[Bug 10190] New: Caesar IV does not start

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10190

Summary: Caesar IV does not start
           Product: Wine
           Version: 0.9.47.
          Platform: Other
        OS/Version: other
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P2
         Component: wine-misc
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]

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console log

The game Caesar IV does not load... I have followed instructions from a similar
bug when I encountered an error with what I'm guessing is directX support (the
instructions were:

# In the install folder's 'Support/DirectX' folder, extract d3dx9_29.dll by
running 'cabextract Feb2006_d3dx9_29_x86.cab', then copy d3dx9_29.dll to Wine's
'windows/system32' directory (usually ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32)

# Place msvcr71.dll in Wine's 'windows/system32' directory

Having done this, I now get a lot further in the output in console, but the
game still does not load. I will attach the console output.

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                   |                            |emo_en.exe
             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |NEW
     Ever Confirmed|0                           |1
           Keywords|                            |download

--- Comment #1 from Louis Lenders   2007-10-27 12:01:43 ---
Confirming. The demo has the same crash. Looks like this app really needs some
.net stuff working. (note: for the demo to run into this crash you have to
create the registry key HKLM/System/MountedDevices to work around another bug)

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--- Comment #2 from Louis Lenders   2007-11-16 16:10:39 ---
It runs if you install .Net 2.0, _and_ use native msxml3. The menu comes up
fine, but i cannot see any text, see screenshot here:
http://appdb.winehq.org/appimage.php?iId=14438

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--- Comment #3 from Nikita Shubin   2008-09-17 04:51:14 ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> It runs if you install .Net 2.0, _and_ use native msxml3. The menu comes up
> fine, but i cannot see any text, see screenshot here:
> http://appdb.winehq.org/appimage.php?iId=14438

I confirm looks like need msxml3 built'in

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--- Comment #4 from Jack   2009-06-24 05:08:35 ---
I've got a new behavior on the demo...
It still does not really start, though.
It was complaining about mscoree.dll at first, so I grabbed it from dll-find,
set it as native. Then it complained about .NET, so sh winetricks dotnet20 and
I got it to start... But with a black screen. I see the mouse cursor, and hear
the music, it seems I can clicks the buttons but I cna't see them.
I'll attach the output.

Seb.

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--- Comment #5 from Jack   2009-06-24 05:16:04 ---
Created an attachment (id=21986)
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Output from the demo

Optained with:
* mscoree.dll set as native
* dotnet20 installed from winetricks
* pixel shaders and vertex shaders disabled (the output seems to be identical
with or without them anyway)
* running in a 1024x768 virtual desktop
* Nvidia 6800 with proprietary drivers

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--- Comment #6 from [e-mail]  2009-10-25 06:37:35 ---
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Popup message on launching Caesar 4

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--- Comment #7 from [e-mail]  2009-10-25 06:38:41 ---
(From update of attachment 24336)
Unable to launch Caesar IV du to a serious problem on C4Exec.exe

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--- Comment #8 from [e-mail]  2009-10-25 06:39:45 ---
(From update of attachment 24336)
Unable to launch Caesar IV due to a serious problem on C4Exec.exe

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--- Comment #9 from [e-mail]  2010-02-27 07:08:12 ---
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Wine debug trace during bug on C4DotNetReg

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--- Comment #10 from Nikolay Sivov   2010-06-28 04:08:57 ---
How exactly this is msxml related? Please attach a +msxml log after all other
prerequisites are installed (like dotnet runtime) and switching to native msxml
and back shows a problem.

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--- Comment #11 from QaY   2010-07-23 14:02:32 ---
someone solve the font problem? it works, but isn't playable without text.

here is a screenshot
http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/114310/default___wine_desktop_028_gVuie7.png

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--- Comment #12 from [e-mail] 2010-11-28 03:07:40 CST ---
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Trace log of launching media/Disk1/Caesar4.exe

The CD is not found. But the executable Caesar4.exe is launched from the CD !

Using the command :
/media/Disk1/Caesar4.exe

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--- Comment #13 from Dan Kegel  2010-11-28 07:03:10 CST ---
Right, the retail disc seems to be copy protected, per
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6234
so that's expected.

(It would be nice if someone who has the demo working with
native msxml could test without native msxml and attach a log
of the problem happening... or better yet, file a new bug
just for that.)

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--- Comment #14 from Steve Dawson  2010-12-05 13:07:35 CST ---
(In reply to comment #13)
> Right, the retail disc seems to be copy protected, per
> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6234
> so that's expected.
>
> (It would be nice if someone who has the demo working with
> native msxml could test without native msxml and attach a log
> of the problem happening... or better yet, file a new bug
> just for that.)

Apart from the font rendering problem, the game demo seems to run fine without
native msxml3.

Running wine-1.3.8 and using current winetricks.

In a fresh wineprefix directory..

Install dotnet20 with winetricks.
Install the game.
Replace d3dx9_30.dll and d3dx9_36.dll with native versions. I used winetricks
to install directx9 into a temporary wineprefix dir and then copied those files
over.

Run the game from the game directory, once it launches, enter the setup menu
(4th button from the top) then click the lower left button, this should
generate the CaesarIV.ini file. It should be then possible to click the top
button from the main menu and start the game. Everything seems work, I can
place objects on the map etc, I just can't read any text :)

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--- Comment #15 from [e-mail] 2010-12-31 07:04:52 CST ---
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Console output

Tried with Wine 1.3.10.20101230. I have installed the game from the disk and
the Windows version of mono (2.8.1, installed within wine).

C4Exec.exe stops with an unhandled exception 0x40000015 at address
0xb7740073:0x006b0609 (thread 0047)

Launching CaesarIV.exe instead of C4Exec.exe results in a dialog box about
inserting the original disk rather than a copy (although the original disk is
already inserted).

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Bug 10190 depends on bug 7065, which changed state.

Bug 7065 Summary: Get SecuROM copy-protection working
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7065

What    |Old Value                   |New Value
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED

[Bug 10190] Caesar IV Retail fails to recognize media on startup

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Anastasius Focht  changed:

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                URL|ftp://ftp.vugames.com/pub/s |
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                 CC|                            |[e-mail]
            Summary|Caesar IV does not start    |Caesar IV Retail fails to
                   |                            |recognize media on startup

--- Comment #16 from Anastasius Focht  2011-06-14 10:15:37 CDT ---
Hello,

again ... different issues mixed here.
There is no msxml problem here.

Making this bug about copy protection.
All other issues are tracked separately!

Please retest using original media and recent Wine version!

Run "ProtectionID" tool (http://pid.gamecopyworld.com/) on the main
binaries (*.exe, *.dll) to identify exact copy protection.
Copy/paste the output of the log window here - only executables that have been
flagged containing protection.

See this bug: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27349 for examples what
kind of information is relevant from "Protection ID".

The demo version is protected with SecuROM 7.x (works):

--- snip ---
-=[ ProtectionID v0.6.4.0 JULY]=-
(c) 2003-2010 CDKiLLER & TippeX
Build 07/08/10-17:57:05
Ready...

Scanning -> H:.wine\drive_c\Program Files\Sierra\Caesar IV
Demo\CaesarIVDemo.exe
File Type : 32-Bit Exe (Subsystem : Win GUI / 2), Size : 11366400 (0AD7000h)
Byte(s)
[File Heuristics] -> Flag : 00000000000000000000000000000011 (0x00000003)
[!] SecuROM Detected - Version 07.26.0007
[CompilerDetect] -> Visual C++ 8.0 (Visual Studio 2005)
- Scan Took : 0.145 Second(s)
--- snip ---

Prerequisites:

1) .NET Framework 2.0 
2) native overrides of d3dx9_30.dll and d3dx9_36.dll

$ sha1sum caesar4_demo_en.exe 
993144afd33ded60b0fce3e1c6e3a33904d0f5da  caesar4_demo_en.exe

$ wine --version
wine-1.3.22-31-g98394f2

Regards

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--- Comment #17 from [e-mail] 2011-11-04 16:44:20 CDT ---
Various problems still occures on wine 1.3.31, linked to media recognition
failure :

- during the installation, when Disk2 is needed, CaesarIV installer is unable
to load from "Z:/media/Disk2".
It is possible to overcome this problem by copying Disk2 content on drive_c of
wine (nota : copying it into another directory, /home for exemple, leads to the
same kind of problem)

- after the installation, launching CaesarIV.exe or Autorun.exe/Play to
CaesarIV, leads to a media unrecognition...

(cf. log trace and screen shots)

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--- Comment #18 from [e-mail] 2011-11-04 16:46:28 CDT ---
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No media error when launching CaesarIV from the autorun

Wine 1.3.31
CaesarIV retail version

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--- Comment #19 from [e-mail] 2011-11-04 16:47:12 CDT ---
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No media error when launching CaesarIV from the autorun

Wine 1.3.31
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No media error when launching CaesarIV from the autorun

Wine 1.3.31
CaesarIV retail version

[Bug 10190] SecuROM 7.27: Caesar IV Retail fails to recognize media on startup

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Anastasius Focht  changed:

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         Resolution|                            |FIXED
            Summary|Caesar IV Retail fails to   |SecuROM 7.27: Caesar IV
                   |recognize media on startup  |Retail fails to recognize
                   |                            |media on startup
           Severity|minor                       |normal

--- Comment #21 from Anastasius Focht  2012-01-24 16:04:54 CST ---
Hello,

I bought the game for few bucks and looked into it ...

First, you need .NET 2.0 prerequisite (game launcher/registation will need it
later) -> 'winetricks -q dotnet20'.

The installation media change problem was bug 25963 and got fixed in Wine
1.3.36

The copy protection issue is partly bug 26459 (fixed by commit
http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commitdiff/b94fabfb5bfe9a19af22b9e28f7...)

--- snip ---
-=[ ProtectionID v0.6.4.0 JULY]=-
(c) 2003-2010 CDKiLLER & TippeX
Build 07/08/10-17:57:05
Ready...
Scanning -> Z:\home\focht.wine\drive_c\Program Files\Sierra\Caesar
IV\CaesarIV.exe
File Type : 32-Bit Exe (Subsystem : Win GUI / 2), Size : 12001280 (0B72000h)
Byte(s)
[File Heuristics] -> Flag : 00000000000000000000000000000011 (0x00000003)
[!] SecuROM Detected - Version 07.27.0009
[CompilerDetect] -> Visual C++ 8.0 (Visual Studio 2005)
- Scan Took : 1.989 Second(s)
--- snip ---

The original media is recognized in general but there are some cases where it
still fails.
The reason is there a high precision time measurement done during software and
optical drive interaction, called "data density measurement".

There is a set of locations spread over the disc which are read using pairs of
SCSI read commands (pass-through) per location from the drive.
You can watch them using +cdrom channel.
While the disc spins the time is measured it takes for the second command to
return (depends on the time it takes the disc to do a full round = depends on
the data density).
Combining all predefined locations a vendor specific pattern is formed and
verified.

Wine might not be able to reliably guarantee certain timing constrains.

If your disk fails to be recognized this helps:

- start wineserver and services prior (notepad/whatever in different terminal)
- wait a bit until the drive/media completely stopped spinning before start

Don't run any CPU intensive processes in background that cause workload spikes
during time measurement/calibration phase.

(still fails: try again)

Regards

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--- Comment #22 from Alexandre Julliard  2012-01-27 14:16:38 CST ---
Closing bugs fixed in 1.4-rc1.

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           Hardware|Other                       |x86
                 OS|other                       |Linux