[Bug 10000] New: The original win32 api is still more popular then wine.

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000

Summary: The original win32 api is still more popular then wine.
           Product: Wine
           Version: 0.9.46.
          Platform: Other
               URL: http://www.winehq.org
        OS/Version: other
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P2
         Component: wine-winelib
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. A lot
of software depends on the win32 api, so wine should eventually have to be the
most popular implementation of it.

This idea came from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 ;-)

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular then wine.

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000

Jan Zerebecki  changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Jan Zerebecki   2007-10-11 13:23:42 ---
This depends on having very good and complete documentation. Currently even
though msdn contains many errors their documentation is more complete.

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular then wine.

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--- Comment #2 from Alexandre Julliard   2007-10-11 13:28:37 ---
Actually the Wine source code is a much better documentation of the Win32 API
than MSDN...

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--- Comment #3 from Dan Kegel   2007-10-11 13:36:13 ---
We can do it without extra documentation, we just have
to write lots of conformance tests to see how MS win32
behaves.

Setting "Difficulty" field.

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular then wine.

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--- Comment #4 from Detlef Riekenberg   2007-10-11 13:40:55 ---
Created an attachment (id=8519)
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Windows API Documentation test

The Windows API Documentation test failed

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Lei Zhang  changed:

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                   |implementation is still more|implementation is still more
                   |popular then wine.          |popular than wine.

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular than wine.

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000

--- Comment #5 from Jan Zerebecki   2007-10-11 17:31:29 ---
Yes conformance tests are the first step. And yes the source code is good to
find out what happens. But that is not a replacement for good documentation in
written prose ( http://source.winehq.org/WineAPI/ ).

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular than wine.

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000

--- Comment #6 from Dmitry Timoshkov   2007-10-12 10:39:00 ---
What is this bug about? Is it a joke to just take a bug with number 10000?
I'm tempted to close it as invalid.

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--- Comment #7 from Dmitry Timoshkov   2007-10-14 00:07:47 ---
Popularity is not a technical merit. Closing as invalid.

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Dmitry Timoshkov  changed:

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--- Comment #8 from Dmitry Timoshkov   2007-10-14 00:08:00 ---
Closing.

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James Hawkins  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Dan Kegel   2008-03-18 10:50:35 ---
Think of this bug as a milestone rather than a conventional bug.

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--- Comment #10 from Maarten Lankhorst   2008-06-17 20:24:57 ---
*** Bug 13396 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular than wine.

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--- Comment #11 from Dan Kegel   2008-06-17 22:11:45 ---
Still an issue with wine-1.0.

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--- Comment #12 from Austin English   2008-12-15 13:53:19 ---
Still present in git.

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--- Comment #13 from Rafał Rzepecki   2009-03-02 18:13:09 ---
I can confirm as of 1.1.16.

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--- Comment #14 from Ben Klein   2009-03-18 18:42:06 ---
I can't reproduce this bug, and haven't been able to for about 5 years or so.
Does anyone have steps to reproduce? I suspect it has something to do with me
deleting my Windows install from my desktop ...

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular than wine.

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--- Comment #15 from Dan Kegel   2009-03-18 18:46:19 ---
1. Visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
2. Note that the wedge devoted to Linux is too small to see with the naked eye.

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--- Comment #16 from Ben Klein   2009-03-18 22:03:46 ---
You're such a buzzkill, Dan ;)

I can see the wedge fine, but it doesn't prove much. It's very difficult, if
not impossible, to accurately measure OS shares, partly due to the fact that
Linux is free so you can't go by number of sales/downloads.

With webservers logging user-agents, things like user-agent spoofing
(User-Agent Switcher extension in Firefox, and built in to browsers like Opera
and Konqueror) skew the results in favour of Windows. Even Wine Gecko will
register as <insert Windows version here> in the user-agent string.

Regardless, this bug is not apparent *for me*. I can't speak for the rest of
the world, but the alternative win32 implementation irritates me much more than
Wine does :)

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular than wine.

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--- Comment #17 from Dan Kegel   2009-03-19 09:49:53 ---
Web server access logs are a pretty good measure, and they show
that this bug is still definitely a problem.  As you point out,
non-windows systems are now capable, but that wasn't the bug;
the bug is that fewer people are using them than are using Windows.
And that's demonstrably still true.

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Ivan Baldo  changed:

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--- Comment #18 from Łukasz   2009-07-12 15:10:42 ---
The Bug still present under 1.1.25. But not affect my life at all.

Hardcore solve (may can help someone, but can make also your life hard):
- make a list of at least ten friends using win32 api
- find out when they are not at home
- delete MS:W$
- install linux

Some of them may not see the diffrence. But after some time of using linux they
may consider "hey, where is my bluescreen? And why my OS is working so fast?
Where are my viruses?" etc. Than you can explain what you did. I suppose they
won't install W$ again. But if The Bug returns - try again.

Hope it helped. Good luck!

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--- Comment #19 from zil   2009-10-17 05:51:36 ---
Im using WindowsXP because of games.
Until games will be multi OS or games will work with Wine, I need both OS on PC
:(.
 Question: In theory, can windows games can run faster or at least equal under
Wine. If Wine and drivers would be optimized?

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular than wine.

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--- Comment #20 from Ben Klein   2009-10-17 06:15:52 ---
(In reply to comment #19)
> Until games will be multi OS or games will work with Wine, I need both OS on PC
> :(.

You may be interested in www.linuxgamepublishing.com.
> Question: In theory, can windows games can run faster or at least equal under
> Wine.

Yes and this does happen sometimes. In some cases, it's due to OpenGL running
faster on Linux systems in general (typically thanks to nVidia's drivers) but
other factors include better memory and process management in Linux compared to
Windows.

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--- Comment #21 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli   2010-04-05 23:53:30 ---
This is obviously an excellent milestone goal.

Getting full support for Win32 standards to the vast majority of Alternative
OSs will really be the first step towards this.

The main disadvantage right now is that people feel safe with their
applications and don't want to switch them all to switch OSs.

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Luke Bratch  changed:

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--- Comment #22 from olof  2011-05-19 12:02:17 CDT ---
Issue still persists in latest wine (1.3.20). Have not tried the solution
proposed in comment 18 though.

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--- Comment #23 from Henri Verbeet  2012-03-25 10:21:00 CDT ---
IMHO this should be closed WONTFIX as popularity shouldn't be a project goal
purely on its own. I suppose "project goals" may be an interesting conversation
to have at some point though.

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--- Comment #24 from André H.  2013-02-07 09:13:04 CST ---
This might be fixed already for ARM or will be fixed for ARM at some point,
just have a look what's going on with Windows RT.

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--- Comment #25 from Robert Wm Ruedisueli  2013-03-04 09:53:43 CST ---
(In reply to comment #23)
> IMHO this should be closed WONTFIX as popularity shouldn't be a project goal
> purely on its own. I suppose "project goals" may be an interesting conversation
> to have at some point though.

I think we will close this as NOTABUG once Wine functions more reliably and
accurately than the more popular Win32 platform, as then it will be an issue
with the keyboard to chair interface, or more often the case, the controlling
process of the keyboard to chair interface.

With the bugs pouring in on the latest version of that competing platform, with
it's developer denying the existence of said bugs and even large companies like
Valve refusing to work around those bugs, our job may have just gotten a lot
easier.

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--- Comment #26 from Shubham  ---
Comment on attachment 8519
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Windows API Documentation test

What are we supposed to do with this bug because i don't think it's a real bug.

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--- Comment #27 from [e-mail] ---
The original implementation removed .hlp file support (Win32help.exe). The
option to reinstall the app only works for Win <10. Wine continues to support
the legacy format. Some bugs remaining e.g. #29579 #14286 #14296 #14299

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[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular than wine.

[WineHQ Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #28 from Jens N  ---
Unfortunally this is still a big issue. I heard valve is also working towards a
solution with their steam deck. Maybe there is a way to fix it with combined
efforts? ;-)

Btw. this bug should also include the win64 implementation.

[Bug 10000] The original win32 api implementation is still more popular than wine.

[WineHQ Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #29 from Ben Klein  ---
(In reply to Jens N from comment #28)
> Unfortunally this is still a big issue. I heard valve is also working
> towards a solution with their steam deck. Maybe there is a way to fix it
> with combined efforts? ;-)
>
> Btw. this bug should also include the win64 implementation.

I think we need to wait for bug #65535 before addressing the win64 issue