 0x33efe8)
semi-stub
004c:fixme:advapi:ParseStringSidToSid String constant not supported: L"wd"
wine: Call from 0x7bc4fe61 to unimplemented function
ole32.dll.CoGetApartmentType, aborting

[2] - https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2017.3/nvda_2017.3.exe ,
https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2017.2/nvda_2017.2.exe , etc.
The pattern is releases/YYYY.[1234]/nvda_YYYY.[1234].exe

[3] - If you unzip
https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/releases/download/r1955/Aa...
and run the contained MUSHclient.exe on a Windows machine running NVDA, it
should start speaking to you. If NVDA is missing or not detected, it should
default to speaking through SAPI (installable in XP configurations of Wine with
winetricks -q speechsdk).

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--- Comment #11 from [e-mail] ---
I should have mentioned that my wine version in the previous is wine-3.0-rc4
and using the latest winetricks downloaded from github.

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--- Comment #12 from H  ---
(In reply to fiendishx from comment #10)
> Currently it is possible to get NVDA to install (though not the latest
> version). But it doesn't work well enough to be usable.
>
> In a clean Windows 7
>
> First install at minimum:
> winetricks -q ole32
>
> Then to be able to speak the license screen:
> winetricks -q  msftedit
>
> Beyond that, I think a few more winetricks dlls probably help with various
> display and operation elements, but honestly I don't know what might help
> with what. msscript maybe? riched20? riched30? vcrun####? No idea.
>
> You definitely cannot install version 2017.4[0]; that installer terminates
> with errors[1]. But previous versions[2] do install, with patience, once you
> have the right dll bits installed from winetricks.
>
> The problem is that even if I get past the installation, it's mostly useless
> for interaction with my application, maybe because the UI interfacing
> methods are not implemented in Wine. So I can hear the title of an
> application window, and I can hear whatever text is in certain kinds of
> interface text fields, but not others, and messages and buttons in the
> installer read just fine, but none of the menus or toolbar items read in my
> Win32 MFC app for instance, and I can't seem to directly interface with NVDA
> either to programmatically send text to its speech engine (using
> github.com/dkager/tolk or a similar interface library). I can use Tolk to
> detect that NVDA is running and that speech is available, but then sending
> text does nothing in a package that speaks properly in Windows versions XP
> and up[3].
>
> But anyway, once the winetricks bits are installed, then run the NVDA
> installer. I'm going to use nvda_2017.3.exe, because it works but can be
> annoying to get installed. I think 2016.4 might be less annoying?
>
> First I run wine nvda_2017.3.exe, it plays some music, then a license screen
> pops up, and it reads whatever is under the mouse. I click "I agree" and
> then I click "Install NVDA on this computer". This will most likely fail,
> but I guess that's ok. Once it fails, I go back to the terminal and Ctrl+C
> to exit and then run the installer again. Usually this time it succeeds,
> though sometimes I have to do it a third time. Now NVDA is already launched
> by the installer, so if you want to test it out I guess you can. Often at
> this point it will say that it has detected a newer version (2017.4)
> available. It won't work, so don't let it try to update. Later I am then
> able to launch NVDA in gnome without going through the installer.
>
> But, like I said, after this point it's still basically useless for me
> because of how much of my application interface it doesn't read.
>
> [0] - https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2017.4/nvda_2017.4.exe
>
> [1] - 
> wine nvda_2017.4.exe
> 003f:fixme:seh:_abnormal_termination (void)stub
> ...
> 0047:fixme:reg:RegOpenUserClassesRoot (0xb4, 0x0, 0x2000000, 0x118fbb8)
> semi-stub
> 004c:fixme:msg:ChangeWindowMessageFilter 12 00000001
> 004c:fixme:process:SetProcessShutdownParameters (00000100, 00000001):
> partial stub.
> 004c:fixme:reg:RegOpenUserClassesRoot (0xd4, 0x0, 0x2000000, 0x33efe8)
> semi-stub
> 004c:fixme:advapi:ParseStringSidToSid String constant not supported: L"wd"
> wine: Call from 0x7bc4fe61 to unimplemented function
> ole32.dll.CoGetApartmentType, aborting
>
> [2] - https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2017.3/nvda_2017.3.exe
> , https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2017.2/nvda_2017.2.exe ,
> etc. The pattern is releases/YYYY.[1234]/nvda_YYYY.[1234].exe
>
> [3] - If you unzip
> https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/releases/download/r1955/
> Aardwolf_MUSHclient_r1955_no_visuals_no_install.zip and run the contained
> MUSHclient.exe on a Windows machine running NVDA, it should start speaking
> to you. If NVDA is missing or not detected, it should default to speaking
> through SAPI (installable in XP configurations of Wine with winetricks -q
> speechsdk).

hi.
i wished to migrate to linux, but i wish also to use all exe files of my
softwares on linux with wine.
i am satisfied if even i can install my favorite version of nvda (2016.4) with
wine.
is it realy possible?
wine supports more than 25000 programs, but what should blind people do to use
windows programs on linux?

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--- Comment #13 from [e-mail] ---
I spent this week checking out why exactly NVDA doesn't work and wrote up bug
reports about specific issues I found. Overall there will need to be more love
for the accessibility API in Wine to get this going.

For anyone wondering about how to develop NVDA in Wine:
1. Build NVDA for Windows
2. Copy the entire NVDA tree include git submodules and build files to Linux
3. Download the portable copy of Python 3.7.7
4. Extract it in to NVDA's 'source directory'
5. Navigate to the source directory and run 'wine pythonw.exe nvda.pyw
--debug-log --log-file ./NVDA-LOG'
6. View NVDA-LOG for debugging hints

ole32.dll 5.1.2600.5512 stops the hang at startup.
oleacc.dll 4.2.1210.0 manages to implement enough accessibility features to let
NVDA track the cursor in an app like Firefox (I used Firefox 37) and read out
what's on the page.

I opened a bunch of bugs that need to be fixed to at least get NVDA to be on
par with the above experience as well as to get focus tracking working.

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Bug 18905 depends on bug 48952, which changed state.

Bug 48952 Summary: NVDA hangs on start
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48952

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Bug 18905 depends on bug 48950, which changed state.

Bug 48950 Summary: NVDA needs oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromPoint implementation for mouse tracking
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48950

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