[Bug 19158] New: The Bat! 4.2.6 doesn't start because of Themida on OS X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19158

Summary: The Bat! 4.2.6 doesn't start because of Themida on OS
                    X
           Product: Wine
           Version: 1.1.24
          Platform: Macintosh
        OS/Version: Mac OS X 10.5
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: -unknown
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

When  you run The Bat! version 4.2.6 it won't start because of a security lib
Ritlabs uses for The Bat! 4.1x upwards from Themida. The error message is

Themida - "Cannot open oreans.vxd driver. Make sure that oreans.vxd is not open
by another program"

This happens with my self compiled Wine 1.1.24 and prebuilt versions of
(Dar)Wine 1.1.21 and 1.1.23. Googling seems to show that this is only an issue
for Wine on OS X and the Themida/Oreans stuff.

This bug is related to bug #18918 and has also been reported to the forum at
http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?p=26132&sid=46f54a257a527a985869d8...

The download link to The Bat! is
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php (Home or Professional
versions are the same, only the extras are different, so no matter which
version you choose)

My system: Intel iMac, OS X 10.5.7, XQuartz 2.3.3.2

[Bug 19158] The Bat! 4.2.6 doesn't start because of Themida on OS X

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19158

Austin English  changed:

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Ken Sharp  changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Ken Sharp   2009-07-11 10:51:24 ---
VXDs can not be supported by Wine. See Bug 18719.

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--- Comment #2 from Ken Sharp   2009-07-11 10:51:48 ---
Closing wontfix.

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--- Comment #3 from [e-mail]  2009-07-11 11:55:48 ---
Thanks for clarification. I'm not sure whether that problem also occurs with
non-OS X builds, but if yes, I see your reasoning. Time to annoy Ritlabs with
requests to throw that extra security out of their software.

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Yaroslav  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Yaroslav   2009-07-21 10:05:11 ---
That is not really VXD problem. So even WinXP Bottle apps with Themida packing
search for oreans.vxd, but that file boesn't exists at all in real XP system
with that apps installed.

So i means we digg incorrect way. Same Apps will work at linux box, but MacOS X

That also happens with CommFort client:
http://www.commfort.com/download/commfort_client.zip (4.4 Mb) (CommFort
software Ltd http://commfort.com ) And many other software.

I suppose that embed oreans protection incorrectly detects OS version (but only
in MacOS) and try to use  VXD instead NT driver (sys or so)

If somebody can help me trace this issue, may be i can provide more info about.
I have some programmer skills, but i'm new in nix desktop development.

Feel free to contact me via email

Suggest that ticket must be reopened.

[Bug 19158] The Bat! 4.2.6 doesn't start because of Themida on OS X

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--- Comment #5 from [e-mail]  2009-07-26 10:53:12 ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> Closing wontfix.

As Yaroslav wrote and as someone confirmed on the inofficial German The Bat!
Forum, this error only occurs on Wine running on OS X (current version of TB!
starts fine under Wine on Ubuntu). So this problem is only apparent under OS X
AND happens on all "bottles", including the NT based bottles that shouldn't
even have a vxd problem to begin with.

I'd also ask for reopening this bug. Please re-evaluate the problem.

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Vitaliy Margolen  changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Vitaliy Margolen   2009-07-26 11:49:16 ---
Reopening, most of the times messages about .vxd are red-hearing.

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--- Comment #7 from [e-mail]  2009-08-21 01:14:45 ---
*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***

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--- Comment #8 from [e-mail]  2009-09-18 10:38:33 ---
It *seems* that bug is fixed in the current beta of The Bat! (current beta is
4.2.10.12 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb421012.rar <-
that link is probably going to be dead once the next beta comes out). Ritlabs
is no longer using compression on their exe files and thus the problem
vanished.

I tested this right now with a Wine 1.1.27 Version and Crossover Mac 8.01 (Wine
1.1.18 based). I'll monitor this issue and will report again, once a final
version of TB! is released.
Mac Version: Snow Leopard 10.6.1

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--- Comment #9 from [e-mail]  2009-09-19 03:52:11 ---
I found this entry at Oreans Website http://www.oreans.com/ThemidaWhatsNew.php

Themida [2.1.0.0] (14-Aug-2009)
[+] Full compatibility under MAC/Wine and MAC/Crossover

So I guess the problem was fixed by Oreans and *should* no longer bother up to
date programs.
I'd consider the bug nonvalid now, the problem still exists for old programs,
though.

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--- Comment #10 from [e-mail]  2009-09-20 12:24:55 ---
It seems like the most recent release of The Bat! (v4.2.10, August 26th 2009)
already uses the fixed Themida. The Bat! is now running fine using Wine 1.1.29
(installed via MacPorts) on Mac OS X 10.6.1.

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Louis Lenders  changed:

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--- Comment #11 from Louis Lenders   2009-10-25 14:28:19 ---
(In reply to comment #9)
> I found this entry at Oreans Website http://www.oreans.com/ThemidaWhatsNew.php
>
> Themida [2.1.0.0] (14-Aug-2009)
> [+] Full compatibility under MAC/Wine and MAC/Crossover
>
> So I guess the problem was fixed by Oreans and *should* no longer bother up to
> date programs.
> I'd consider the bug nonvalid now, the problem still exists for old programs,
> though.

I ran that Commfort program from comment #4, and that program runs fine too in
current git. So something must have been fixed on wine's end as well. Resolving
fixed. If someone still runs into trouble please reopen

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--- Comment #12 from [e-mail]  2009-10-29 15:43:02 ---
it's not fixed for old TB! and TB! Voyager versions on Wine 1.1.32 (OS X). Also
the program from comment #4 does not run as well. The installer runs, but the
program that gets installed, does not run. The usual problem with the
oreans.vxd.
Wine 1.1.32 was compiled/installed via MacPorts.

On the one hand it's great that Themida fixed this problem for programs that
use their protection NOW but it is sad for programs that are older and do not
have that fix. I wrote them for advice on how to handle this but I have
received no reply.

I reopen this for now, feel free to chastice me and close it again :)

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--- Comment #13 from Yaroslav   2009-10-29 18:52:25 ---
(In reply to comment #12)
> it's not fixed for old TB! and TB! Voyager versions on Wine 1.1.32 (OS X). Also
> the program from comment #4 does not run as well. The installer runs, but the
> program that gets installed, does not run. The usual problem with the
> oreans.vxd.

Agree and confirm: installer runs well, but program doesn't.
Developers promise to compile with new fixed themida only in next 5 generation.

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--- Comment #14 from Louis Lenders   2009-10-30 03:08:52 ---
Created an attachment (id=24441)
 --> (http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=24441)
commfort running
> > Also
> > the program from comment #4 does not run as well. The installer runs, but the
> > program that gets installed, does not run. The usual problem with the
> > oreans.vxd.

Well, it does start here, see attached screenshot. What wine-version do you
use?

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--- Comment #15 from [e-mail]  2009-10-30 03:52:00 ---
[quote]Wine 1.1.32 was compiled/installed via MacPorts.[/quote]

Are you on OS X?

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--- Comment #16 from Louis Lenders   2009-10-30 19:36:09 ---
(In reply to comment #15)
> [quote]Wine 1.1.32 was compiled/installed via MacPorts.[/quote]
>
> Are you on OS X?

Nope, Linux. Sorry, I should have read bug title better, (problem only occurs
on OS X)

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--- Comment #17 from Joerg Schiermeier   2010-01-02 21:37:46 ---
Hi!

The actual version of 'The Bat!' (2010-01-03: v4.2.16.2 Christmas Edition)
didn't use this library anymore. The company behind (RitLABs) 'The Bat!'
changed it.

So this bug could be closed.

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--- Comment #18 from Yaroslav   2010-01-02 22:13:52 ---
Yes, can be closed. CommFort released new version with new themida.

But problem still exists globally w/ themida and GameGuard

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--- Comment #19 from Louis Lenders   2010-01-03 12:32:23 ---
(In reply to comment #17)
> Hi!
>
> The actual version of 'The Bat!' (2010-01-03: v4.2.16.2 Christmas Edition)
> didn't use this library anymore. The company behind (RitLABs) 'The Bat!'
> changed it.
>
> So this bug could be closed.

ok then. Thanks for testing

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--- Comment #20 from Louis Lenders   2010-01-03 12:32:45 ---
cloasing abandoned

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