[Bug 52880] New: Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

[WineHQ Bugzilla]

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52880

Bug ID: 52880
           Summary: Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”
           Product: Wine
           Version: 7.7
          Hardware: x86-64
                OS: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: -unknown
          Assignee: [e-mail]
          Reporter: [e-mail]
      Distribution: ---

I have tried the tool “HWiNFO 7.22-4731” out together with the software “Wine
7.7-1449.4”.

Markus_Elfring@Sonne:~> wine
/home/altes_Heim2/elfring/geladen/Freeware/hwi_722/HWiNFO32.exe
00c4:err:ntoskrnl:ZwLoadDriver failed to create driver
L"\Registry\Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\SecDrv": c0000142
003c:fixme:service:scmdatabase_autostart_services Auto-start service L"SecDrv"
failed to start: 1114
0074:fixme:imm:ImeSetActiveContext (0x5b5a0, 0): stub
0074:fixme:imm:ImmReleaseContext (0000000000010020, 000000000005B5A0): stub
0024:fixme:imm:ImeSetActiveContext (0x262958, 1): stub
…
0134:fixme:ntoskrnl:SeSinglePrivilegeCheck stub: 000000000000000a 1
0024:fixme:setupapi:CM_Get_Parent 00E3F454 0x00000000 0x00000000 stub
…
0024:fixme:ole:CoInitializeSecurity 00000000, -1, 00000000, 00000000, 0, 3,
00000000, 0, 00000000 stub
0134:fixme:ntoskrnl:MmMapIoSpace stub: 0x00000000000f0000, 65536, 0
0024:fixme:ntdll:get_firmware_info info_class SYSTEM_FIRMWARE_TABLE_INFORMATION
provider 4649524d
…
0134:fixme:ntoskrnl:HalGetBusDataByOffset (4 0 0 000000000003A388 0 64) stub!
wine: Unhandled privileged instruction at address 00000000014F3B5E (thread
0134), starting debugger...
…
014c:fixme:thread:GetThreadIdealProcessorEx (FFFFFFFE 0331FE00): stub
…
0024:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA07F0, 01E20510, 10, 0,
(null), 3, 3, 00000000, 0
0024:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA07F0
0024:fixme:tbs:Tbsi_GetDeviceInfo (16, 00E3F4A8) stub
0024:fixme:ntdll:get_firmware_info info_class SYSTEM_FIRMWARE_TABLE_INFORMATION
provider 41435049
0024:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA07F0, 01E20560, 10, 0,
(null), 3, 3, 00000000, 0
0024:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA07F0
0058:fixme:mountmgr:query_property Faking StorageDeviceProperty data
0058:fixme:mountmgr:harddisk_ioctl The DISK_PARTITION_INFO and
DISK_DETECTION_INFO structures will not be filled
0024:fixme:wbemprox:enum_class_object_Next timeout not supported
0058:fixme:mountmgr:harddisk_ioctl Unsupported ioctl 74080 (device=7 access=1
func=20 method=0)
0058:fixme:mountmgr:harddisk_ioctl Unsupported ioctl 41018 (device=4 access=0
func=406 method=0)
0058:fixme:mountmgr:query_property Faking StorageDeviceProperty data
…
0058:fixme:mountmgr:harddisk_ioctl Unsupported ioctl 4d004 (device=4 access=3
func=401 method=0)
…
0058:fixme:ndis:query_global_stats Unsupported OID 1010d
0058:fixme:ndis:query_global_stats Unsupported OID 10107
0058:fixme:ndis:query_global_stats Unsupported OID 10202
0058:fixme:ndis:query_global_stats Unsupported OID 10108
0058:fixme:ndis:query_global_stats Unsupported OID 10109
0058:fixme:ndis:query_global_stats Unsupported OID 10110
…
0024:fixme:process:GetFirmwareEnvironmentVariableA stub: ""
"{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}" 00E3BC3C 512
0024:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation SystemCodeIntegrityInformation, size
8, info 0xe3be34, stub!
…
015c:fixme:secur32:get_cipher_algid unknown algorithm 23
015c:fixme:secur32:get_mac_algid unknown algorithm 200, cipher 23
…
016c:err:service:process_send_command service protocol error - failed to write
pipe!

I would like to see more helpful information for my system.
How will the chances evolve to fix remaining open issues?

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

[WineHQ Bugzilla]

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52880

Zeb Figura  changed:

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           Keywords|                            |download
     Ever confirmed|0                           |1

--- Comment #1 from Zeb Figura  ---
What exactly is this bug report about? What information does the software not
provide that you'd like it to provide?

Note that some parts of this software may be difficult or impossible to make
work (e.g. I see it tries to directly read PCI information). I'd recommend
using host tools instead if possible.

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

[WineHQ Bugzilla]

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52880

--- Comment #2 from Markus Elfring  ---
(In reply to Zeb Figura from comment #1)
> What information does the software not provide that you'd like it to provide?

I guess that various system information could not be displayed as expected
because open issues hinder desirable data processing.

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

[WineHQ Bugzilla]

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52880

--- Comment #3 from Zeb Figura  ---
(In reply to Markus Elfring from comment #2)
> (In reply to Zeb Figura from comment #1)
> > What information does the software not provide that you'd like it to provide?
>
> I guess that various system information could not be displayed as expected
> because open issues hinder desirable data processing.

Can you please describe what *specific* information is missing? Different
missing information is likely to have different causes in Wine, and should
probably deserve different bug reports.

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52880

--- Comment #4 from Artem S. Tashkinov  ---
The following bugs are all invalid and can be safely closed.

This is bugzilla, not "I wish to get $1 000 000 because I feel like it".

Namely:

Bug 52878
Bug 52879
Bug 52880
Bug 52881

All these applications cannot provide full information for a simple reason:
they include kernel level drivers which will never work under Wine because

1) Wine is a userspace application (these applications require Administrator
privileges under Windows)
2) Implementing direct RAM/IO access for Wine is an absolute no-go as it
carries a ton of security risks.

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52880

--- Comment #5 from Artem S. Tashkinov  ---
Please avoid treating Wine as a magical application which brings Windows to
Linux.

It does not. It brings selected user level APIs from Windows to Linux.

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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--- Comment #6 from Zeb Figura  ---
I don't see any indication that the applications from bugs 52878 or 52881 use
kernel drivers.

Even if they do, that's not going to be obvious to the end user, so there's no
need to be disparaging.

Also, even if they do, that doesn't mean that parts of the software can't still
work, which is why I asked what specific information the user wanted to be
displayed.

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52880

--- Comment #7 from Markus Elfring  ---
(In reply to Artem S. Tashkinov from comment #5)
> It brings selected user level APIs from Windows to Linux.

I hope that the support for the involved programming interfaces can be improved
further also according to some open issues which are indicated by shown log
messages.
How will development possibilities evolve then together with the observed
software behaviour?

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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--- Comment #8 from Markus Elfring  ---
(In reply to Zeb Figura from comment #6)
> Also, even if they do, that doesn't mean that parts of the software can't still work,

Thanks for such a promising feedback.
> which is why I asked what specific information the user wanted
> to be displayed.

Did anybody (besides me) notice how incomplete the display is so far by
mentioned system information tools?

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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--- Comment #9 from [e-mail] ---
Created attachment 73879
  --> https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=73879
HWiNFO's default view via Hiren's BootCD PE on a desktop Haswell system with
integrated graphics

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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--- Comment #10 from [e-mail] ---
Created attachment 73880
  --> https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=73880
HWiNFO + sensors via Hiren's BootCD PE on a desktop Haswell system with
integrated graphics

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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--- Comment #11 from [e-mail] ---
Created attachment 73881
  --> https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=73881
HWiNFO + sensors via Mint 20.3 Xfce + Wine 8.0rc4 on a desktop Haswell system
with integrated graphics

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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--- Comment #12 from [e-mail] ---
I'm a regular user of HWiNFO, so perhaps I can jump in with example screenshots
that compare how different it looks between Windows and Wine on the same
desktop Haswell hardware with integrated graphics.

For reference, Hiren's BootCD PE live ISO (which works flawlessly when booted
via Ventoy by the way) includes HWiNFO within the "Utilities" folder on the
desktop so, if you're on a dedicated Linux system, then this may be the easiest
way to compare to what HWiNFO looks like on a native Windows OS environment.

It's worth nothing that because Hiren's Boot CD PE could only run at 1024x768
for whatever reason, and the amount of information in HWiNFO when running on
Windows is absolutely immense, I separated the view into two screenshots - one
without sensors displayed (default view) and one showing the sensors.

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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--- Comment #13 from Markus Elfring  ---
(In reply to NM64+bugs.winehq.org from comment #12)
> I'm a regular user of HWiNFO, so perhaps I can jump in with example screenshots
> that compare how different it looks between Windows and Wine on the same desktop …

This is nice.

Would it be better to compare the same software versions (like 7.36) on both
execution environments?

[Bug 52880] Improve software components also for using “HWiNFO”

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--- Comment #14 from [e-mail] ---
(In reply to Markus Elfring from comment #13)
> Would it be better to compare the same software versions (like 7.36) on both
> execution environments?

I considered that but, if anything, I'm giving Wine a better showing since it's
using the newer version than the one bundled with Hiren's.

Nevertheless, one can still download the newest version on Hiren's if they so
desire.

Also I forgot to mention the exact path of the included HWiNFO on Hiren's -
it's located at:

Desktop\Utilities\System Tools\HW Info\

Lastly, just for reference, I might as well include a link to both Hiren's and
Ventoy since not everyone is familiar with either:

Hiren's BootCD PE: https://www.hirensbootcd.org/
Ventoy: https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy

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--- Comment #15 from [e-mail] ---
I opened a bug 54922 which I hope would help the application to expose more
information.